jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Trenitalia seeking more business in France

Good trains. Sensible company. Thoughtful offer. I wish them well! And some international trains - to Genova and Madrid - are being considered, as well as operation of 16 carriage trains to Lyon

https://www.railwaygazette.com/passenger/trenitalia-seeks-more-business-in-france/66351.article

apicultor,
@apicultor@hachyderm.io avatar

@jon I am absolutely fucking overjoyed to read that headline. I wish them nothing but the best.

Great trains, too.

>investigating options for high speed services from Paris to destinations such as Genova, Marseille and Madrid

Wouldn't it be embarrassing if FS started serving Paris-Madrid before Renfe? Yikes.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@apicultor Renfe just got some Talgo series 106 approved. Finally. They’ll now perhaps start to step up running to France?

apicultor,
@apicultor@hachyderm.io avatar

@jon AFAIK Renfe has been waiting for authorisation from the EPSF, which issues same on a sector-by-sector basis.

They're dragging their heels to maintain SNCF's monopoly on the route as long as possible.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@apicultor There have been problems in Spain too. It’s not only an issue in France.

bilginveperk,
@bilginveperk@piaille.fr avatar

@jon The double-unit operation i think it’s because the access charges in France. As far i know don’t do that in Italy and Spain.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@bilginveperk Makes sense though. Double capacity. One path.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Also none of this OUIGO “democratiser le train” bullshit the French are doing. Different travel classes in the same train, even with some adaption according to need. A standardised fleet of trains designed to be interoperable from the start. Choice of routes based on what’s possible & makes sense

This is sensible. It's not radical or innovative or super clever. It's doing the basics well and solving problems

And also remarkable, in that it stands in contrast to what many others are doing.

corentin,
@corentin@masto.bike avatar

@jon The initial premise of OUIGO was not totally incorrect though, I personally know some people who take OUIGO regularly thanks to its ticket prices and would never have taken trains otherwise (modal shift is good!).
But what was wrong was when SNCF broke its promises and started replacing existing TGV services by OUIGO, breaking the network effect in many places. At least the EU directive forces them to guarantee connections now...

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@corentin You only needed OUIGO because the number of cheap tickets on TGVs 2nd class was very limited. My problem is not cheap tickets, my problem is a cheap and crappy only train run by the same company as the non crappy train. A student and a business person who wants a massive seat can both be in the same train Paris-Lyon, and it is more efficient if they are.

wmd,
@wmd@chaos.social avatar

@jon ooh, direct highspeed from italy to spain would be so useful.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@wmd The infra through Nice is crap though, so I'd not hold your breath for that one. Paris-Italy and Paris-Spain are more likely.

wmd,
@wmd@chaos.social avatar

@jon ah meh. Torino to Barcelona via paris seems so absurd and french...

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@wmd Torino-BCN you could do via Chambéry and Valence.

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