tomjennings,
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What kind of communication scheme for phones without mobile network service might we come up with? There's bluetooth and wifi. Would need to be store-and-forward. Address-less.

Why don't we have one? Doesn't have to be so damn chatty. "Here's that song/document I mentioned" (transfer). Bump, face to face auth. No more, no less.

tomjennings,
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Here's what I've been thinking is eminently doable. Set aside all assumptions about the (social commercial whatever) needs requirements and such. Its a thought experiment, partly, about how we might use phones without mobile data networks.

Short range -- face to face or dozen feet. Specifically limited range. No intent or utility in long range here.

Assume wifi or BT radio.

A phone app that contains a public key pair (public, private) and a name/handle that's public (or nul).

App can ping/listen continuously, or only on a touch/tap. When so enacted, displays public names of others of itself in range.

  • I have a file for you.
  • OK thanks.

Recipient bumps phones, taps, etc otherwise humanly accepting receipt of file.

Nice and dumb. That's the basic mechanism. But there's more!

REPOSITORY: a feature with dials, including off, max file size or count, whatever.

You can turn on repository on your phone app, and accept files for others-not-you-or-friend (limits on size count, or none). When you meet a friend and xfer file(s), you can optionally take on further delivery as a favor.

Files can have ICMP like TTL and timestamps; undelivered for 30 days, dropped.

So your phone can be silent and only exchange upon manual act, or be promiscuous and act as a public gateway walking down the sidewalk, or in between.

Put "big" repositories, public and large, in common places. Promiscuous or not, etc. Stand near one, press a button -- files for me? -- or upload, or is done automatically if you've set up that way -- and walk away.

Nothing here requires any new tech, it's all old boring shit.

I think. Can BT be used without OS requirements for pairing?

ParadeGrotesque,
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@tomjennings

I think Bluetooth requires pairing, yes.

What you described sounds very much like Apple AirDrop, but I am not sure what it uses.

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@tomjennings it's baffling that this kind of thing hasn't been implemented properly on any mobile phone that i've seen. apple added "NameDrop" via nfc in some recent update - but it's limited to sharing Contacts - and how the hell did that take 15 years to make?

tomjennings,
@tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org avatar

@vga256

It is totally baffling.

What's depressing about this is that us users of foans aren't DEMANDING phone to phone transfer ability.

When we need it it won't be there.

vga256,
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@tomjennings it reminds me of something i learned from watching that Blackberry movie a few months ago - "we're not interested in selling minutes to people anymore. we sell data to them now."

it would be fun to make the concept of "limited data" commercially meaningless for these providers.

pheller,

@vga256 @tomjennings there is an IEEE paper on applications of delay-tolerant networking to smartphones here https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5483772 (login required)

vga256,
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

@pheller @tomjennings interesting. libgen link for the article here:

http://libgen.is/scimag/10.1109%2FISWPC.2010.5483772

will give this a read

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