UN votes to back Palestinian membership, prompting Israeli envoy to shred charter

The UN general assembly has voted overwhelmingly to back the Palestinian bid for full UN membership, in a move that signalled Israel’s growing isolation on the world stage amid global alarm over the war in Gaza and the extent of the humanitarian crisis in the strip. The move drew an immediate rebuke from Israel. Its envoy to the UN, Gilad Erdan, delivered a fiery denunciation of the resolution and its backers before the vote, and fed pages of the UN charter into a shredder. The Palestinian envoy, Riyad Mansour, highlighted that the vote was being held at a time when Rafah, Gaza’s southernmost city that is the last haven for many people, faced attack from Israeli forces

CaptObvious,

What a measured and mature response. Way to go Israel. /smh

saltesc,

It’s the UN assembly. I’m more surprised not a single shoe was taken off to be thrown or to beat on a desk.

TimeNaan, (edited )

The video is amazing. He was actually trying to show to the assembly “what they were doing” to the UN charter.

Instead he created a golden moment of cringe comedy where he is the one putting the charter into a tiny shredder, and declaring “you make me sick” like a petulent child with the diminutive machine’s whirring in the background.

Especially compared to the Palestinian speech he made himself look like a total clown.

istanbullu,

Israel is a fascist theocracy

themaninblack, (edited )

I saw both this and also this ambassador’s rebuke of the UN’s consideration of Palestinian statehood.

How utterly juvenile. Their full court press against a Palestinian state is splitting at its worst.

Most attorneys, given the chance to address the chamber, would make some sort of concession. Even Trump’s counsel have done so in his Supreme Court immunity case, which is already beyond real, erudite credibility based on the arguments they are making.

Israel cannot continue making these arguments, invoking the Holocaust, while they are indiscriminately killing tens of thousands of Gazan women and children.

It is almost a psychological reflex; as they continue to slaughter innocents, the enemy must be ever greater in order to justify their actions.

The histrionic and jarring and aggressive speeches made by Israel at the U.N. appear to underscore their complete lack of remorse, their callousness in their approach, and their privileged status over recent decades.

If the Israeli government cares about statehood, could they please manage to do what every other state does and describe their borders?

The complete lack of an attempt at damage control in these diplomatic speeches underlies their viciousness.

Holocaust denial or diminution is a real actual problem in younger generations because they haven’t interacted with relatives who have these horrors in living memory. It’s disgusting how they dither when asked about the Holocaust.

Israel has a legitimate right to defend its borders, there is no doubt. However, they shouldn’t have a carte blanche license to kill.

What happened to Mossad? They were meant to be the most surgical special intelligence service of the 20th century. Have they gotten lazy? Or is this a campaign to psychologically demolish an enemy? What happened to Israel’s scholars, who understand the concept of blowback?

Starving Gaza is a war crime and should be punished as such. Such godawful optics that Israel has incinerated the goodwill they enjoyed after the October 7th attacks.

This country is anti-freedom of the press (Al Jazeera, careful control of western journalists embedded with Israeli troops, complete exclusion of independent journalists in Gaza except for Gazan civilian reports, with many indiscriminately murdered Gazan journalists).

They have the audacity to be shocked when the ICC and the UN try to hold them to account for their excessive bloodlust.

It is my opinion that this change in approach is long overdue. Israel has been violating international law for decades with their continual incremental and violent expansion in the Golan Heights and making a modern day Ghetto out of the Gaza Strip.

You cannot kettle a population like they have been doing; restricting travel, but also imports of goods that sustain its people. It is positively disgraceful.

I hope that Biden continues to come around in substantive ways, and I’m encouraged by his shift on policy thus far. It must be hard for a very old man, with very old ties to his Israeli ally, with all of the political pressure he faces in the direction of supporting Israel no matter what, to be the first leader to balk at weapons shipments.

But to do otherwise would be at best grossly irresponsible and at worst, suborning genocide.

chromolium_falcon,

I heard the UN awarded this Israeli envoy Erdan the UN’s Yellow Star of Cringe award. Just search for ‘UN Israel envoy yellow star’ to see the ceremony that occurred in Oct 2023.

antidote101,

Israel’s United Nations ambassador displayed a yellow star on his chest Monday as he addressed the Security Council, provocatively pledging to wear the badge until members of the body condemn Hamas “atrocities”.

Issued on: 31/10/2023 - 01:47Modified: 31/10/2023 - 09:23

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His wearing of the badge, which has come to symbolise the oppression of Jews since its imposition in Nazi-occupied Europe, was swiftly criticised by Yad Vashem, Israel’s Holocaust memorial, which urged him to wear the Israeli flag instead.

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

United States, I swear if you veto this time…

rdri,

Go on…

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

The world will never look at them very fondly ever again

Buddahriffic,

They can’t; there is no veto power in the general assembly.

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Good

Vorticity,

Palestine gets new rights from this but it also triggers a vote in the security council on whether Palestine will actually become a full member. The US will veto and has already signaled as much.

Vorticity,

Palestine gets new rights from this but it also triggers a vote in the security council on whether Palestine will actually become a full member. The US will veto and has already signaled as much.

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Dammit, US.

Breezy,

So what about Ukraine being a member too?

edgesmash,

Ukraine (then known as Ukraine SSR) joined the UN as a founding member state in 1945, then joined as a sovereign state in 1991.

You might be thinking of NATO, of which Ukraine is not (yet) a member state.

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

I guess we have a new diva in the house!

PanArab, (edited )
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Israel is a pariah state the region has been cursed with

The UN had no right to divide Palestine and give the Zionist invaders any part of it.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Here’s the video of that moment. Warning: massive cringe

jwiggler,
@jwiggler@sh.itjust.works avatar

“You are shredding the UN charter…with your own hands.”

As he shreds the UN charter…with his own hands.

TimeNaan,

With a tiny shredder that he calls “a mirror”. Clown show.

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

‘You are shredding the UN charter with your own hands!’ In between him putting each page of the charter into the shredder… smh

feedum_sneedson,

Deeply embarrassing, why didn’t he just tear it up?

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

“Fiery denunciation” is a laughable overstatement, and the fact that they planned out this mini tantrum with a mini paper shredder is just outright comical.

ZombiFrancis,

A fucking mini paper shredder? It isn’t even an emotional outburst but a preconceived demonstration? They actually planned out getting that little thing for him?

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Its actually in the article thumbnail

FinalRemix,

It was a premeditated tantrum! Oh, my sides.

m13,

And the tiny little papers! Aww 🥺

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Premeditated Tantrum would be an excellent punk rock band name.

MonkderDritte,

Everything is a punk rock band name if you just try hard enough.

bradorsomething,

This would never fit on a marquee.

ZombiFrancis,

They don’t play where there are marquees.

Who are great live by the way.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Needs to be on one of those giant dot matrix light signs so it can be animated.

geneva_convenience,

When he came home he played a sad song on

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/4067a4d2-0b05-4759-aa47-1208d61125b2.jpeg

AFC1886VCC,

Swing and a miss, that one!

acockworkorange,

I really want to see this as the UN finally mending its ways, but seeing how they got Saudi Arabia for women’s rights chair and got caught denying doing anything for refugees in Thailand because “it would anger China”… I can’t help but see it as them playing to someone’s interest in creating chaos.

I don’t know who that would, what I know is trusting the UN’s motives isn’t a good bet lately.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

but seeing how they got Saudi Arabia for women’s rights chair

I remember seeing a hot take that the political reason for this was because it removed SA’s “you’re just making up rules without our input” excuse when they got called out. Basically, by giving them the chair, it put a spotlight on their abuses and simultaneously removed any political excuses they had.

acockworkorange,

Meh. I’m fine with making rules without their input on any subject matter, and specially this one.

Snapz, (edited )

Do you know how Saudi Arabia was elected to that seat?

unreasonabro,

story time!

PanArab, (edited )
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Saudi Arabia has a higher legal marriage age (18) than many Western states. And that’s one thing of many that it does right for women.

Edit: it looks like most European states also have it at 18. It is only the some states in the USA that are doing it wrong.

acockworkorange,

It’s truly a beacon of equality and human rights upholding.

thedirtyknapkin,

honestly, as good as this may be in the short term, they’ve really just added one more highly Conservative religious state that will vote against the interest of the common good moving forward.

I strongly support Palestine gaining statehood and for Israel to stop fucking with them (that extends far beyond the war), but that doesn’t mean i like their ideals. i think there’s a strong chance that this will cause problems moving forward and that conservatives will use that as ammunition.

that said, this is the un finally really kinda doing its job for once. ending global conflict through diplomacy. can’t say that’s a bad thing.

SmoothOperator,

The UN is more a place to talk with your enemies than with your friends, and getting the chance to sit at a table with people you disagree with rather than fighting each other is great.

If there are any Palestinians left to disagree with.

thedirtyknapkin,

sure, but the issue of the un never getting things done or doing the wrong thing is due to the influence and stalling done by states that oppose the common good for religious reasons or personal gain. in the long run that’s what Palestine is likely to be.

so again, i don’t disagree with this move. it’s necessary, but i also Foresee more problems in the future. nothing really for it, just a prediction.

Woozythebear,

Just so you are aware, America is one of the most conservative members of the UN and constantly stop the UN from preventing or stopping genocides and other atrocities around the world.

thedirtyknapkin,

oh I’m aware, that’s why i said another.

PanArab, (edited )
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Imagine thinking all Palestinians are hardened Islamists. Prejudice and ignorance much?

A Palestinian woman runs a brewery and beer festival in the town of Taybeh in the West Bank

hanrahan,
@hanrahan@slrpnk.net avatar

He should have eaten it. :)

adam_y,
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

What is this? A shredder for ants?!

Timecircleline,

How did he procure it so quickly too??

Allero,

Guess they had suspicions that just about everyone in the world doesn’t love genocide

Timecircleline,

That explains why those “I ❤️ genocide” T shirts sell so poorly

Psychodelic,

It’s a tiny little baby shredder!

adam_y,
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d9ad553b-a564-4a08-a8c8-47887c62d3d5.jpeg

dumbass,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

We need more prop comics at the UN!

TokenBoomer,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5782043c-6b4a-4f7c-aa82-b54fdaa03842.jpeg

It’s been done before.

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

He has a WMD!

Invade him!

nutsack,

is that cum

ChickenLadyLovesLife, (edited )

“Special Envoy Carrot Top” has a nice ring to it.

Vorticity,

This CNN article has a lot more information and context including who voted against the measure (nine countries including the US and Israel), the practical effects of the measure (new rights for Palestine to sponsor and support resolutions but still no vote), and what can be expected in the near future (a vote in the UN security council on whether to actually admit Palestine which might pass but which the US will veto).

Buddahriffic,

I wish it also listed the abstaining countries. I hope I don’t see my country on that list but expect to. Anyone know what the list is?

Allero, (edited )

Wonder why Czechia voted against the bill. Did I miss anything?

boyi,

and why Hungary?

ChaoticNeutralCzech,

I’m Czech. No matter the party, our government always had Israel bootlickers. T. G. Masaryk, founder of Czechoslovakia, was anti-antisemitic. We share a prevailing fake feeling of tininess and vulnerability (in 1938, the Allies signed the Munich treaty, sacrificing us to Nazi Germany, and in 1968 our “partner” USSR invaded us for straying from hard Communism) even though we have strong allies and a decent standing in our respective regions. Our support mainly consists of shilling for Israel in international politics and preserving our Jewish sites while they provide tech investment and recently COVID vaccines. I think the government did send some aid but the average Czech does not care about Israel, as opposed to Ukraine, which was heavily donated to (and a huge number of its its refugees were accepted) thanks to our bad experience with Russia and a significant, well-behaved Ukrainian minority.

Allero,

Thanks for the explainer!

PolandIsAStateOfMind, (edited )
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

I would say this has less to do with Israel bootlicking and more with US bootlicking (sure, not much difference but it’s always worth to remind that all this is because USA in the first place), Czech international politics look like made in Washington on all issues, which is visible especially lately when Visehrad group split on the Ukraine issue.

Allero,

Sounds plausible

ChaoticNeutralCzech,

Yup, we are trying really hard to stop being associated with the Soviet Union. Our Senate meets to celebrate Israel‘s birthday and promises to fulfill NATO obligations while Israel representatives order a radar system from a Czech company and promise to shout “Czechia is in Central Europe!” at anyone suggesting we’re in the East.

Allero,

That’s kinda visible tbh. The time I was in Prague for two months in 2020 made me feel like “alright, alright, I know already about the bloody Soviets and how cool is Václav Havel, could you please stop”

From that perspective, it makes sense how it could turn to serve NATO.

ChaoticNeutralCzech,

Typical. Prague is the most liberal, pro-West part of the Czech Republic, and they don’t spare tourists from their views. There is undeniably a portion of tourists that could genuinely use a Czech history lesson beyond “look at all this stuff Charles IV built in the 1300s” but I get why unsolicited ones can get annoying on a longer stay. You can always retreat to the countryside far from any attractions to get a hillbilly’s perspective but good luck finding one who speaks English well enough and is willing to talk.

Allero, (edited )

Certainly wish there would be more of something in between Charles IV era and XX century, at least among something known and popular.

I myself am Russian, and know a bit of Interslavic (and learned a bit of basic Czech while there), so hopes are we’d figure communication out without English should we need to :D

At least I managed it with some Czechs (and also Slovaks) who don’t speak English in Prague. Btw, I don’t know what makes the difference, exactly, but I can better understand Slovaks, even though languages should be nearly identical.

ChaoticNeutralCzech,

Medzi češtinou a slovenčinou sú poriad hocjaké rozdiely. Ťažko rozhodnúť, ktoré majú najväčšie vplyv na srozumitelnosť, ale tipoval bysom výslovnosť, ktorá je v slovenčine podobnejšia východnárom. Pripadá mi čudné, o koľko viac slov nemeckého pôvodu sa v tomto jazyke dá naísť: spomenám fľaša, marhuľa, cvikla, bravčový, kaleráb, štrajk.

Allero, (edited )

Справедливости ради, из этих слов аналогичны в русском языке слова “свекла” и “кольраби”, другие различаются - видимо, слова заимствовались в основном разными путями. Можно угадать “страйк”, но мы чаще используем слово “забастовка”.

Да, для меня словенское произношение более разборчиво на слух

Transcription: Spravedlivosti radi, iz etih slov analogicny v russkom yazike slova “svekla” i “kohlrabi”, drugie razlichayutsya - vidimo, slova zaimstvovalis’ raznymi put’ami. Mozhno ugadat’ “strajk”, no my chash’e ispol’zuem slovo “zabastovka”

Da, dlya men’a slovenskoe proiznoshenie bolee razborchivo na sluh.

Translation: To be fair, out of those words the only similar ones in Russian are “beetroot” and “kohlrabi”, the rest differs - were probably loaned from other languages. You can also guess “strike”, but we use “забастовка” more often.

Yes, to me the Slovenian pronunciation is more clear.

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