Zedstrian,

If we’re to have any chance at convincing more Reddit users to join the Fediverse, the main Lemmy and Kbin instances need to stick together. While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn’t make for great optics (having a greater variety of communities above the 50k user mark would help bring more users to Lemmy), a fragmented federation only helps Reddit. Beyond that, this community has rules in place to ensure that posts stick to the discussion of piracy, and not piracy itself.

Alsephina, (edited )

Nah I wouldn’t want Lemmy to attract anti-piracy bootlickers (specially considering why we left Reddit for Lemmy in the first place). This being the largest community is a good filter imo.

RobotToaster,
@RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

Defederation really should be last resort, a lot of admin use it as a first one. (Even dbzer0 censors 187 instances)

kbal, (edited )
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

The vast majority of those (on the dbzer0 list) are obviously just copied from someone's medium-sized mastodon blocklist, which in this case mostly includes instances that definitely deserve it. I recognize only a few dubious choices in there, and none that are completely indefensible.

db0,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The instances in our blocklist are based on the fediseer. It’s mostly CSAM, Bigoted and potentiall spam instances.

kbal,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

The current fediseer censured list seems much larger and correspondingly more problematic in places. You've started out with a good list, hope you exercise due caution in adding to it.

db0,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The fediseer censure list is relative to which instances you’re referencing. There’s no absolute “fediseer censure list”

kbal,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

Yeah, sorry, I've never really looked at it before. But its web UI just shows them all as one big list. I wouldn't mind seeing a list of those censured by more than 10 instances, or all of a selected group of instances... is that in the API?

db0, (edited )
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yes you can do that in the API, as well as filter by tags. You can also select your instance references on the UI

aaaaaaadjsf,
@aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net avatar

While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn’t make for great optics

I’d argue otherwise. It is great optics to have a thriving piracy community. It keeps the corporate boot lickers out, and attracts the kind of crowd that we should want on Lemmy.

Zedstrian,

While it’s great to have a thriving piracy community, it being one of the only thriving ones inevitably makes potential users associate the platform with it and convinces them to either choose another Reddit alternative or simply avoid the inconvenience of switching platforms. While we may disagree with them, the failure of the Reddit blackout demonstrated that they make up the lion’s share of users from large communities that have yet to materialize here. Better to have many communities with a diversity of opinions than only a handful of echo chambers.

flan,
@flan@hexbear.net avatar

who cares?

Zedstrian,

For me it’s about all the subreddits that didn’t migrate to Lemmy, and the ghost town feeling caused by only having 55,000 monthly users versus Reddit’s 850 million. With Lemmy’s active user count slowly dropping instead of rising, everything needs to be done to bring more redditors to Lemmy, whether they are supporters of piracy or not.

Gork,

Yeah. Lemmy’s entire population is about as large as some of the smaller gaming subreddits. Even /r/mildyinteresting has over 200k subscribers (4x as big as Lemmy), and that subreddit is a misspelling of /r/mildlyinteresting.

flan,
@flan@hexbear.net avatar

before there was reddit there were message boards and these message boards tended to be pretty small and niche. They would have low thousands of users, if that. I don’t think having low user counts is something to be afraid of - especially for sites run and paid for by volunteers.

Zedstrian, (edited )

Message boards like that have dedicated userbases for their subject matter though, something that is missing on Lemmy for most subject matters. Since I’d like to be on Lemmy for more than just, for my interests at least, a piracy message board, more users are needed to build interest in communities that weren’t promoted by a subreddit.

Kichae,

But a federation is fragmentation. If the only thing that doesn’t help reddit is another centralized system, then that’s really just a claim that private ownership of the internet is good, actually, so long as we like the owners.

ReveredOxygen,
@ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works avatar

I assume they mean more like what’s happening on Mastodon, where instances mass defederate other instances for not having the same instances defederated

5714,

A disunited federation is still a federation.

AFAIK, lemmy.world cannot remove !piracy (but block this community or instance), because lemmy.world is another instance.

Pirates interested in this communities will find a way to lurk or participate.

rar,

Sigh. At least the benefits of federation include being free to move into other instances while LW can pull stuff like this (probably because they get the heat from being the largest instance).

CARCOSA,
@CARCOSA@hexbear.net avatar

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  • Danterious, (edited )

    Yeah this admin is only 1 month old. So it does seem likely that they weren’t around for the last outrage.

    CloutAtlas,

    It’s Spez’s Lemmy account.

    jackmarxist,
    @jackmarxist@hexbear.net avatar

    Lemmy.world is the stupidest instance around

    Texas_Hangover,

    I don’t know, at least its not stuffed up to its assrim with Marxist filth.

    Arelin, (edited )

    Instead it’s filled with zionazi and anti-piracy filth.

    I prefer my filth Marxist and materialist flavoured thank you very much.

    Urist,
    @Urist@lemmy.ml avatar
    Simon,

    I mean, I like my Marxist content to be good and not filth. Maybe that’s what he meant.

    Fitik,

    Says lemm.ee user lmao

    beardown,

    What’s wrong with lemm.ee?

    Alsephina,

    Probably just using Texas_Hangover’s lack of logic against them

    egonallanon,

    Well where the hell else are we supposed to store our Marxist filth?

    drwankingstein,

    only to the begging of the rim

    Ignacio,
    Ignacio avatar

    Indeed. In my opinion, it's called lemmy.world but it's too US centric to have the .world domain.

    lemmesay,
    @lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    classic US

    Omega_Haxors,

    Working with the 3-letters has its disadvantages, HA!

    RobotToaster,
    @RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

    Glowies

    MalReynolds,
    @MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

    WTF is a glowie?

    owen,

    It refers to how obvious undercover agents can be in online forums. So obvious that they glow

    MalReynolds,
    @MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

    Ta.

    andrew_bidlaw,

    A paranoidal schizophrenic and a single dev of Temple OS thought thar he’s watched and messed with by federal agencies. He knew, because he could see a glowing aura around them undercover agents. After his ramblings about it, 4chan boards users who watched his streams as a lolcow (a person of interest who can be milked for lulz) took this slang term from him. Then it spread everywhere.

    Down the Rabbit Hole episode about him and his slow sad demise: youtu.be/UCgoxQCf5Jg?si=JlPs70O5gQCvau2z

    MalReynolds,
    @MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

    Ta.

    RobotToaster,
    @RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

    The CIA got him in the end.

    empireOfLove2,
    @empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    average lemmy.world moment

    being the biggest has it’s problems

    Amir,
    @Amir@lemmy.ml avatar

    its

    5714,

    of itself

    lemann,

    Sigh.

    On the up side, if anyone wants in, they are free to create accounts on other instances

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@dormi.zone avatar

    Indeed, especially with 0.19 that allows you to migrate your subs and block lists in two clicks

    Gort,
    @Gort@lemm.ee avatar

    Wish that was around when I moved from lemmy.world to lemm.ee some time ago. It would have saved me a bit of time. Nice that it’s there for the future, though.

    Danterious, (edited )

    The part that annoys me is that this was done silently even though last time they said they would ask their users. Hopefully it was just an admin that didn’t get the last memo.

    Edit: the community -> their users

    rar,

    I suspect something involving law enforcement or legal. Still would love if LW admins updated on this.

    zcd,

    Any good pro piracy instances?

    lemann,

    Yepp - the one this community is on 🏴‍☠️

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