ME5SENGER_24,

5 Star General, former President, Dwight D. Eisenhower had this to say about the Military Industrial complex. It rings true today as much as it did in 1961

SPEECH

chaogomu,

Eisenhower was the main force behind building the Military Industrial complex.

It's kind of like a drunken, pantsless party guest saying that there's a bunch of shit and vomit in the bathroom, and that it will certainly be a problem, but they're going home now, so you should clean it up.

Only instead of shit and vomit, it's a bunch of rich assholes making money by killing poor people.

Zorque,

So is it somehow less true because he's the one who shit and vomit everywhere?

https://www.theonion.com/man-always-gets-little-rush-out-of-telling-people-john-1819578998

chaogomu,

He was kind of saying "there's this thing I built that could make all of you really rich, but it's kind of horrible, you should totally dismantle it instead of using it to get rich".

When Eisenhower gave that speech in 1961, there were already people screaming about how the military industrial complex was horrific, how it would lead to endless wars, and how it would cause global suffering.

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

If we’re linking to the classics: Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler: War Is A Racket

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

More evidence to the contrary today: FBI says Hamas attack on Israel inspiring ‘new level’ of terror threat against US

The head of the FBI warned a congressional hearing on Tuesday that the Hamas attack on Israel has given terrorists inspiration “the likes of which we haven’t seen” since the rise of Isis a decade ago.

Christopher Wray told the US Senate committee on homeland security and governmental affairs that while the terrorism threat had been high throughout 2023, “the ongoing war in the Middle East has raised the threat of an attack against Americans in the United States to a whole other level”.

“We assess that the actions of Hamas and its allies will serve as an inspiration the likes of which we haven’t seen since Isis launched its so-called caliphate years ago,” Wray said.

Original link is paywalled: ft.com/…/e1758abc-df4c-49d4-ad4f-3f7b5f143305

Ildsaye,

The dividends will be deposited in the form of 9/11s

Also as dollars for munitions industry owners

BurgerPunk,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

How are you going to pay for that?!?!

Fuck every single media hack that asked that question over and over in 2020 about m4a and isn’t asking that now

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

The double standard couldn’t be more blatant. Most media hacks don’t know the truth, and those who do are smart enough to know they’d lose their job for revealing it. YouTuber Second Thought: Why The Government Has Infinite Money

NecoArcKbinAccount,
NecoArcKbinAccount avatar

yes because bombing pali children will save us from a sovergen debt crisis and a bunch of other issues that resulted in the US dumping tens of billions in "foreign aid" while allowing the country to rot with a shitty 2 party system.

but the GDP went up!!!!!

when was the last time the GDP actually improved your life?

HowMany,

I told you we stored nukes there. Shh. Don’t let the Arabs know.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

I’m not convinced Biden is wrong on either count.

Israel is hunting down would be terrorist threats like it’s nobody’s business (if they had the capability I’m sure Hamas would’ve attacked the US). I’m not saying the overkill is right or that it won’t have consequences, but the Hamas threat is real. Beyond that, we risk an escalation if Iran (or friends) that don’t love the US or its allies start getting ideas about helping out Hamas.

Ukraine is fighting back similar Russian aggression.

Hamas, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and China must not be sent signals that the world is open for use of offensive force. If the US and allies stand back and “let Hitler have his war”, history will rhyme again and this conflict will come to our doorstep.

Strawberry,

You think Hamas gives a shit about the US? They’re busy with the occupier in their own country

porcupine,

At least Americans are honest about believing that they’ll eventually need to kill or dominate every other nation on earth to keep ahead of all the conflicts they already started. Nobody can possibly retaliate if everyone else is dead I guess.

Exusia,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

I’d never seen this memorial before, so had to Google lens it and realized what the “counterargument” image was.

It’s the memorial at the twin towers after 9/11.

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

9/11 was blowback from what our government did in our name in the decades prior. The military-industrial complex is protecting neither our liberty nor our security; it’s making line go up for American oligarchs 📈

Exusia,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

No I tracked what the whole thing was after I realized what I was looking at. Osama bin Laden and the Mujahideen and the CIA and so on, i just had a moment where brain no work so goodly because I didn’t know i was looking at the twin towers memorial.

“Squares? Military buildings? No…it looks like a memorial. Hmm maybe vietnam? No…eh I’ll just ask google. Oh wow I feel dumb as shit”

Strawberry,

It’s actually a double skelly spawner xp grinder

gravitas_deficiency, (edited )

Ukraine? 100%. This is among the best and most cost effective uses of US military funding ever. A hostile (or at least deeply antagonistic) nuclear power is geopolitically neutering themselves in slow motion, and all we have to do is send some crap over and make sure the Ukrainians don’t run out of bullets. We’re destroying the combat effectiveness of what we thought was a peer power for literal pennies on the dollar.

Israel? 😬 the whole thing is a shitshow, and Netanyahu’s strategies have been and continue to be obviously unworkable in the long term.

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Blow back go brrrrrrr

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s interesting how this doesn’t make y’all question the support for Ukraine…

MustrumR,

There's a slight difference between:

  • Helping an underdog that got invaded. While the invading force is by the way one of your worst enemies that the sent gear was prepared for anyway.
  • Further financing of a state that already has full capabilities to wipe the floor with a largely irrevelant country.
queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

And yet they’re being tied together.

Doesn’t that make you rethink your assumptions at all?

nooneescapesthelaw,

Not really, every bullet fired in ukraine weakens russia, an invading country and therefore it hurts soldiers.

The war in palestine kills innocent civilians and children

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

And yet Biden supports both. Why?

Ram_The_Manparts,
@Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

Fucking clown show lmao

buh,
@buh@hexbear.net avatar

This. Is. An. Investment. In. Democracy.

Melkath,

Why is this moron still lumping Ukraine and Israel into the same bucket?

He should have just stuck to his most effective presidential policy, wearing cool glasses and having prog-fascists give him cool nicknames.

HappycamperNZ,

His most effective policy was not being Trump, and I hope its a position they keep.

sugar_in_your_tea,

I voted for him to actually get us out of Afghanistan and not screw anything else up. He delivered on the first, and he hasn’t yet screwed up the second yet. He should be focused on getting a budget passed, not throwing money around.

Israel is fine. Just keep ships nearby, but don’t do anything, that’s all I want. If things start to get out of hand, then we can talk. Until then, have diplomats work toward peace talks. Hamas probably won’t talk, but maybe Fatah will.

Melkath,

I was almost listening to you and then said "Israel is fine".

Then heaped on rhetoric to preserve Israel's effort to displace, unto extermination, the people of Palestine.

Fuck you.

Spineless American Thug.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Then you misunderstood my comment.

I believe Israel and Palestine should exist, and I don’t think the US coming in on Gaza’s side would ever happen. That’s why I think the US should maintain a presence, but not come to the direct aid of Israel, but stay to deter other countries like Iran from joining (i.e. to prevent the war from escalating further). The US should also remain to keep a corridor open for humanitarian aid for Gaza.

Also, I would very much like to see Hamas removed, but I don’t want to see the Palestinians killed en masse. So the US should remain to gather information, help funnel humanitarian aid, and deter other powers from joining, but they should not aid Israel.

Melkath,

Nah.

Spineless American. Through and through.

Infamousblt,
@Infamousblt@hexbear.net avatar

Is “American Security” going to pay off my student loan debts? How about my rent? How about for my medication this month?

No?

Then fuck off.

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