acdha,
@acdha@thepit.social avatar

I wish them success bucking decades of upraised middle fingers to aerodynamic efficiency:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/interactive/2021/solar-car/

petes_bread_eqn_xls,
@petes_bread_eqn_xls@mastodo.neoliber.al avatar

@acdha jeez, this car has been Coming Soon for decades

bitprophet,
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@acdha my understanding is that we still need more progress on PV efficiency before solar cars will work, even if you hypothetically reduced the wind drag coefficient to zero, as there simply isn't enough solar panel area for it to work with current tech.

acdha,
@acdha@thepit.social avatar

@bitprophet I’m curious where the break-even point would be for a California office commuter like I used to be. 8 hours sitting in strong sunlight should get you somewhere…

frank,
@frank@frankwiles.social avatar

@acdha @bitprophet I seem to remember reading somewhere it’s only a mile or two for a work day which obviously isn’t zero but shorter than most commutes. (I very well could be remembering incorrectly, but it was definitely less than 5)

bitprophet,
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@frank @acdha ok I just did The Math:

  • avg midsize car 4.9 meters * 1.8 m wide, for…let's round, say 9 m^2 facing the sun (ignoring pesky windshield-can't-be-PV issue)
  • wiki claims best PV panel conversion rates rn are 175 W/m^2
  • gets ~1600 (rounding up) W aka 1.6 kW
  • so 1.6 kWh charged per hour (assume 100% transmission eff)
  • 'good’ EV efficiency rn is ~4mi/kWh
  • so 1h charge = ~6.5mi
  • 1x 8h workday = 52mi

not bad actually! but notice how much I rounded up…

frank,
@frank@frankwiles.social avatar

@bitprophet @acdha that’s way better than I would have thought even with the rounding and assuming 100% sun

bitprophet,
@bitprophet@social.coop avatar

@frank @acdha Now watch me have fucked up a foot to meters conversion in here somewhere

bitprophet,
@bitprophet@social.coop avatar

@frank @acdha I recall seeing a similar breakdown a ~year ago and the real world math here ended up being half or less of what I derived here, because of things like:

  • most solar panels not that good yet, or $$$ if they are
  • car not super clean (it's a car) hurting your PV eff
  • windshield/rear window cuts into your footage (meterage?)
  • much of the car is not aiming directly at the sun (esp if streamlined)
  • you lose some power between panel & battery (converters, step-downs/ups, etc)
bitprophet,
@bitprophet@social.coop avatar

@frank @acdha all that said tho, I think part of the deal is electric powertrains, and PV, are both getting better real fast, and that plays nice - eg my car or my dad's car are closer to 2mi/kWh than they are to 4, and that literally halves what you can get out of the same kWh in this scenario. If I wrapped my PS2 in PVs I'd only get 25mi from that hypothetical scenario, easily less than a lot of ppl's commutes.

Anyway let's build more public transit.

frank,
@frank@frankwiles.social avatar

@bitprophet @acdha not to mention clouds, parking next to a huge truck/van, random hot air balloon rides, and parking garages.

bitprophet,
@bitprophet@social.coop avatar

@frank @acdha yes, exactly, but we /were/ discussing Chris' ideal hypothetical scenario here. One imagines you'd either WFH or find a plug on excessively cloudy days 😂 or take the traaaaiinnnn or the bus

frank,
@frank@frankwiles.social avatar

@bitprophet @acdha oh yeah, I think most everyone would see it as an environmental and supplemental thing only for awhile.

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