Biden administration is sending $1 billion more in weapons, ammo to Israel, congressional aides say

The Biden administration has told key lawmakers it is sending a new package of more than $1 billion in arms and ammunition to Israel, three congressional aides said Tuesday.

It’s the first arms shipment to Israel to be announced by the administration since it put another arms transfer — consisting of 3,500 bombs — on hold this month. The administration has said it paused that earlier transfer to keep Israel from using the bombs in its growing offensive in the crowded southern Gaza city of Rafah.

JesusSon,
@JesusSon@lemmy.world avatar

Feed me Seymour

TropicalDingdong,

Biden doesn’t want to win this election.

Do you get it yet? We have to move on past Biden if we don’t want Trump.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

Move where? If not Biden, then Trump this election.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

If people didn’t PTSD themselves into staying with Biden for the last 7 months we’d have a different candidate by now.

This election has the worst two candidates ever. If this isn’t the time to jump ship then it will never happen.

AmbiguousProps,

For real, Biden should not have been the candidate, and now we’re stuck with him.

Amoxtli,

The Deep State is more than just Joe Biden.

Linkerbaan, (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

There’s still 6 months. I liked what Cornel West told Mehdi Hasan during his interview. It was along the lines of

“I’m not likely to win but if all the stars align then I can’t capitalize on it if I wasn’t there”.

A lot of life comes down to participating and a large part of the result can be luck. Even if there’s a 1/3000 chance that a third party would win, this would be one of the more likely elections in which that could happen if a massive migration wave happens from the Democrats to a third party candidate.

Most people are voting Democrat because they feel there’s no other option. The second they feel the wind blowing differently they will jump ship.

mightyfoolish,

At this point all we can do is pray and hope the ballots get hit with a heatwave and the name checked on them smear into a third party candidate’s name while gamma waves do the same with the digital ballots.

It really feels like people in this country don’t want a better future. They truely want the best of two awful ones but only for themselves, screw everyone not in your immediate vicinity.

nondescripthandle,

If people wont break the duopoly when the lesser of two evils turns into the lesser of two genocides then they will never break away. Nothing will convince these people to actually support other parties and Im tired of hearing them pretend that’s not true.

DeadPand,

Maybe vote all D but abstain from the Pres vote, who knows anymore

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    NegativeInf,

    Past Biden? No one else is even on all the ballots in all the necessary states to even come close to 270.

    I’m just happy we don’t have an idiot saying “Nuke 'em all to glass” like my conservative father.

    venusaur,
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    HuntressHimbo,

    In semi convinced the way forward would be to remove biden from office on January 1st after voting him in. Deny Trump and then tell the dems absolutely not try fucking harder.

    TropicalDingdong,

    He can pass along his delegates at the convention.

    Still time to switch it up.

    nobleshift,
    @nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

    We are on the wrong side of history and we never seem to learn from it. We should stop all US money to a genocidal government who is doing … guess fucking what … committing genocide.

    venusaur, (edited )
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    Tell your politicians to support RCV legislation:

    Fair Representation Act p2a.co/ZraNU5n

    Voter Choice Act p2a.co/9OZd4JL

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Please do not respond to multiple comments with the same post. That is essentially spamming, no matter how well-intentioned you are.

    venusaur,
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    U got it

    beardown,

    Why should we believe that a more equitable voting system would solve this issue? Or any similar issues?

    To be sure, ranked choice voting would result in some improvements to the United States, and should be supported on that basis. But it would do nothing to modify the current structure wherein oligarchs rule the United States with impunity. It’s just that this would empower the neoliberal Democratic oligarchs rather than the fascist Republican oligarchs. Which is harm reduction and is therefore preferable, but is not a meaningful solution - especially to something as entrenched as Zionism

    gravitas_deficiency,

    Because the electoral and voting systems in the US are, respectively, intentionally undemocratic and extremely inconsistent depending on the state.

    RCV for national elections would materially address the former, and enforcing RCV as the system to use for all elections at all levels would materially address the latter.

    I am not claiming RCV (or any other similar/related system) would be a panacea, but it would be a damn sight better than the intentionally flawed shitshow we have to use now.

    venusaur,
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    We would have to dismantle capitalism entirely and a huge cultural shift to fix that. Huge spending caps on campaigns would be a good start.

    RCV allows people to vote for candidates of a third party without wasting a vote like they would now. The problem is that much of society is brainwashed with red vs. blue politics and it would take a long time for everybody to get on the same page about a third party candidate.

    beardown,

    I agree.

    And, again, RCV and campaign finance reform would certainly be an improvement.

    But the root issue would remain untouched. And eventually, the ruling class would find ways to grossly manipulate that system to their own ends as well - or would gradually chip away at it through the judiciary that they control

    These proposals should be adopted nevertheless. But we should be clear-eyed about what they will and will not accomplish

    flames5123,

    STAR voting is so much better than RCV. RCV is only marginally better than first past the post.

    venusaur, (edited )
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    is it just RCV with 5 rankings, or you rank every candidate?

    flames5123,

    You can rank every candidate, so you can give multiple people 5’s. If you can’t decide between them. In RCV, if 51% vote #1 for candidate A, 49% vote #1 for candidate B, but 100% vote #2 for candidate C, the winner is still candidate A even though everyone voted for C. Everyone would’ve been a little satisfied. In STAR, if everyone put 4’s for C, they would win.

    venusaur,
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    Most people would still give A and B 5’s or 4’s, so C still loses even if they get all 4’s, no?

    flames5123,

    You total all of the points. So say 100 people with the 51/49 doing A/B at 5, and all 100 do C at 4. A would have 255 points, B would have 245 points, and C would have 400. C wins by a landslide.

    venusaur, (edited )
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    Ah right assuming A and B are opposing candidates. Kind of a way to eliminate the most popular opposing candidates in a runoff assuming there is a middle of the road candidate that everybody likes.

    In RCV this might be translated differently tho. Maybe 26% vote C #1, 49% A #1, 25% B #1 with C #2, then in runoff, C would win.

    I don’t see everybody liking the same candidate for #2.

    flames5123,

    It’s more of an example how a more popular candidate can lose because RCV still depends on first past the post and isn’t that much better. It’s not translated by points. Everyone gets #1 first. If anyone has 51%, they win and we’re done. If no one has 51%, then we eliminate the least popular candidate, transferring the votes. This continues until one is at 51%. RCV is a bandaid.

    Check out this CGP Grey video about RCV: youtu.be/3Y3jE3B8HsE

    venusaur,
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    Is anybody using Star voting now? I just feel like it can be gamed. If you want your major candidate to win, you wouldn’t rank anybody else highly.

    Thanks for the video. I totally agree that there are other voting systems like approval voting that may be better, but lots of traction with RCV already. Can be a stepping stone to other voting systems. Perfect is the enemy of good enough. Gotta take baby steps.

    Mango,

    Well, so far as the decision makers are concerned, the lesson is that we always win. It’s just unfortunate that what’s important doesn’t matter to them and they do not represent us.

    andrew,
    @andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

    Nonsense! We will write that history so that we’re clearly the good guys!

    Unless you’re saying it’s possible we’ve not always been the good guys but surely that’s not it.

    retrospectology,
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    Which is why so many people simply cannot put their name in support of Biden and AIPAC democrats.

    There’s pragmatic politics and then there’s supporting actual genocide. For many people that line is something they just won’t ever compromise on because it’s so unequivocally immoral, there’s no justification to actively support it.

    Personally if he doesn’t reverse course there’s no way I’m voting for this. I’ve lived through one Trump presidency, I’ll do it again if I have to and find other ways to resist.

    If Democrats can’t do better than genocide they can’t demand my vote.

    nobleshift,
    @nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

    What and vote for brain worms or fascists?

    retrospectology, (edited )
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    No, who said that? Voting uncommitted is a valid third option when Democrats don’t give you someone you can morally vote for.

    jumjummy,

    What a completely foolish take. “I won’t vote for Biden, I’ll just vote for the guy who wants to be a dictator and who cares even less about Palestine”

    Russian troll or a completely deluded and/or privileged person who “lived through one Trump presidency”.

    I can’t begin to stress how completely, off the rails, crayon eating levels of stupidity this approach is.

    retrospectology,
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    Who said I was voting for Trump?

    Biden can easily get my vote, there’s literally only one thing he has to do; stop supporting genocide. It’s not rocket science. Don’t like the idea of him losing? Then you need to be doing everything in your power to communicate to him that he needs to do a 180 on this issue. People aren’t going to vote for him because you try to badger and shame them, didn’t work in 2016, won’t work now.

    jumjummy,

    Sadly with how the US general election works, if your not voting for Biden, it just helps Trump. You know his supporters don’t care about Israel, the Middle East, women, LGBT people, etc., so they’re not holding back.

    If Trump wins, none of your rhetoric will excuse where we end up, and yes Biden and the current lobbying groups so entrenched with Israel have their share of the blame, but absolutely so do the voters who let it happen.

    Ellecram,

    Not a genocide. It’s war.

    retrospectology,
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    No. It is a genocide.

    Even Netanyahu admitted it was analagous to the genocide of the Amakelites in the Torah fairy tale.

    There is no debate here, it is a genocide and you are a supporter.

    Grant_M,
    @Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

    I am highly suspicious of the sources.

    Delusional,

    God damn it’d be great if we could stop supporting the fascist religious shitheads in charge of Israel.

    mightyfoolish,

    Usually I say something bad about Biden. How about I try to defend him this time? He can’t help himself. It’s kind of like a tick. Some of us are alcoholics while others need to complete a genocide in order to start an end of world event… None of us are perfect.

    3volver,

    Another step closer to getting an orange criminal as president from 2025 to 2029. What an absurd joke. Don’t make the majority feel like their voice isn’t being heard for too long, it’s never a good idea to do that.

    seanziepples,

    More like 2025 to indefinitely. Say goodbye to the 2-term limit if the tangerine becomes president.

    3volver,

    Nah. There’s no way the orange man would get more than 4 years. If he tried, we would see a nation wide shut down, the riots would be beyond anything we’ve ever seen in this country. The people with money know they wouldn’t make more money trying that, so it won’t happen. Biden is already helping them enough.

    WarmApplePieShrek,

    He will become president, but he’s too stupid to override the term limit.

    gravitas_deficiency,

    Jesus tapdancing christ he just can’t fucking help scoring an own-goal. What the actual fuck.

    I’ve been trying to be as magnanimous and politically pragmatic as I can, but this is straight up idiotic. Come the fuck on, Biden. You are going to throw the whole fucking election if you keep this up.

    IamAnonymous,

    This is what I don’t understand. He might lose Michigan this time without the support of the Arab-Americans. Last time he won by a narrow margin.

    GladiusB,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s still months away. He’s probably waiting.

    IamAnonymous,

    Yeah, probably. But this is not like student loans. How many more lives will be lost in the next few months if he waits to order a ceasefire.

    shikitohno,

    When you think he might finally be correcting course, he just immediately goes and undoes it.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t think he cares

    gravitas_deficiency, (edited )

    I think he kinda does, but at the same time he’s too fucking old and set in his boomer ways. I’m beginning to suspect that he may be incapable of understanding why the youths can’t just sEe tHinGs hiS WaY.

    WarmApplePieShrek,

    he doesn’t care as long as progressives lose, he doesn’t care whether biden or trump wins

    gravitas_deficiency,

    wtf are you talking about

    rez_doggie,

    I hate warmongering amerikkka

    Daft_ish,

    I really hate doing this but where is that “protests work” guy?

    I’m, like, not against you but everytime you celebrate when a politician does their lip service gag I lose more respect for you.

    BlackNo1,

    fuck this goddam fucking system thats going to force me to vote for this old cunt

    ChillPenguin,

    Also fuck this system that makes us pay for this with our taxes.

    selokichtli,

    We should start recognizing this genocide as an Israel and the USA one, not only Israel’s.

    Squizzy,

    The people do, what makes it so much worse and really shows the monstrousness of the USA is that there was a palestinian teenager making music about his family amd life in an open air prison, occupied territory troubles and the like and he got picked up by a US music label and is there making music now. The US enabled his country to fall to shit only to then profit off his art he makes talking about how awful his life is amd how many cousins he has lost to Israeli aggresion.

    Pure microcosm but it is heartbreaking what the US gets away with.

    Epicmulch,

    I’m so very confused by this situation. For those who are against supporting Israel. Can you explain to me rationally why you think Hamas doesn’t deserve to be wiped out after Oct 7th? I’m not denying the civilian casualties I agree it is unacceptably high But that doesn’t caragotize what’s happening as a genocide. But Hamas has said they want a high casualty rate they are using their civilians as human shields. Would you really suggest Hamas should just be able to get away with Oct 7th because they are hiding behind their people. Like what is your answer if you were the one making the choice here? Please I know this is an inflammatory topic but I promise I’m only trying to understand your opinion on the matter.

    givesomefucks,

    Can you explain to me rationally why you think Hamas doesn’t deserve to be wiped out after Oct 7th?

    …

    You want me to explain why a foreign government shouldn’t be “wiped out” for a war crime?

    By that logic, why shouldn’t Israel’s government be “wiped out” for the attacks on civilians leading up to it?

    Or at least for their actions after it where they killed 10x more civilians and destroyed billions in infrastructure?

    And that’s not even getting into how Israels government draws no distinction from someone who lives and Gaza and belongs to Hamas.

    Your logic just doesn’t seem to be consistent, and you’re focusing on the one time Hamas did anything comparable to how Israel has treated Palestinian civilians over 70 years…

    Epicmulch,

    Yes I want you to explain how the extreme brutality of what Hamas soldiers did on Oct 7th compares to Israel relating. Have you watched the videos? I’m not denying the treatment of Palestine citizens by Israel but that does not give Hamas the right to do what they did on Oct 7th. Again watch the videos Hamas themselves recorded during the attack. They killed those people because their religion told them to. Hamas themselves said they will keep doing it again and again. I understand the death toll is high. But again what would you rather do? I’m just trying to understand your logic. I don’t know how to wage war but I can take an educated guess that it’s pretty difficult to tell the difference between a Gaza citizen and a Hamas solders as they don’t wear any kind of uniform and purposely hide amongst civilians. I’m not defending killing civilians in asking what your alternative strategy would be. Or how you think Israel and us should respond. Because zero response is an unacceptable answer.

    givesomefucks,

    …

    So why aren’t you calling for Israel’s government to be wiped out when they’ve spent decades killing way more civilians?

    I don’t think you understand that part.

    If you think that should happen to Hamas, but not Israel’s government.

    Then you’re just saying Palestinians have no human rights but Israelis do.

    Like, you’re mad at someone punching back, but not the person who spent decades punching first.

    Epicmulch,

    Well if I’m being honest from what I know it sure doesn’t seem like Israel punched first. Can you educate me in what you mean by killing more civilians? Like are you talking about similar retaliatory attacks killing civilians more civilians. Because currently I understand why is Israel is killing more civilians. I’m not arguing it’s right. I don’t think there is a right answer here. I do think the context of the attacks matters. Hamas has stated very clearly they intend on perpetrating Oct 7th again and again. Jews being in their holy land is literally against their religion they have said this repeatedly. You can ask a Hamas solder why he’s fighting and he will tell you this. Can you provide an alternative to what Israel is doing? I’ve asked several times. I wish I had an answer.

    givesomefucks,

    Here’s an example from 2021

    abcnews.go.com/International/…/story?id=77685310

    But you keep saying you have no knowledge on this subject at all…

    You shouldn’t be asking for random social media accounts to explain shit like this.

    Like, is this really how you think it’s best to learn about geopolitics?

    Asking strangers online?

    It’s not like this is some crazy niche.

    It’s just hard for me to believe you’re sincerely asking these questions and are so opinionated that Israel is in the right. I’m not responding anymore.

    Epicmulch,

    I didn’t say I have no knowledge of the subject or did I ask you to teach me geopolitics. I asked you to explain your opinion on the matter. When it comes to understanding someone’s opinion I find it best to ask the person directly. But you haven’t really responded to any of my questions so I’m still pretty confused about it for the most part. I’ll read the article you posted. But it seems you think the civilian casualties give Hamas the right to do what they did and Israel just should take it and not respond. If this is what you think definitely disagree. It’s ok if you don’t believe me. All I can do is say what I’m doing and you take it however you want.

    Womble,

    But it seems you think the civilian casualties give Hamas Israel the right to do what they did and Israel Gazans just should take it and not respond. If this is what you think definitely disagree. It’s ok if you don’t believe me. All I can do is say what I’m doing and you take it however you want.

    Why is that not equally valid?

    Epicmulch, (edited )

    Be more specific about what you’re talking about and I can respond. Different people and circumstances matters. Context is important.

    small44,

    Many example in history of resistance groups killed innocent people like in algeria and the Mau Mau. Does that made britain and france good guys?

    zerog_bandit,

    Burning babies in their cribs and slaughtering mothers in front of daughters is not a valid form of protest.

    anas,

    you gotta update your manual, these lines don’t work anymore

    givesomefucks,

    So why didn’t we do anything when Israel is doing even worse?

    Literally, right now they’re doing worse to a lot more people…

    And before 10/7, they were still doing worse to even more people…

    So why focus on that one day and ignore literally everything else?

    Like, you realize the people from Hamas on 10/7 are the families of Israels prior victims?

    If Israel is justified in what they’re doing because of 10/7, why wasn’t 10/7 justified?

    If none of it is acceptable, why are you only focusing on the one day Israel’s were the victim over every other day they were the attackers?

    zerog_bandit, (edited )

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    givesomefucks,

    Sure, so you want to treat this conflict like it didn’t start on 10/7. Ok.

    I don’t know why a logical peraon wouldn’t…

    Or why I should continue conversations with people who do

    zerog_bandit,

    Lol, literally left speechless by the truth. I win 😀

    T00l_shed,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/cf25389e-64c4-4251-9221-3110bd4d5185.jpeg

    mightyfoolish,

    Only the desperate do suicide attacks. It’s sad that they even have to resort to such things. They weren’t militants. I heard some of them were young adults who had nothing else to live for.

    They couldn’t attack anyone if their land wasn’t stolen.

    Jews still exist in Iraq. Israel pretended to be Arab terrorists and tried to trick them into becoming Israelis. It didn’t work. Israelis allies made Yemen HELL for everyone. That’s when Israel capitalized and took in Yemeni Jews. Israel absorbed the Levantine Jews.

    France helped with the Suez Canal thing. They knew they will betray Egypt. Israel’s creation was a giant backstapping. At every step.

    I know you drunk the koolaid as soon as you mentioned Arabs have cleansed the area of Jews. The real truth is the Arab culture absorbed everyone in the region. The Philistines, Judahites, Isrealites, Arameans, Lihyanites, etc. You clearly have been forced fed lies and propaganda your whole life.

    Also, stop crying about down votes when talking about a sensitive issue. Are you really going to break down every time the rain of lies that makes up your upbringing gets challenged?

    zerog_bandit, (edited )

    Wow not even trying to hide the Nazi ideology anymore with the “stab in the back” rhetoric? Real mask off moment.

    In 1947 there were 156,000 Jews living in Iraq. Today there are three. Just like , you lie through your teeth.

    You spout this nonsense about false flag attacks yet provide no proof. This is the exact same nonsense as Kristallnacht. Funny enough, the Arab world embraced Nazism whole cloth. “Religion of peace”.

    You say that the land in Israel was stolen. You also say that Yemeni Jews were forced to relocate to Israel. How are both possible? The amount of mental gymnastics to try to rationalize the pro Hamas position is insanity.

    mightyfoolish,

    Wow, I did not reliaze there was an Israeli operation to also move all of the Iraqi Jews to Israel. So, Israeli has now relocated all Arab Jews which lasted till… the formation of Israel. Where is this Arab cleansing? The Israelis cleansed the Arab lands of its Jews.

    You say that the land in Israel was stolen. You also say that Yemeni Jews were forced to relocate to Israel. How are both possible?

    What is the conflict here?

    Did you know Germany had to make an official statement to correct Isreal. Israel tried to blame the Holocaust on the “Sharif of Jerusalem.” Germany said (about a month ago), “No, that was us.”

    zerog_bandit,

    Massive victim blaming. “We didn’t ethnically cleanse them, we just slaughtered them by the thousands, banned their religion and them owning property. They left on their own!”

    I’m not surprised someone defending Hamas is ready to blame the victim. That whole side of the world has a pretty bad track record on women’s rights.

    mightyfoolish,

    I’m not defending Hamas. I’m noting that Arab Jews existed until Israel had operations to absorb them.

    “We didn’t ethnically cleanse them, we just slaughtered them by the thousands, banned their religion and them owning property. They left on their own!”

    Is this an IDF quote from Gaza? Is this about the auctioned land?

    Amoxtli, (edited )

    There is no point in trying to understand the situation. This is the usual pointless American foreign policy.

    Epicmulch, (edited )

    I dont even disagree with you. A depressing fact.

    SwingingTheLamp,

    I think Ben-Gvir’s latest comments about a “true solution” put to bed any debate about whether it’s a genocide.

    Amoxtli, (edited )

    Biden loyalists still believe they are the good guys. I am pretty sure, when Julius Caesar marched into Gaul, that the Roman army thought of themselves as bad guys… We know where Biden supporters stand. Did the Nazis believe they were the bad guys? Government psy-ops a success on a huge segment of the population.

    SkyezOpen,

    Got it, voting trump instead. He’ll stop the genocide.

    Amoxtli,

    I will give the benefit of the doubt to Trump, since never-Trumpers rather be complicit in genocide just to keep the evil Orange Man away. I am voting for Trump just to spite Biden. That is democracy baby.

    SkyezOpen,

    Lol. Lmao even.

    givesomefucks,
    1. Why are you so sure no amount of pressure from voters will ever make Biden stop funding a genocide?
    2. Do you believe he’s like this about everything or just the genocide of brown people?
    3. Why do you support a candidate for the Dem nomination who doesn’t listen to the people he needs votes from?
    SkyezOpen,
    1. It might but it better happen fast if he wants to gain back any protest votes.
    2. Fuck if I know. It’s tradition at this point. How far in us president history do we have to go to find a president that didn’t kill a bunch of brown people?
    3. I don’t support biden. I’ll give him credit for the good shit he did but I’m voting for him to avoid the US becoming a theocratic fascist state… Faster than it already is at least.
    Amoxtli, (edited )

    Oh yes, because Christianity is so evil, it proliferated compassion across the world. It ended slavery, created Just War Theory (a moral approach to war), proliferated the concept of human rights It culturally ingrained into its followers the concept of secularism, and egalitarianism. How far the democrat party has fallen. They fear the Bible and Orange Man so much, genocide is an acceptable trade-off. You must really hate Jesus.

    givesomefucks,

    Oh yes, because Christianity is so evil,

    It is…

    it proliferated compassion across the world

    It didn’t…

    It ended slavery

    The Bible is pro slavery…

    created Just War Theory (a moral approach to war),

    Lol

    proliferated the concept of human rights

    It supports fucking slavery and says a wife is a husband property, and sexual acts unless for reproduction is a sin and should be illegal…

    I’m not going to keep going, because I haven’t hit a truthful thing you’ve said yet.

    Amoxtli, (edited )

    Are you aware that Western culture is Christian culture? Was Jesus a poor man or a rich man? Was he submissive or a conquering hero? The greatness of a man is his accomplishments… is it not?

    The Bible is pro slavery…

    You must think that atheist ended slavery, that the Civil Rights Movement was atheist. Martin Luther King Jr was an atheist???

    It didn’t…

    Right, because creating the first welfare system was an act of inhumanity. Feeding and clothing the poor was an egregious act.

    The humble, meek, Christian fundamentalist who devotes his life to poverty is absolutely disgusting. For some people, poverty is disgusting.

    I had to chuckle at a left-winger the other day when he told me “communist are anti-religion,” then I prepare for it, a link that shows that Christian Communism existed long before the Bolshevik Revolution. Communism comes from the Bible. Read the Book of Acts, Acts of the Apostles, read your Bible, and learn the scripts of your program

    SkyezOpen,

    The humble, meek, Christian fundamentalist who devotes his life to poverty is absolutely disgusting. For some people, poverty is disgusting.

    The staggering irony. Find me a self proclaimed fundie Christian in government who has actually tried to help poor people.

    Amoxtli,

    Find me this, find me that. Who are you, my mother?

    SkyezOpen,

    My dude, your religion got hijacked.

    givesomefucks,

    but I’m voting for him to avoid the US becoming a theocratic fascist state…

    It’s not avoiding it, it’s making it happen slower.

    I think you’ve forgotten how religious Biden is and how much he’s talked about that influencing his positions.

    Why do you think he’s essentially ignored Roe V Wade being overturned? He doesn’t want abortion to be legal due to his religious views.

    He did an executive order, but it accomplished nothing. And that was just because midterms were coming.

    And the way he’s encouraging cops to go after peaceful protesters?

    He’s saying the same bullshit about protesters trump said about BLM protesters.

    Biden isn’t against fascism, he’s against the other team being in charge of it.

    That’s what happens when one side turns the fascism up to 11, and the only other option is obsessed with meeting them half way.

    The best result is slightly more than half fascist.

    And that hurts turnout, and low turnout is when the fascists win.

    The best way to stop the fascists, is to fight them, not compromise with them. That shit doesn’t work.

    Amoxtli,

    Joe Biden isn’t religious. He is a progressive activist. He is the clown, and you are in his circus. Furthermore, he and Nancy Pelosi are globalist first, progressives first, nationalist last, Christians last.

    SkyezOpen,

    It’s making it happen slower

    Yeah, I literally acknowledged that.

    I’m voting for him to avoid the US becoming a theocratic fascist state… Faster than it already is at least.

    The best way to stop the fascists, is to fight them, not compromise with them. That shit doesn’t work.

    So what, don’t vote and do direct action instead?

    archomrade,

    Withholding support is direct action.

    SkyezOpen,

    Direct action to support a fascist takeover of America. Fuck’s sake have we learned nothing from his first 4 years? Hillary was a flaming piece of shit but if she won we would still have reproductive rights in America.

    archomrade,

    It’s the same as threatening a union strike to force concessions for collective bargaining.

    The strike isn’t the goal, but being willing to do it gives you power to negotiate.

    SkyezOpen,

    Again, Hillary was such a huge piece of shit that the voter turnout wasn’t there. Trump was the result of that protest. Dems responded by giving us biden. They won’t learn. Biden also barely changed course from the primary protest vote.

    archomrade,

    Hilary lost because she chose to alienate her progressive caucus and run a campaign focused on her opponent instead of her own policies.

    Now that you mention it that does sound familiar. Biden should have the benefit of hindsight.

    SkyezOpen,

    Like I said. They won’t learn 🤷

    Soggy,

    A strike means things stop. A protest vote means things go backwards, as if there was an entire workforce of scabs waiting to swoop in when the strike starts. There’s no leverage.

    archomrade,

    A strike means things stop. A protest vote means things go backwards

    Think of everything leading up to the election as the strike, and the company going bankrupt from the strike as the result of the election.

    arymandias,

    Ben-Gvir: It’s time for a true solution to Gaza.

    Biden:

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