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Efficient at confusing people, perhaps. Personally, I have no idea what you’re on about.

elephantium,
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Ha, I was thinking of the Aurora. Raise a glass with me in the crew’s honor.

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I’m curious, why do you write it “70ies” instead of “70s”?

The former always makes me say “seventy-ies” as I read it. Kinda funny.

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What, the equation is wrong?

Oops, wrong Drake. Carry on.

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same price or cheaper

Ah, but is it? A quick search shows wood chippers ranging from $400 to $2400. If they’re renting out the $400 model, yeah, you come out ahead by buying even if you’re only chipping things on two weekends (and you could resell on craigslist or something).

But if they’re renting out a $2000 model, I’m not sure how fair it is to compare to the $400 model (I’m not a wood chipper expert).

Wood chippers might be a bad example. I’d think if you need one, you need one multiple times – chipping branches every fall at a cabin, things like that.

But overall, yeah, you make a good point that the rental prices can change the tipping point in rent vs. buy.

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No, conflating them doesn’t make any sense. You bring home the tool from the tool library, and you bring it back when you’re done. It’s one extra trip vs. going to the hardware store to buy the tool. The concerns about mismeasurements and extra trips don’t apply.

You’d have a point if the thread were about maker spaces, I’ll give you that. As it stands, though, I’d say your concerns are misdirected.

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Counterpoint: You go to the store to buy the saw you think you’ll need, come home, cut the first piece – boom, same realization. Same time-sink to go back to the store. I don’t think that’s a concern unique to tool libs.

need one weird tool

Well, yeah. We’re talking more expensive things that you only need for one project, or maybe a couple of times. Not the screwdriver set that you use for everything from box-cutting to adjusting the screws on your cabinet doors when they seem wonky.

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Ha, fair enough. Yeah, a quick search shows low-end torque wrenches available for like $25. It’s hard to see a rental making sense at that scale.

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The next project that happens

If you’re doing multiple projects where you need that same tool, that does tilt the scale towards buying. Rentals are best for one-off things.

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Or just sort of stand in the door, considering whether now is REALLY the time to go out or whether it would be better to go out later.

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I read the wiki page. Pretty barebones, but it did link to www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34705968

In theory, I could entertain an argument about having criminals repay some of the costs of dealing with them, that’s not what’s going on here.

The sum that is able to be collected doesn’t go straight into the county coffers, either - the jail contracts with a company

The jail gets 30%, the company gets 70%.

It really just looks like just another way to exploit prisoners for profit.

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Trying to offset the cost of a societal need by charging fees to prisons (sic) doesn’t even make any sense.

Sure it does. It costs $$$ to build jails and prisons and more $$$ to run them. Why should I, the victim, have to pay twice? (once for my car, which the thief stole, and again in my taxes to fund the legal system once the thief is caught)

I can very much entertain an argument like that (counter-argument, pay prisoners minimum wage for whatever work they do and charge the $20/day from that).

But that’s not what’s going on here.

This is about a collection agency figuring out how to profit from a captive audience. It deserves the same regard from us as prison phone operators do.

It’s really just another form of predatory bullshit.

The prisons themselves say they aren’t a significant revenue stream

This is crucial here, IMO. We could put whatever we want on the bills – hell, we could charge a million dollar fee for each sentence! That would fix the funding problems – but the simple truth is that most of the prisoners don’t have the money.

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But the important thing was to tie an onion on your belt, as it was the style at the time.

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Okay? I don’t understand what point you might be trying to make with this statement, even if it were true.

But the actual figure is 45% for drug offenses. That is the single biggest category, but I find it disingenuous to characterize “less than half” as “overwhelming majority”.

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No, it’s incredibly misleading. When you said that, I expected to find something like 80% of prisoners are there because of drugs. Instead, I find that it’s less than half.

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OK, now I have to.

“Perfect” example of unnecessary quotation marks.

Perfect “example” of unnecessary quotation marks.

Perfect example of “unnecessary” quotation marks.

Perfect example of unnecessary “quotation marks”.

elephantium,
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I suggest using the Block User button when you see something that sparks this type of reaction. I make liberal use of it myself, and I have a much better time on Lemmy as a result.

elephantium,
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Eh, that’s different. Police officers choose the profession. Trans folks aren’t choosing the trans life, they’re discovering who they really are (maybe I should have just quipped “…the trans life chose them”, ha).

There’s nothing wrong with trying to avoid assholes, but when you start painting with a broad brush like that, well, it does smack of bigotry. Same energy as racists who memorize arrest statistics and then say things like “It’s not racist if it’s true!”

Also, to be clear: I don’t mean to accuse you of anything. I just see some uncomfortable parallels.

Personally, I don’t have a lot of experience in this area. I’ve really only been acquainted with two trans people, and I don’t/didn’t know them very well (I say didn’t because I haven’t seen the one person since before covid). Both were friends-of-friends type acquaintances that I’d see at game nights and the like.

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That still doesn’t make a lick of sense in this context. It has the feel of someone picking the wrong word entirely.

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EN-UK vs EN-US thing

That might be it. Circumvent in this context would make perfect sense to me, but circumnavigate threw me for a loop.

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