Used to be a document controller for a QA dept. My manager sent me emails to print out for him and then wanted them scanned back into the computer so they were saved as .pdf
I “definitely” didn’t just print to .pdf and sit at my desk most of the day.
Lol. That’s why I kept a recycle bin next to my desk; “empty” it in the AM, “fill it” on my way out. Didn’t waste paper because it was the same scrunched balls.
Lol picturing this is hilarious. Did you just put the same scrunched balls inside a desk drawer and casually play basketball with the balls during the day? 😂
Literally happened at my work place a couple months ago.
Boomer coworker who’s job was basically to order supplies and do the last step of processing accounts so we can bill them retired after like 35 years and bought a house in Arizona to fuck off there. Her job was just split among our phone operator and annual control policy department. What she got paid a lot of money to do for 8 hours a day and complained constantly about the other two people do in a couple hours a week and is easy peasy according to them. Of course they didn’t get a raise, if they had come to me with that I would have declined or quit if they insisted. Fuck that.
You work on computers, they work on people. Part of their job is coding on their bosses for more money, while you write a script to automate something. Hard skills vs. soft skills.
If you want, you could develop those people manipulation coding skills and be twice as valuable as them.
You’re giving some of these people way too much credit. I work IT and I deliberately avoid watching some people whose job it is to use a computer use a computer. Any deviation from the norm and they are lost. ANY deviation. I’ve seen people get confused when a box opens up in a different spot. I completely understand that everyone has different skill sets but some people have not progressed very far into their skill tree.
Some of them, sure. Usually old people that ran out of neuroplasticity 40 years ago. But there are a lot more that function well enough and IT guys (specifically the guys, IT gals usually either have a better idea or hide it better) have a tendency to think of them as useless, where if they had to do their job for a day they’d be as lost as an old guy spooked by the window location change.
Like, all the places I’ve done IT were engineering offices and stuff, where me trying to do the job would get people killes, but most people’s jobs, especially above a certain point on the pay scale, are genuinely fucking useless. They do nothing, stuff would function fine without them; maybe better.
Ms365, onedrive, and teams integration makes me feel like the PDF saver.
I’m fucking smart and I crush my job, but the way they’ve “integrated” all of their dumb services has me asking my team to “just send me a $&@$ing email with the pdf”.
My job isn’t MS office guru. My job involves using PPTs, docs, XLS, etc to get funding, effect strategy, guide investment, brief senior leadeahip, and all that. But holy shit I feel like I turn into a clown/Luddite with dumb MS office tools.
I fought the fight for many years. LibreOffice, nextcloud, etcetera.
A couple of years ago I just got sick of it. I wanted “it just works” solutions for everything or at least to simply be able to say “IDK why it’s not working” when something breaks.
At that time it felt like Microsoft had turned the corner and were maybe on a trajectory towards something less evil than google for example.
Now just a few years later I feel like they’re worse than ever. I switched back to debian as a daily driver a few months ago.
That’s yeah. … Bigger corps have people specifically organising the SharePoint (amongst other responsibilities). Tbh I don’t think that’s all too strange, I used to spend a couple of hours every other month sorting my personal files.
I work in software development, I understand websites, webservices and the backend it all runs on at a pretty deep level.
But I never owned an Apple device. So whenever my wife (iMac user) has a problem and I try to help, I struggle with all the basic shit. I don’t know the interface, don’t know the menu structure, don’t have muscle memory for basic key bindings (like copy paste).
Same with my parents, a few years ago my dad gave my mom his old iphone, didn’t do any factory reset etc. She used logged out his apple id and logged in hers. But the apps he installed refused to update, very little information from the device about the problem. They don’t know you shouldn’t do this and just give me the phone and say apps don’t update. It took me a while to figure out what the hell was even going on.
I just refuse to help with Apple stuff. My family knows my disdain, if you’re on apple and can’t figure something out, you made your bed now you lie in it lol
Me watching some guy think his salary is worth more than someone who does and knows things completely different from them just because they know how to save as a pdf
“me watching a senior dev who makes more than me try to brief senior leadership”
We all have our talents. Some stuff is “table stakes” baseline stuff, but with the way MS has bungled their software these days I’ll never judge anyone for not knowing how to do something “simple” because MS has made most tasks infuriatingly difficult.
The main issue I had was that it’s dismissive of all other talents the person likely has to have gotten this far. Obviously sociopath c-levels are just there because they’re soulless, but this meme wasn’t talking about those people shrug
There are legitimately situations where a meritless person is mooching off of an organization because of corruption (e.g. cronyism, nepotism, abusing union). And then there are situations where a person appears completely incompetent, but has this one unique skill or asset that makes them absolutely invaluable to the company (e.g. savant, schmoozer, someone with connections). It’s important to be able to tell them apart.
So many people in IT don’t understand this. I’m glad I did a lot of customer service while programming was still just a hobby.
Developing the product or supporting the product dev team in some way (tech support, project managers, etc) is great, but if the company doesn’t have people to schmooze other people to give them money, your product doesn’t have much financial value.
No. Not in this day and age. The totality of human knowledge fits in your pocket and if you’re too fucking stupid or lazy to figure out how to use that device to learn something that any 12-year-old can do, you instantly lose my respect. And if your name isn’t on the building, or on the floor, if there isn’t a picture of you in the foyer, then you also go to the bottom of my priority list.
I can’t speak for any individual, but let’s draw up a theoretical scenario:
You’re the world’s highest contributing cancer researcher, responsible for breakthrough after breakthrough. You’re 80 years old and you want to retire next year. You earn $1 million a year. in order to collaborate with other researchers, specialized piece of software must be used. Given you’re brilliant, you could certainly take a training course and learn it in eight hours - $4000 worth of your time. Instead you scan your paper notebooks and send the copies to an intern who spends an hour a week transferring the data into the software. If the intern is paid $50 an hour, cost savings are $1500 over the year. more cancer research gets done.
Highly specialized people who can learn everything and do have access to all necessary tools are not necessarily idiots for evaluating and deciding to make certain trade offs. recommend looking into opportunity cost.
Obviously I have only seen discussion on what I’ve seen, but I respectfully disagree. This is a very pro realistic minimum wage, a very pro reduce diff between highest and lowest site in my experience.
Eh. Just recently I’ve seen a lot of people talk down upon like… manual laborers, tradespeople, etc.
Without being too cynical, I think this website has a lot of people who like to ‘roleplay’ as being leftist, but then when you get into any specific policy points everyone suddenly goes “well I think people should be paid more… but obviously laborers shouldn’t make as much money as people like… oh, I don’t know… middle manager data analysts” and then you look at their history and they’re like “as a middle manager data analyst…”.
Its a very “communism is when I make more money and maybe some other people can make more too as long as it’s not as much as me” approach to progressivism
The parable of the blind men and an elephant is a story of a group of blind men who have never come across an elephant before and who learn and imagine what the elephant is like by touching it. Each blind man feels a different part of the animal’s body, but only one part, such as the side or the tusk. They then describe the animal based on their limited experience and their descriptions of the elephant are different from each other. In some versions, they come to suspect that the other person is dishonest and they come to blows. The moral of the parable is that humans have a tendency to claim absolute truth based on their limited, subjective experience as they ignore other people’s limited, subjective experiences which may be equally true.
No need to fight, I think both experiences are fine. I would just maintain that what might “appear” to be people invested in progressive, workers rights type issues, perhaps might not actually commit to those actions if it meant any meaningful sacrifice or change to themselves.
To break the parable a bit, imagine a lion that can somehow contort itself to feel like a housecat. A lot of people can touch it and say “hmm… feels like a nice little cat” - but someone who has had his arm chomped on by the lion knows there’s more beneath the surface
To the best of my recollection (and observation skills), I simply have not seen any of that kind of dog whistling, in a way, the ‘progressivism for me, not for thee’ / anti-laborer slant.
I didn’t know about that. At my company, the head of HR (3.5x average salary) recently told everyone, “If you want a higher salary, go work at [rival company].” This was onstage in front of ~150 people.
It’s true though. Your salary range is determined at the initial negotiations. After that, your salary will only rise with a few percentages. For a real raise, its best to have a new initial negotiation (and shoot for the stars), wheter at a new company, a new department or a new function.
This becomes truer with each passing day, and is a big factor as to why young people job hop so often - if their talents aren’t being adequately remunerated the only redress they have is to find a better job with better pay. It seems strange to me that experience within a company and your tenure of service are no longer being rewarded, but perhaps that’s just another expression of how commodified our labour has become.
I once met a guy who made at least 20 times what I make and didn’t know how to spell dolphin. He was a bit better than me at trading commodities though.
trading commodities is truly the most important skill to making society function, god only knows how we’d survive without people who make bets with other people’s money
I don’t know which God you’re referencing but your genetics is programmed with planned obsolescence. You will die one day. There are only so many monthly tributes to your landed lord before you are free for the first time.
Did he ask if the tuna you were having for lunch was dollfin safe? I’m guessing he wasn’t informing you about anything like “dolphins pass puffer fish to get high” or “dolphins sexually assault other dolphins“.
One of my first jobs, anytime I needed an administrator password I had to get the manager. And I was tasked with updating Adobe Reader and Flash on each workstation, and she would stand there to type in the password as I went to each computer. (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
The fact that you had to update software manually on each computer speaks volumes about how bad that company was being run. Sccm has existed since the mid 90s.
This happens at my job a lot lol I’ll need to do something that I don’t have authorization to do so I have to ask a manager, they have no idea what the policy is, why I’m asking them about it, or how to actually do any of it. They end up just doing a screen share and letting me make the change from their system
The weakest part of any security system are the people … your security is only as good as the people who use the system.
I don’t work in any corporate systems but I know many people who work in factories, mines, government, hospitals, institutions who should all know or at least be aware of the most basic digital security measures … yet the majority of their passwords for everything is still 12345678 … a good number of them also share personal emails with their name and birth year on it.
Almost all of them either have never heard of or just don’t like using two factor authentication.
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