Hey, we should all really stop using racist slang to refer to customozation

Meta post I’ve decided to make. I enjoyed the unixporn subreddit a lot when I used reddit more. I enjoy customizing my linux de as much as the next nerd.

But you definitely shouldn’t use racist slang to refer to the process.

To be clear, I didn’t know the origin of the term ‘ricing’ until fairly recently. I was chattimg with my friend and used it to describe my de setup. They informed me that apparently it’s from car customization, and is a pejorative against generally asian men who customize their car to look like a racecar.

After learning this I was sad to realize just how engrained it is in linux de customization culture. I personally have stopped using the term, and I would ask everyone here stop as well.

unix_joe,

It’s a stupid term that is based on an antiquated mindset where Asian people are not creative and cannot invent anything of substance; we are only able to poorly imitate what the West develops. It needs to die.

Also, I’ve been using and customizing the X Window-based desktop for 25 years and I’m not sure that the term “ricing” was ever used anywhere before Reddit and even then only within the past decade or so. Let it die with that culture.

roguetrick,

Now they need to just find an Asian person saying it's not a big deal so they can dismiss your comment.

El_Rocha,

It’s a stupid term that is based on an antiquated mindset where Asian people are not creative and cannot invent anything of substance; we are only able to poorly imitate what the West develops. It needs to die.

The term at least since the 90s means to modify stuff to your heart’s content and literally creating something new, unique and personal.

Idk where you went to get that “can’t invent anything of substance” thing, but you might want to check your internalized racism.

xXthrowawayXx,

I’m with you especially on that last part. My most insane privately racist lug-mate called it modding or customization. Even in the windows shell hacking scene no one described it like that.

I do like using “tuning” though, fond memories of import tuner magazine and my dearly departed first car and first computer.

Grownbravy,
@Grownbravy@hexbear.net avatar

If you cant put a set of rays on your pc can you even call it done? 😤

NormalC, (edited )

I agree, it’s another example of racism being burned into the English language. You should always make an effort to change and adapt your vocabulary, to not do so is to endorse the very racist history that the term is based on.

Also the term just doesn’t make sense? I have no idea what “rice” is supposed to evoke outside of its history in the car industry/communities. “Cooking” seems to be the better term because people on Unixporn “cook up” their desktop to make it as appealing as possible (to their tastes or to the tastes of the group). So a submission would be someone’s “cook/dish.” The whole “let them cook” remark is also a relevant catchphrase.

We can do better, and why disregard that opportunity? “Rice” is a two-faced compliment with racist roots. It deserves the bucket.

XPost3000,

Yeah, “cooking” is superior

midnight,

I have no idea what “rice” is supposed to evoke outside of its history in the car industry/communities.

Whoops, your virtue signal is showing.

https://hexbear.net/comment/3749006

Don’t go deleting it now.

NormalC,

wdym, you think people can’t change? Most everyone here has used rice before because it was the dominant term in this comm. Now that this post is here, there’s no excuse for it. This is not the clever own you think it is.

What a loser, get an actual argument instead of digging up my old comments that aren’t relevant to the current discussion, or just go back to reddit, they’d love you.

ruckblack,

UH OHHHHH, better hand in your hexbear membership, you don’t fit in, you dirty racist

midnight,

Lmao, it’s cute one of your comrades remove the image on your instance.

I didn’t say people can’t change. But 8 days ago you used the term “outside of its history in the car industry/communities” and now you claim you have no idea what it’s supposed to be? Give me a break lol. Are you outing yourself as a racist from 8 days ago? Wow quick reform.

This post doesn’t change anything. It’s just a bunch of hexbear snowflakes whining that a community has enough brain cells to know context matters.

How exactly is your use of a term you deemed racist not relevant in a post where you and your comrades are going around calling people racist for using a term they don’t deem racist? Are you actually serious right now? You can’t see the relevance? Take your blinders off.

At any rate, I didn’t dig up the comment on purpose. I was seeing how much hexbear engages with lemmy.ml/c/unixporn and wouldn’t you know it out of the 210 comments your instance had only 5 of them were not in this post. Not surprising since you only had 22 users subscribed here. Your comment was one of the 5 and I went to see if there was any consistency, expecting to see hexbear users call it out as racist if it came up as you all clearly think it is now. To my lack of surprise I saw the opposite, 80% not having anything to do with the term and your humdinger exposing yourself.

You’ve underminded your entire argument and exposed your bad faith tactics in one fell swoop. You should probably stay in your safe space instead of trying to find things you think are you dunking on people.

NormalC,

Cool story bro, stay mad. Even in your little mind of hexbears vs. The world, the hexbears won.

The OP is a hexbear who previously brought this up in the subreddit. Now it’s brought up here and now you’re mad there’s pushback. You can’t engage with us on the and now you’re resorting to meaningless personal jabs.

Stay mad poo poo pee pee.

midnight,

You’re delusional. My only exposure to hexbear prior to this post was communities on large instances wanting to defederate you. This whole post makes it abundantly clear why that’s the case. You’re all very clearly a group of losers that banded together for some type of us vs the world bullshit, you even tried to pass off hexbears vs the world as my idea when it’s actually yours. It’s pathetic.

You can’t engage with us on the and now you’re resorting to meaningless personal jabs

On the what now? Do you just rage type and submit without making sure your words form coherent thoughts? Try again junior. It’s not a personal jab to point out you outed yourself as a racist by your own definition. Almost every comment you lot have made to me has been dodging my original point that there are a lot of you piling on and then attacking me. I guess hypocrisy is lost in your small world eh?

As an aside, do hexbears have an infantilzation fetish? The amount of your users randomly bringing in baby shit is really odd. Oh, what’s that? You all lean on tactic that was pivotal to maintaining slavery? But go ahead and tell me again how you’re not racist anymore. In case a hexbear mod removes the link, I linked to the wikipedia page on infantilization.

To get this straightened up, you’ve outed yourself as a racist both by using a term you now claim is racist that you had no idea how it would be used outside of a racist context and your whole lot use the same tactics with people you disagree with that were used to prolong slavery. Got it.

NormalC,

PIGPOOPBALLS

midnight,

I accept your surrender. Better luck with the virtue signaling next time. Try to stop being racist 👍

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Ouch

inasaba,

Thank you for making this post. The number of times I’ve seen the term used here lately has been bothering me.

HellAwaits,

Everything bothers you

misterfenskers,

This bothers me

chaorace,
@chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Oh, bother…

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

I’m going to continue using it.

Kuori,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

bravely being a racist in line with social norms, our hero!

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Sure, and I will lose no sleep.

NormalC,

Way to engage with the subject matter, no justification at all, nothing. You’re part of the problem you do know that?

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

My justification is most people don’t care. You would be hard pressed to find an Asian person offended by this.

NormalC,

The “most people don’t care” and the “find me an Asian person offended by this” are both non-talking points.

  1. You are in a thread about this exact issue, it seems that there are people who care, and you have to engage with that.
  2. So? Does that mean we should stop discussing this? How are we hard-pressed when this thread exists?
Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

I didnt say “find me an Asian person offended by this”. I also didnt say you should stop discussing it.

NormalC,

You also didn’t say anything of note besides pulling your justification out of your ass. I have nothing to really discuss because you didn’t give anything worth talking about.

My justification is most people don’t care. You would be hard pressed to find an Asian person offended by this.

Source: trust me bro.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

The thread question is “we should stop using this term” my reply was no. My justification is that most people don’t care. The term has been around modding communities for decades and used by people of all races. If it bothers you so much start using something else and then you can see how many people care enough to change.

Kuori,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

people like you are why shit like this is impossible to change. thank you for doing your part to keep the world just that little bit more racist, shitbag

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

How do I make it impossible to change? If I keep using the term and then you and everyone else use your new term then the term will be changed.

The reason you see comments like mine and get pissed is because its the majority sentiment. The only people that would get offended by this are people going through life with a magnifying glass looking for things to be offended by. Most of the people here getting upset are from the communist instances.

silent_water,
@silent_water@hexbear.net avatar

“I refuse to stop being racist because it’s commies telling me to stop being racist”

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Hexbear… opinion disregarded.

silent_water,
@silent_water@hexbear.net avatar

ad hominem

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Cool 😎

Kuori,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

no cracker, you just don’t want to change so you pretend you not being offended means no one is

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

What is it with Commies and not being able to read? Nowhere did I say no one is offended by this. I said most people aren’t. I don’t care if a small amount of people are upset by it. It not realistic to change language on a large scale everytime a tiny tiny percentage of people get upset.

da_gay_pussy_eatah,

funniest thing i’ve heard today is implying commies don’t read ENOUGH

Solemn,

Hi. Asian American here. I’m offended by this. Please stop deliberately choosing to use terms that are hurtful to me.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

I dont think you understood my comment.

NorthCountryHermit,

No.

RTRedreovic,

Thanks for the heads up. I tried looking up the origins of the term once long back when I first heard it but could never find it after a search. This again makes me iterate how Racist and White-centric the Internet is in general, which is observable to me as a person from Assam.

Another term people should avoid is the «soyboy» meme term. It is also a racially prejudiced word against Asians.

  • en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/soy_boy, Soy consumption is high in many Asian countries. (There is no scientific evidence for any correlation between soy consumtion and feminization for anyone curious to know.)
Scoopta,
@Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

Discussions like this always bring me back to one thing…can a word itself be racist? Is it racist to use a word if it’s not being said with racist intent? It’s reminiscent of the gimp debacle…if a words use isn’t intended to offend it’s honestly beyond me how anyone could find it offensive. Are we supposed to ban every single word that has the slightest history of being used in an offensive fashion? Feel like we’d have a really long list if we did that.

original_ish_name,
  1. I’m pretty sure it is actually from a certain food (can’t remember which one) that only tastes good when lathered in rice
  2. By this logic, saying words like “shit” are swear words is colonialist
WoofWoof91,
@WoofWoof91@hexbear.net avatar

hey, you’re cute :3

SaltyIceteaMaker,

This is the same shit as with r/animemes and the word trap back on reddit.

andrew1412, (edited )
@andrew1412@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/71d3106d-9dd9-417c-93fe-a60f0f02e257.png

This is not a word made to be racist, but stolen to be one in the eyes of a few.

The mare fact that you stop using the term rice, because “it’s racist” implies that you’re being one, by saying the racists are right about using the term in a racial and derogatory way. Instead of using the word normally, as has always been here.

If tomorrow greetings becomes racist, because it’s discovered that in their origins were racists the ones who greeted themselves, will you stop greeting people?

Im pretty tired of seeing this stupid propaganda spread everywere and everyone celebrating it.

You will never be morally superior. You really are not helping any one, you have no altruist intentions, you have no repercussion on reality. You are an attention seeker twisted by social media and social engineering into a mockery of a sane person’s mind.

MrFunnyMoustache,

I had no idea… I would have assumed it was related to rice somehow, like the people who paint on rice grains.

charje,

Before cars, people would rice their rice carts.

combat_brandonism,

lmao like moths to a flame

@dessalines there’s a lot of cryptofash in here begging the question that need to be banned, not merely have their comments removed

randint,

You are also begging to be banned. Your comment calling someone a “comprador” is to be removed too.

combat_brandonism, (edited )

someone

also strong gusano is a slur energy

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Small question for you, is Dessalines still expected to moderate this community? I assumed they would have bigger fish to fry

combat_brandonism,

Further down the thread they were calling for mods. I’m calling for admin action.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I see, Dessalines is both, that’s why I was confused

Integrate777, (edited )

For the sake of the American asian diaspora minorities again?

This reminds me of attacking those girls for wearing a kimono or cheongsam to a prom. The Japanese and Chinese living in Japan and China certainly don’t have an issue. It’s the Japanese/Chinese American minority community who has built their identity around it, and feels threatened by the use of their traditional clothing. Fine, the prom is in America, it’s an American problem in an American space, the local diaspora have a say there.

Unixporn on lemmy.ml isn’t American(or any one country) though, clearly there are a variety of people from every corner of the globe here. This place is positively cosmopolitan. I don’t see a reason why the “rice” term still has to be protected despite being a global platform. Just like it’s fine for any tourist to rent a kimono in Japan, it should be fine to use rice as a term here. Unless this platform were to officially become Amerian(or any other country like Fedd.it etc), this problem shouldn’t exist. I’m an rice eating asian myself, I’ll be glad if people were to associate rice with customization.

The Asian American community should keep in mind that the internet isn’t always an American space by default. I don’t think they should be gatekeeping everything Asian on a global platform.

combat_brandonism,

this is anglophone forum and the origins of the word are rooted in racism

but by all means keep outing yourself

Integrate777,

As what, an Asian who can read and write English? Just India alone has a significant chunk of the human population, speaking English outside of the typical English speaking countries. It’s not that odd anymore.

combat_brandonism,

countdown <- this many more posts until you say the gamer word

Integrate777, (edited )

Pretty sure you aren’t discussing in good faith, but let me add that local Asians like me, aren’t the least bit offended by being called “rice eaters”. I do in fact eat rice almost everyday because I enjoy it. A majority of my countrymen enjoy rice too. It’s also cheap and infinitely customisable, exactly as implied by ricing. I will genuinely be pleased if people in other countries enjoyed our rice dishes.

Again, if you aren’t going to engage me in good faith, just kindly ignore. I will still stand by my point that this is a global platform, and everyone else shouldn’t have to tiptoe around the “rice” term just because Americans can’t treat Asian Americans decently. You guys generated all this baggage on the name of our staple food, maybe you guys should fix it back home first.

XPost3000,

Yeah, I had absolutely no idea what “ricing” was even supposed to mean, like it doesn’t look like it’s short for anything, doesn’t seem like an acronym for anything, it’s not analogous or synonymous with anything, I can’t see how “rice” is supposed to be metaphorical at all to cool looking linux desktops, and it’s not an entirely new word like “rizz” or “yeet”

So by all accounts it’s an absolutely unfitting word for what it’s describing

Knowing the racist history of the term now, yeah that makes sense and yeah I vote we move to an objectively better term

Idk what tho, maybe “decore” cuz it actually describes that the focus is the look, that the DE is the Core of the setup, and sounds cooler than “rice”

“Decore” and “Decorizing” is probably the terms I’m personally gonna use atleast

Edit: unless I find a better term, I came up with this one on the stop

thepiguy,

The term rice comes from Japanese culture of modding cars aesthetically. Basically getting a basic normal car and making it look cool.

And if we go even further back, not many people know this but rice is actually food.

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