fullfathomfive,
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jk rowling: there are only four types of people in the world - smart, brave, evil and miscellaneous. a magic hat tells you which one you are when you are 11 years old, and it will never change

harry potter fan: omg i'm such a miscellaneous

fullfathomfive,
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benroyce,
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@fullfathomfive

"What about Ender's Game? By Orson Scott Card?"

Oh I'm sorry kid, I never heard of that."

"Here try this one: Light from Uncommon Stars by Ryka Aoki"

j_bertolotti,
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@benroyce
As much as I liked Ender's Game, it was not exactly full of people treated decently.
@fullfathomfive

benroyce,
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@j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive

true

and specifically: orson scott card is a vile homophobic and racist bigot

JosjeT,

@benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive All this name calling is unnecessary.

benroyce,
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@JosjeT @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive

hello my friend

there is no name calling

merely an objective description of well established behavior and statements

orson scott card is a vile homophobic and racist bigot

JosjeT,

@benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive What's in a name? Labeling opinions is not the same as labeling people.

benroyce,
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@JosjeT @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive

so let me help you out here my friend

if you say homophobic statements, proudly and openly for years, you are a homophobe

that's just the simple objective truth

and?

why does accepting this fact bother you?

JosjeT,

@benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive If you have dismissed someone as a person, you stop listening. That's why.

benroyce,
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@JosjeT @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive

now we get to the delicious irony in your empty denial of the obvious

orson scott card is dismissing homosexuals as people, and does not listen to them. orson scott card denies homosexuals their humanity

for doing that, he is the problem here, not people accurately pointing out that he is the problem

you can't go through life shouting "no, u!"

sometimes you need to accept painful truths you do not like

_ohcoco_,
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@benroyce Always fun to watch one of these happen in real time ;o)

Pick a sticker! >>>

https://dan.mastohon.com/@danhon/111925461009889302

@JosjeT @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive

benroyce,
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@_ohcoco_ @JosjeT @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive

if someone is an odious troll, you just block them. but the ones that strut obliviously to open conflict armed with such weakness on the obvious, you have a little fun with their radioactive cluelessness

JosjeT,

@_ohcoco_ @benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive Bigot, block, troll. O the times when I was unaware of the newspeak meaning of these words.

Carnivius,
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@fullfathomfive And/or the works of Ursula K. Le Guin who is a far better role model for female fantasy writer than Rowling will ever be. And was both progressive as heck, AND still open minded enough to evolve ever further over the years.

Pratchett and Le Guin absolutely beat the crud out of Rowling's derivative wizard school (heck, even the name Harry Potter was used before her. In 1986 movie Troll. Which was also about magic & had Harry Potter Sr & Jr).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_K._Le_Guin

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zdl,
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@fullfathomfive I wish I could like Discworld, but ... every time I try to read one I come away cold. It's just not my jam. 😕

Thankfully Harry Potter was also never my jam! 🥳

ColinTheMathmo,
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@zdl I won't try to change your mind, so don't panic! Can you remember which ones you've tried? Perhaps there's a disconnect between you and the contexts, and that would help me (and others) get a handle on why this is the reaction some people have.

Thanks.

CC: @fullfathomfive

zdl,
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@ColinTheMathmo @fullfathomfive The first one is easy to remember since I think it's the first one published: The Colour of Magic.

The second one is harder: someone suggested I read one of the later books because they're better. Witches? Is that a novel? This was in the '90s.

ColinTheMathmo,
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@zdl Yeah, it's reasonable to assume Colour of Magic is a good starting place because it's the one that got published "On Merit", but it's really not a good one. It improves once you've read other things by TP and see his "voice" at the beginning.

And I don't much like any of the Witches series ... you might be thinking of "Witches Abroad".

My personal favourite is "Guards! Guards!", but again, it's fairly early. You might get along better with the "Industrial Revolution" series, such as the one where they invent an early version of the internet, or where they revive the Postal Service.

If you fancy giving it another go, you can try this quiz:

https://www.discworldemporium.com/quiz/

I really, really enjoy reading Pratchett, but there is a huge spread, and sometimes it just takes the right one to get into the swing of it all.

Let me know if you'd like to give it another try ... happy to chat about the pros and cons, swings and roundabouts, ins and outs, and whatnot.

http://pratchett-fun.pl/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Discworld_Reading_Order_Guide_3.0_cropped-1013x1024.jpg

But also, feel free to ignore me.

CC: @fullfathomfive

zdl,
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@ColinTheMathmo @fullfathomfive "Witches Abroad" was the one, yes!

But no, thanks for the offer, but after two books of a given author I move on. There's a lot of stuff to read and limited time to read it.

Currently I'm working through books of Chinese minority folklore.

ColinTheMathmo,
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@zdl Totally fair enough. I'm attracted to TP because of the range, the play with language, and the cultural cross-references I keep discovering, but life is short, the galaxy of books is large, and choices must be made.

Whatever else happens, I hope you find joy in reading.

Cheers!

CC: @fullfathomfive

jens,
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@ColinTheMathmo @zdl @fullfathomfive Pratchett books are much like a prog rock band's albums: early books are crammed full of amazing ideas, but it's lacking structure so badly, you have to put effort into just going with the flow. Later books show all the things he learned about structure, but they're building on a relatively small number of ideas. The middle period is excellent.

For thematically the same stuff as the main Witches parts, but a significantly more polished (if childlike)...

jens,
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@ColinTheMathmo @zdl @fullfathomfive ... version, I'd recommend the Tiffany Aching books.

But I like them all, each for their own set of strengths and weaknesses.

LinuxAndYarn,
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@fullfathomfive Heck, Terry Pratchett even knew how to treat luggage like humans, and then apologize because the luggage was sore offended to be so minimized.

(And then of course, there's Granny Weatherwax: "[S]in, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.")

fahrni,
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@fullfathomfive @PatrickWirth Think you can convince LittleMissLizz to leave Twitter?

Space Karen doesn’t like LGBTQ+ people either.

Come to Mastodon, LittleMissLizz, the water’s fine.

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