ct_bergstrom,
@ct_bergstrom@fediscience.org avatar

“countless professors, when asked to perform a peer review for a journal, fob the work off to their hapless grad students”

Having been through the fact-checking process at the Times repeatedly, I can’t understand how nonsense like this gets through.

I can only speculate the perhaps these days their fact-checkers fob the work off to hapless interns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/04/opinion/plagiarism-academia-claudine-gay.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

ct_bergstrom,
@ct_bergstrom@fediscience.org avatar

To be fair to Seife, it is getting harder and harder to find sufficiently qualified scholars who are willing to review scholarly papers, and as this becomes more difficult the quality of peer review is probably declining.

I'm just tired of the Times misrepresenting the peer review process.

donaldcclarke,

@ct_bergstrom Did you read the linked report in the NYT piece? I’ve never done this or heard of it, nor apparently have you, but the linked report suggests the author isn’t just making it up.

ct_bergstrom,
@ct_bergstrom@fediscience.org avatar

@donaldcclarke Interesting. The link seems to be a subsequent addition, presumably in response to criticism. It was not there in the version I read. I'll take a look.

jaybaltz,
@jaybaltz@mas.to avatar

@ct_bergstrom I’m an editor on an academic journal. I assign reviewers. That has literally never happened on a single one of the manuscripts I’ve overseen.

li5a,
@li5a@chaos.social avatar

@jaybaltz @ct_bergstrom not trying to be confrontational, I’m genuinely curious: how did you determine that none of the reviews you got back were done by grad students?

jaybaltz,
@jaybaltz@mas.to avatar

@li5a @ct_bergstrom I generally know who I’m assigning. Also, they have to sign that they haven’t shared it with anyone else, or if they discussed it, they have to say with whom. They are permitted to share reviews with postdoctoral fellows (not students), but it would be fraudulent not to specify that. 1/2

jaybaltz,
@jaybaltz@mas.to avatar

@li5a @ct_bergstrom We get occasional reviews that aren’t very good. But those are usually cursory. When a trainee does a review of something, then telltale sign is usually that it’s too detailed and overly picky, focusing on details instead of an overall assessment . So I’m pretty sure grad students aren’t behind any of the reviews I’ve gotten. 2/2

ct_bergstrom,
@ct_bergstrom@fediscience.org avatar

@li5a @jaybaltz Yeah, that is for sure.

trs,
@trs@metasocial.com avatar

@ct_bergstrom are the op-eds fact-checked at all?

ct_bergstrom,
@ct_bergstrom@fediscience.org avatar

@trs Mine have been ruthlessly fact-checked, even around propositions that I thought were glaringly obvious.

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