RL_Dane,
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When you're on a really high-end machine and using gmail is so slow that it gets your letters out of order when typing them into a search field, something is SERIOUSLY FLARGING BROKEN with the modern web.

brouhaha,
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RL_Dane,
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@brouhaha

SO TRUE.

"Please report to de-programming center Gamma after using Javascript for extended periods of time."

kzimmermann,
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@RL_Dane MS Teams, too. Unbelievable the level of innefficience.

RL_Dane,
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@kzimmermann

"Let's just slap every new app on top of Chrome. That'll be awesome!" - said no one with a clue, ever. :P

phlogiston,
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@RL_Dane And please, let's also get rid of all of those Electron applications that totally bloat a computer with the equivalent of multiple, discreed (Chrome/Chromium) web browser instances.

RL_Dane,
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@phlogiston

Amen. The only electron crApp I use is Signal, because there's no way to use it from the web.

Element? Web browser
Simplenote? Web browser

phlogiston,
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@RL_Dane Same here, Signal is the prime exception, and occashionally the client for my Trezor hardware wallet.

Though, I have not found a decent non-web/native Mastodon client that's not Electron :-(

RL_Dane,
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@phlogiston

I use toot (https://github.com/ihabunek/toot) and tut (https://github.com/RasmusLindroth/tut)

They're commandline mastodon (and PixelFed and others) clients, and they're fantastic.

I use toot for simple lookups and searches (what's that guy's full username again??), and tut as an interactive client.

dheadshot,
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@RL_Dane Would be even worse on the computer I'm on this week, given I can't use more than Links2 (terminal only, no images) and GMail doesn't like Mutt anymore...

RL_Dane,
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@dheadshot

Try aerc. It's what all the cool kids like @benjaminhollon are using.

benjaminhollon,
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@RL_Dane @dheadshot It’s great! I’m planning to write a tty1 article on it soon.

dheadshot,
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@RL_Dane @benjaminhollon Sadly, I don't think I can compile Go software for this system. Mutt barely runs on this little RAM.

benjaminhollon,
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@dheadshot @RL_Dane
Hmm, any chance you can find a precompiled binary? Unless you're philisophically opposed to that?

dheadshot,
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@benjaminhollon @RL_Dane I'm not philosophically opposed, but for practical reasons I've needed to recompile everything to use the right dependencies that I have available and to make the software as small as possible - I don't have much of the 128MB free when everything I need is running...

blake,

@RL_Dane yeah, Chrome and Gmail are pretty bad. I'm on a mid-tier last-gen laptop and a lot of web stuff I do runs pretty well-- this tends to be mostly Mastodon, Calckey (which does run kinda slow), Fastmail, news sites I get linked to, references (icons and colors are both open right now, actually) and various management tasks like DNS/VPS control panels. This is done with a pretty good Internet connection, on Firefox on Linux with uBlock Origin installed.

blake,

@RL_Dane that being said, I usually prefer native, although native on Linux doesn't mean all that much for the stuff I do on web, like Mastodon or Wikipedia, which obviously run much better on a browser, although I have apps for both.

RL_Dane,
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@blake

I do a lot of wikipedia and mastodon from the commandline. :)

toot (https://github.com/ihabunek/toot) and tut (https://github.com/RasmusLindroth/tut) are pretty fantastic for mastodon (and even Pixelfed!! lol), and w3m is pretty great for general web browsing on slower machines. ;)

blake,

@RL_Dane I know my way around the terminal but I couldn't live in it!

benjaminhollon,
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@blake @RL_Dane
Except for web browsing, I generally can. ;)

benjaminhollon,
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@blake @RL_Dane
I mean, after all, I'm a web designer. It makes sense that terminal-based web browsing doesn't quite satisfy me. XD

RL_Dane,
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@benjaminhollon

Just noticed the flags on your username. Did you live in India?

RL_Dane,
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@blake

Once you get addicted to the power of never having to touch the mouse, and being able to manipulate text at crazy speeds (thanks to .vi.), you learn to love living in the terminal ;)

blake,

@RL_Dane I'm quite able to do things in vim/etc (my preference is Neovim) but I've tried to switch to it as my regular solution multiple times and I can never seem to do it.

RL_Dane,
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@blake

I also switched to neovim, but I forgot why, lol

Just curious, what has you reverting back to the GUI? Not being judgy.

blake,

@RL_Dane I really have no idea. It ends up super uncomfortable and I spend way too long trying to configure it instead of just using it, and no matter what I do it's never satisfactory, and I end up trying to make it replicate VS Code anyway.
Not to mention, the "canonical"/fast way to navigate in Vi/etc doesn't make sense to me (hjkl, with numbers, that sort). I suppose I work visually, and not working visually doesn't seem to click.

RL_Dane,
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@blake

Ok, probably just what you're used to.

I grew up in the 8-bit era, so I find things like vi/vim/nvim/etc and the commandline freeing, rather than restricting.

I get annoyed when I have to use the mouse. XD

blake,

@RL_Dane I grew up writing HTML in Windows XP/7 Notepad, so uh yeah

RL_Dane,
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RL_Dane,
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@blake

Though to be fair, I spent a lot of time on Classic Macs, OS/2, and Windows 95/98/NT4/XP/7, so I did my time in GUIs, and loved it at the time.

RL_Dane,
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@blake

Gmail may be more fluid on Chrome, as that's GOOG's bread and butter, but I don't feel like feeding the Blink hegemony, so I avoid it as much as possible.

joel,
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@RL_Dane send me that high end machine please I can fix it for you

RL_Dane,
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@joel

Hah, it's my work machine. My fastest personal machine is a first gen i7 :P

toozej,

@RL_Dane @joel the best gen i7!

RL_Dane,
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@toozej @joel

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