Hospital workers confessed to concealing weapons in incubators in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU), a space intended for treating premature babies.
In any hospital an MRI machine is used all day. Any hospital comes as close to using every piece of equipment constantly as often as it can, even overbooking patients before being willing to invest in an additional piece of equipment.
Do you believe that MRI sat idle for months so they could stockpile weapons? Did the hospital as a whole agree to store weapons instead of accepting the sick?
Would you casually allow any local terrorist cell to stockpile weapons in a room at your place of work without saying something? Even if you would, would every single coworker do the same?
Almost any specialty in a hospital may have a reason to recommend an MRI, so it’s not like this would be a closely guarded secret. The entire hospital would know fairly quickly that the room is unavailable. What any practical person knows that any conspiracy theorist overlooks is how hard it is to keep a lid on a secret, especially as you keep adding people. Hell, they couldn’t even keep a lid on GTA VI.
It seems unlikely to me that Hamas would have deployed Manhattan-Project-level counterintelligence work so that they could hide some guns in an MRI machine's room, instead of maybe just stashing them in a broom closet down the hall.
It's possible, sure. But this is my opinion on its likelihood and that sounds reasonably grounded to me.
An alternative explanation that seems more likely to me is that the IDF really wanted to be able to publish some photos that indicated that Hamas was using hospitals as armories, and so they propped some guns up next to a highly recognizable piece of medical equipment found only in hospitals so they could get those photos. Maybe the guns were taken from the broom closet down the hall, maybe they weren't, I don't have any basis for an opinion on that part. The rest seems most plausible to me in the meantime.
You're presuming that the weapons got stashed there while it was still in use, which has not been established. The weapons were in a bag behind the MRI machine, not in it. Here's the video.
Yeah, you really got me there. There’s no way things would have been able to react to the MRI machine because they’re in a goddamn bag.
If you don’t understand science that’s fine, but please show your way out of the conversation and let people who want to have an actual discussion participate.
Care to explain to me why the metal objects they are rifling through the bag aren't flying into the MRI machine then?
Turning off the Magnet Is the magnetic field turned on and off between patients?
Resistive electromagnet scanners, in theory, can be turned on and off. However, it may take 30-60 minutes for their magnetic fields to stabilize after being off and hence they are generally left continuously on during daily operations. To save electricity, they are usually turned off or have their power levels reduced after hours. https://mriquestions.com/is-field-ever-turned-off.html
If you don't understand how MRI machines work that's fine, but please show your way out of the conversation and let people who want to have an actual discussion participate.
Um. You proved me right and have therefore suggested for me that this was staged. Congratulations?
The MRI magnet is ALWAYS on. This means no person is allowed to enter the MRI scan room without clearance and permission from a certified technologist. Metallic objects (such as fingernail clippers, pocket knives and even pens) can lead to serious bodily injury if brought within the magnetic field.
Lol, you linked a different hospital's rules regarding MRIs, which are that way because under normal circumstances it never shuts off. I linked you a page that shows that there are three types of MRIs, and one of them can in fact turn off its magnetic field. Now, I haven't established if that's the kind that they use in Al-Shifa, but it's quite possible. At very least the fact that it's off means there is no moving magnetic field and depending on where the magnet is, it may be totally possible to stash a bag there without negative consequences. Different machines use different magnetic strengths. The fact that the metal items in the bag aren't being affected makes your theory not very compelling and seems to be proof that this is possible.
Do you know MRI machines are used constantly and so they’d have to keep moving the guns and grenades in and out of the room all day every day? It literally makes zero sense logistically to store them there because you can’t LEAVE them there.
They can also force confessions of terrorism! Pretty bold headline that’s parroting IDF propaganda, if you ask me. Wouldn’t say this article belongs in a news community.
Who will save the Palestinian population from Hamas, that setup military cells in civil buildings, schools and hospitals?
Did anyone tried to save them?
Did anyone succeed saving them?
By the current ongoing IDF revelations, since Israel disengaged from Gaza (2005) as an attempt to give Palestinians independence, there was ongoing terror prosper, not Palestinians prosper, but terror prosper.
Funny how the anti-Israel crowd moves the goal posts from there is no evidence to, this is IDF propaganda and can't be trusted. I guess the footage they released of Hamas tunnels was also faked? The footage of belligerents shooting from the hospital too?
It’s true that I don’t trust the IDF here, just as I wouldn’t trust the SS in WWII. If you think that’s farfetched, then I will hope you come to your senses.
Lol gotta love these deflections and whataboutisms. I always wonder if you lot are deliberately deflecting, or if you’re just incapable of engaging in any meaningful way.
Incorrect. I challenge you to scour my post and comment history for any mention of Hamas or anything that would justify you asking such a question. (I’ll save you some time – you won’t find it.)
The point was that the IDF made a big deal in the opening days about how they had found forty decapitated babies, and used that as proof of how bad Hamas was.
That was the one where they went too far and everybody started wanting proof of so outlandish a claim.
I really wish I could find the video where the IDF guy say something like” we know we have lied in the past but this time it is different.”
Those babies are where people started doubting them and looking at everything so clearly
On one of those videos that the Israeli soldiers filmed themselves and then posted (because they don't think they've done anything wrong), there's one where they're singing a song about attacking their enemies and one of the lyrics was something to the effect of "there are no civilians" among the Palestinians.
Of course, if the Israelis think that there are no Palestinian civilians, that means that every Palestinian is an enemy soldier, and therefore a legitimate target. :/
Those soldiers went in after the bombings. You're inaccurately implying that they should have gone in without air support, which would have caused massive casualties to their side.
In war, yes, it should be unsurprising that one's own forces are considered more important to protect than enemy forces, or civilians from a hostile nation.
I edited my comment to be more clear and concise, but you replied too soon, I had a feeling you'd interpret that phrase in the least charitable way possible.
Civilians from a hostile nation is more accurate, although widespread public support of intifada doesn't mean you're entirely wrong. Despite this, israel is still choosing military targets, unlike their opponent.
Gaza is not an enemy nation. It is not even a nation. This is supposed to be a war between Israel and Hamas. Not Israel and the Palestinian people. You are still saying all those children’s deaths were justified.
a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
Sounds like a nation to me.
Hamas is the government of Gaza.
When one's government goes to war, the people who live under it are subjected to the consequences. This is how war works.
It's terrible, it's tragic, it's unfortunate, but yes it's justified provided these deaths are collateral damage when attacking valid military targets, as it seems they are.
What is not justifiable is using them as human shields and hiding among them. This is what caused these deaths: Hamas murdering Israeli civilians while hiding behind the children of their own nation.
Why Palestinians don't have more outrage for Hamas than they do for the IDF is beyond me.
I see, so you totally believe the IDF’s claim that these 90 men were terrorists, but the UN is definitely incredibly biased and because it happened 10 years ago, it doesn’t count.
I never said it didn't count, but I would say it's not terribly relevant to the Israel Hamas war that's going on right now, and has not caused comparable deaths even if true. It just seems like an attempt at false equivalency between Hamas and IDF.
While it's good to be skeptical, the IDF is far more credible than their opponents or their detractors. They could still be lying but I'm not going to presume they are without evidence.
The fact that they present video evidence to support their claims, that they have so much scrutiny upon them, that most of the disputed claims they make end up being verified, and because frankly in this conflict I consider them the good guys. After watching October 7th footage, I believe Hamas earned what it's getting.
I'm certainly not going to readily believe the perpetual aggressor who pretends they are a victim as soon as they get counter attacked, who hides among civilians, openly commits war crimes, advocates for genocide, performs acts of terrorism, committed ethnic cleansing, oppresses women and lgbt people, while falsely screaming that Israel is doing the same to them like a boy crying wolf.
Are you referring to the incident from 10 years ago? If there's a video and solid evidence of this war crime, I hope the one responsible got punished, but again, I don't see why this is terribly relevant to the war going on right now.
It also should be acknowledged that there's a difference between official idf policy and what soldiers do. I'm fairly confident that in any armed forces one will find unacceptable behavior if they look hard enough. Hamas' atrocities are official policy and strategy.
Amazing how you will excuse the IDF of any awful thing they do. Kill thousands of kids- acceptable losses. Use human shields- the IDF didn’t do it, individual soldiers did.
Asked by CNN about the videos, the Israel Defense Forces did not dispute their veracity, location or that IDF soldiers were involved. It condemned the soldiers’ behavior, which it said does not align with its rules, adding that the perpetrators will be punished.
It's against their rules and they're going to be punished for it, so it's unclear to me why you cited this. This is clearly not IDF policy.
It seems like you're trying really hard to establish false equivalency. It's clear to me that although it has its faults, IDF is nothing like Hamas.
It's amazing how you will condemn the IDF for actions that most other militaries in the world would also do if in their position.
Most definitely! They tried to cover up the murder of Shireen Abu Akleh and once their lies were revealed, they refused to punish the soldier responsible. I consider that to be pretty abhorrent.
That doesn’t answer either question. Even if they found a cache of weapons and vests, that doesn’t mean the people they have arrested were the ones responsible for hiding them. Giving them to the people to hold to “prove” they are terrorists is just theater. I’m sure you know that the IDF is perfectly capable of putting rifles in people’s hands.
I’m sure you know that the IDF is perfectly capable of putting rifles in people’s hands
Well I’m in contrary, not sure, and this statement remains false until you prove this statement regarding this article, with a reliable source, otherwise.
Do you really think the IDF would allow them to walk out of that compound with loaded rifles in their hands? Or do you think it’s much more likely that the IDF unloaded all of those rifles, if they were ever loaded in the first place, gave them to the men, and then had them walk out?
Because the IDF are really fucking stupid if it’s the former.
While I generally agree with you, I do need to point out that those rifles are unloaded and it is common for enemy combatants to be forced to carry their non-combat-functional equipment this way as a method of capturing equipment.
It’s not my job to prove the article is wrong. The article makes the claim and fails to prove the claim. I do not have to prove anyone is telling a lie. It’s not my job.
Anyway, I never said the article was wrong. I asked questions- questions you have not even attempted to answer.
Oh, so these people speaking arabic cutting the womb of the mother and stabbing the baby while it’s still alive are also IDF. Who would have thought. Good thing you straightened that up for all of us. It seems Israel really had to come up with a reason to go against Hamas, since the rest of the claims are fake.
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