evanprodromou,

During World War I, the Ottoman Empire collectively blamed the millions of Armenians in their territory for attacks by Armenian resistance fighters. Around 1M non-combatants were killed by the Ottoman military — in many cases, by forced marches through the Syrian desert without food and water.

Denouncing this genocide doesn’t make you an Armenian resistance fighter or an advocate for their views. It just means you’re against genocide.

In 1994, in the wake of the Rwandan civil war, the president of Rwanda was killed. Military and government officials suspected the Tutsi-aligned Rwandan Patriotic Front and blamed the Tutsi and Twa people collectively. They organized the mass killing of Tutsi people; between 500,000 and 1M people were killed in the following three months.

Abhoring this murder doesn’t make you a partisan of the Rwandan Patriotic Front. It just means you’re a human, opposed to the systematic slaughter of humans.

On October 7 2023, Hamas’s military wing attacked and killed about 550 Israeli soldiers and as many Israeli civilians. They kidnapped, tortured and raped hundreds more. In response, Israel has denied food, water and medical supplies to the 2.3M people of Gaza, driven them from their homes to a tiny sliver of land near the Egyptian border, destroyed half of all residential buildings, killed 30,000 people and seriously injured 60,000 more. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has called this action a plausible genocide.

Wanting this genocide to end with an immediate ceasefire doesn’t mean you support Hamas or want Israel to be destroyed. It means you’re opposed to mass killing and expulsion of people from their homeland.

Is it exactly the same as these other examples? Absolutely not. Genocide never is. But you can be on the side of humanity against the destruction of the people of Gaza and it doesn’t make you an advocate for the views or actions of Hamas.

https://evanp.me/2024/02/04/taking-sides-in-a-genocide/

Extra_Special_Carbon,
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@evanprodromou In none of the previous cases, were the murderers building bunkers under hospitals to maximize civilian casualties. The case against Israel is in the West Bank, not Gaza.

barubary,

@Extra_Special_Carbon How does building bunkers create casualties?

Extra_Special_Carbon,
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@barubary Under hospitals? It’s a key part of the statement, we know why you left it out.

Is there a defensive reason to build bunkers under hospitals?

barubary,

@Extra_Special_Carbon OK, how does building bunkers under hospitals create casualties?

Extra_Special_Carbon,
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@barubary No, you first. Why fid they build a bunker under a hospital?

barubary,

@Extra_Special_Carbon I have no idea. Why are you asking me?

(Also, I asked first, and my question is not about Hamas or Israel, but about something you said.)

Extra_Special_Carbon,
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@barubary I’m asking, because that’s the answer to your question.

You’ll dance in logical circles to justify anything Hamas does, that’s why we say you support Hanas.

barubary,

@Extra_Special_Carbon So far I haven't supported a single thing Hamas does, let alone everything Hamas does. My question was strictly about clarifying what exactly you're trying to say, i.e. the structure of your argument.

If you're unwilling to discuss that, I can just say "oh, so you support genocide" and we're done here.

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