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RobertJackson58585858

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Family History, AncestryDNA, rubbish DIY, rubbish DIY guitars, coffee, leftish politics.😎
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Enjoyed A level maths 50 years ago, still do!

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RobertJackson58585858, to random
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Thank you all for your company ... an interesting topic that shows how differently different jurisdictions handle and disclose records (or not).

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Q5 What other avenues of research can tax records lead you to? @genchat (Kind of the opposite of Q1)

RobertJackson58585858, (edited )
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A5 ... in the UK it might be via irregularities/scandal made public through old newspapers.

Esp as debts due to Inland Revenue supposedly take preference over others this topic often enough crops up in bankruptcies and business failures/maladministration.

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Q4 Can we order our ancestors’ tax records from the government? @genchat

RobertJackson58585858,
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In the UK mostly not, sadly, except insofar as probate/inheritance tax/Wills are public??

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Q3 What kind of useful information can be gleaned from tax records? @genchat

RobertJackson58585858,
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A3 ... example rateable property records ... the owner of a property ... which can be problematical. Esp inaccuracies.

My great grandfather owned property ... Two houses which he bequeathed to his daughters. The Brum property record on ancestry gives his name for the one house and a slightly different name for the other house which has led me along a twisted inconclusive bunny trail before now.

RobertJackson58585858,
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This was a William Samuel Powell masquerading as Benjamin ... I was hoping this William fellah might have been an uncle ... a brother of Ben's father ... as I couldn't get back before Ben's father.

No such luck, obviously. All pre DNA.

Of course, Ben might not have wanted the rating office to know he owned both places, maybe??

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Well last night Jan (as usual) gave us a ton of helpful Info :

Modern property tax records can tell you when a house might have been built or remodeled, and sometimes even give you a footprint of the building and its rooms.

If you find records that someone owned property over a certain value, if you're thinking about when they came of age, or if they have income over a certain value. It depends on whether you are "boots on the ground" or looking online.

I highly recommend Judy G. Russell's webinars on the law and how it applies to our research, especially "How Old Did He Have to Be?" Knowing the law tells you when someone is likely to be on a tax list.

Knowing the law is so helpful for all the records we use for . I think it was Michael Hait who said in a webinar "Clerks don't keep records for fun."
Most records we use were kept because some law mandated them, or when people were keeping track of money.

Knowing each locality's laws are so important! You can search Judy G. Russell's blog, The Legal Genealogist, to get ideas for finding the laws for individual states, territories, or federal laws.

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RobertJackson58585858,
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While I think of it ... Planning applications are public documents ... not strictly on topic ... but nowadays recent ones are searchable online in some areas.

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Q1 What might tell us we need to start to look at tax records? @genchat

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In the UK, as not really published, I'd be inclined to think old newspaper reports of major tax irregularities becoming scandalous ... that sort of thing.

On the other hand our local taxes (Rates, Poll Tax, Community charge) do have some published records eg on Ancestry but they might fall under land taxes and the like.

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ICEBREAKER What information in your own tax records could help your descendants? @genchat

RobertJackson58585858,
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Tying knots. I declared income from hobby of tying knots back in the late 80s. It let me claim membership of the International Guild of Knot Tyers as a deduction.

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Good day, ! I've got my coffee ready & we'll be talking about Tax Records for ! And although I've finished updating my computer last night, it is driving kind of slow, so please bear with my pace. @genchat

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Good afternoon ... sorry I'm late.

At least am not a week early again :(

RobertJackson58585858, to random
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Am looking forward to today at 2pm UK.

ColinTheMathmo, to random
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Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.

RobertJackson58585858,
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@ColinTheMathmo

So true!!

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Well, the bluebells are definitely out and enjoying the light at last.

RobertJackson58585858,
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You have some of the lovely white sports as well :)

I have both in my garden, too, and last year I gave bulbs of a few whites to a lady friend ... she's reporting their appearance :))

RobertJackson58585858, to random
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Inexplicably Tewkesbury High St is being resurfaced this week. Only done a few years ago. Elsewhere in Glos the potholes are a disaster left untouched yet somehow funding allows. Y'd never guess there is a general election coming.

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When the staff-less shop is actually staffed by under-paid distant workers, we know the information technology revolution is a lot less 'new' than it appears.

Its the same old worker exploitation, just wearing different clothes & speaking a different dialect...

As I argued in my 2002 book on the Information Society, the info tech 'revolution' may change the quantitative character of capitalism but it leaves its underlying form & logic untouched.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/10/amazon-ai-cashier-less-shops-humans-technology

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RobertJackson58585858, to random
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That thing where you get a parking ticket in the post. Over two weeks after the event and long after you've thrown the cash receipt away ... and the parking ticket people don't tell you how much you paid.

So you can't check.

Yes, I likely made an expensive mistake. No arguing.

But I've no reason to revisit that town for pleasure shopping, charity shop shopping and meals.

There are a lot of towns and villages within half an hour's drive from here that meet our needs.

Simple. End of rant.

RobertJackson58585858,
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I wouldn't feel so bad about it if the carpark involved weren't a dark rubbish strewn hole under a late 20thC shopping centre with hardly any units let, equally rubbish strewn, in the middle of a Midlands market town.

Used to be the bustling hub of the Vale of Evesham but latterly is clearly in recession. No Brexit bonus anywhere to be seen.

And their councillors will never be voted out so they've no reason whatsoever to look to their laurels.

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RobertJackson58585858, to random
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To Hereford again with sis this afternoon.
Charity shops galore ... sign of the times that what were really snazzy high street name stores are now rather snazzy charity shops :(

Found this ukulele missing a string and a tad grubby looking sorry for itself. Now cleaned and tuned "my dog has fleas" in proper manner.

It'll be back in another charity shop on Monday, my pleasure taken this past hour or two.

:))

RobertJackson58585858, to random
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Today Find My Past has launched a new rather quirky database: Warwickshire Coventry Vehicle Registrations 1921-1924.

Am finding more success by using the "Advanced options - optional keywords" search because the records are record cards where there is a variety of fields and folk, naturally, filled them in in a variety of ways.

At first sight an uninspiring list of car registration numbers. But drill down you find long defunct car makers, famous car models and owners/addresses

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It's funny to see people write my name as Danïel Lakens or Daniel Läkens or Lakëns. They know there are these weird dots somewhere. In Dutch, Daniel would have 2 syllables and rhyme with 'kneel', while Daniël has 3 syllables and rhymes with 'well'. The dots make 'ie' into 'i-e'.

RobertJackson58585858,
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@lakens

My mom had a brother and uncle named Gaius which the family always pronounced Gay-eye-us ... emphatically three syllables. And that's how I pronounce that name because that's what they called them and no doubt would have called themselves.

You have my support in spelling and saying your name as you choose :)

RobertJackson58585858,
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@lakens

Gäïüs, please :)

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Just a reminder that the next will be NEXT Saturday, April 13! We’ll be talking about taxes records & ! @genchat

RobertJackson58585858,
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It shows how much attention I pay :)

See you all next week!

(I'd like to believe my is better quality than my diary ... )

RobertJackson58585858, to guitar
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My latest creation, Frankenstein-like ... a diddley-bow or single string guitar.

I only mark the 3rd, 5th, 7th and 12th fret positions. The rest are guesstimates between them.

Tuned G so the fret marks are on A#, C, D and G octave.

It rings rather nicely with good sustain.

In other respects it sounds dreadful ... which is 👍👍👍😎

RobertJackson58585858,
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Minor upgrade to the diddley bow. Chrome tin pierced fruit bowl put in place of the brassy swirley resonator.

The bridge is precisely 630 from the nut which left the previous marks for A#, C, D and G Octave correct.

Have also cleaned off some of the construction marks.

Will slowly fall into shape :))

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[I'm not asking for advice ... please don't try to help me]

OK, so ...

Trying to assist to to things on the computer. These are things that they are absolutely capable of, and will (I believe) greatly enhance their quality of life.

Then Oh. My. God.

The misconceptions are f'n unbelievably. The way they think things work, the things they believe happen when they perform certain operations, it's just ... inconceivable.

I've started to unpick some of what's going on, and it's horrendous.

To start ...

RobertJackson58585858,
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@CenturyAvocado @ddrake @ColinTheMathmo

Companies trying to encourage us to do less on paper and more online really don't help themselves by strongarming us.

My bank recently wanted to stop paper bank statements. If we needed them on paper we could have them. But they insisted we wait until the date they'd turned them off and then phone up to turn them back on.

Otoh we could go online early and turn them off immediately.

Strong arm stuff isn't good for business. Really it isn't.

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