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hugovk

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Python core developer, PSF Fellow, open-source maintainer, PEP editor, NaNoGenMo organiser, winter bicycler

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webology, to random
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@ThePSF Hey, when is PSF Member Lunch?

The topic came up, and only one person out of eight (including your next PyCon US Chair) didn't get one. I didn't have it either. We also looked on the schedule and didn't see it?

hugovk,
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@iqbalabd @webology @ThePSF It's on Saturday, 18th May.

It was posted to the PSF Member Announcements mailing list on 18th April:

๐Ÿ”’ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/psf-members-announce@python.org/thread/PNHTNLJW3SVIB2MWVKYBTUKOFTBCE65R/

And Discourse on 29th April:

https://discuss.python.org/t/pycon-us-2024-launches/37740/12

hugovk,
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@iqbalabd @webology @ThePSF I agree, this is good feedback to send for next year.

As a member you can join the mailing list here.
https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/psf-members-announce.python.org/

It is low traffic: two emails this year, four last year. Yesterday they sent info about the PSF board election timetable, also here:

https://pyfound.blogspot.com/2024/05/psf-board-election-dates-for-2024.html

hugovk,
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@iqbalabd There should still be places left, see https://fosstodon.org/@ThePSF/112411779495717071 for how to register.

hugovk, to python
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Next month, @the_compiler is organising a pytest sprint in Austria, next to the Swiss border.

There's also a possibility for paid travel/accommodation.

See https://github.com/pytest-dev/sprint for more info and signup.

hugovk,
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@webknjaz @the_compiler It is! You should!

frostming, to random Chinese

Wow, https://pyoven.org was on @pythonbytes

https://pythonbytes.fm/episodes/show/381/python-packages-in-the-oven

Thanks @mkennedy and @brianokken

hugovk,
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@frostming @pythonbytes @mkennedy @brianokken Can you adjust the chart to only include full weeks? It looks a bit odd to get a sudden dip at the end, and for some charts, a sudden rise at the start.

tonybaloney, to random
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Spot what's new ๐Ÿง

hugovk,
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@tonybaloney ๐ŸŽจ

markwalker, to python
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I need a way to programatically purge fastly at the end of a deployment (Jenkins).

Anybody doing something like this?

hugovk,
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@markwalker Yes, we do it when deploying the PEPs website to GitHub Pages, like this:
https://github.com/python/peps/blob/2257e94edfd3a1e38aa402ea10b83c571306de34/.github/workflows/render.yml#L62

sethmlarson, to random
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Rearranging the jobs and dependencies to reduce risk in the CPython release process. Reduces the source artifacts build from over 800 dependencies to ~170.

Read more: https://sethmlarson.dev/security-developer-in-residence-weekly-report-35

hugovk,
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@sethmlarson You didn't mention another nice benefit: because they run in parallel, it now takes 24 minutes end-to-end instead of 48!

hugovk, to python
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It's always fun to see the layers of history when looking at the Git blame of CPython.

Here's an Initial revision from 34 years ago, and GIL removal from 3 months ago.

https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/a3af3cb4f424034b56404704fdf8f18e8c0a9982 #Python #CPython #Git #GitBlame #history

bitprophet, to random
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Github Actions' "reusable workflows" seems completely bass-ackwards. Is this thing useful for anybody? It certainly isn't intuitive.

hugovk,
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@bitprophet We're using them to DRY big chunks of config.

For example, see where:

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/.github/workflows/reusable-ubuntu.yml

is used in:

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/.github/workflows/build.yml

sethmlarson, to random
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Having to dust off my Keybase account for the first time since 2020... ๐Ÿ˜ฉ

hugovk,
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@sethmlarson Same...

danzin, to python
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There's this very useful and widely used tool, @coveragepy, that creates HTML coverage reports and uses in them.

I have proposed a simple PR to fix a small issue in sorting columns in the reports: https://github.com/nedbat/coveragepy/pull/1768/files

However, I'm very bad at .

The behavior is working as intended, but I can't shake the feeling that my JS code is awful in some way I can't see.

Could you take a quick look at the diff and point out anything that should be improved? TIA!

hugovk,
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@danzin @coveragepy One tip: avoid var, use let or const instead:
https://stackoverflow.com/a/11444416/724176

hugovk, to python
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I have a little site that shows the most downloaded packages from PyPI, updated monthly:

https://hugovk.github.io/top-pypi-packages/

Inspired by this, Vladimir Iglovikov has made a nice leaderboard showing the change from last month:

https://pypilb.vercel.app

Baa, to random
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Maybe the python container isn't a great use-case... is this why everyone uses alpine?

hugovk,
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@Baa Yes, it's improving but Docker builds can be slower due to a lack of musl wheels: https://pythonspeed.com/articles/alpine-docker-python/

hynek, to random
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Positively surprised that Ubuntu Noble is shipping Python 3.12!

hugovk,
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@eichin @hynek And with good overlap of upstream support for most of it: Python 3.12 is EOL in October 2028, Ubuntu 24.04 until June 2030.

https://peps.python.org/pep-0693/
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-notes/39890

Some library maintainers support an EOL Python version until certain distros carrying that Python are also EOL; this will help them upgrade sooner.

mariatta, to random
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After telling you all to sign up for PyCon US activities before they sell out I, Mariatta, PyCon US 2024 conference chair, also forgot to sign up for PyLadies Luncheon and now they're sold out ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ

hugovk,
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@mariatta "Do as I say, not as I do"

hugovk, to python
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Hey! I will (I state numerally) to Python, enact the three fullstop four-teen release managerrr, yes.

https://discuss.python.org/t/python-3-14-3-15-release-manager/51812?u=hugovk

hugovk,
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@hynek Thanks! ๐Ÿฅฒ

nedbat, to random
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Always good to follow @hugovk 's lead on these things. I adjusted my workflows a little differently: https://github.com/nedbat/coveragepy/commit/41e01d3ef0f98ec256173fd1864488cc72ab6f73#diff-2dcad576de77b3d5156ec1976a4f88236339c48a6000beda4885b0fe8e3ba006L33-R74

https://mastodon.social/@hugovk/112320493602782374

hugovk,
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@nedbat Oh, that's a nice method, it felt a little odd doing an exclude then include

hugovk,
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@nedbat GitHub has now added 3.8 and 3.9 to macos-latest:

https://github.com/actions/setup-python/issues/808#issuecomment-2077670184

hugovk,
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@nedbat Yes, there's a version-manifest.json at https://github.com/actions/setup-python/blob/main/docs/advanced-usage.md#available-versions-of-python-pypy-and-graalpy

But the problem here is GitHub originally planned not to include 3.8 and 3.9 in macos-14. People requested them months ago.

However, this week they flipped macos-latest from macos-13 to macos-14 and only after getting more feedback changed their plans to include them.

hugovk,
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@nedbat Hmm, before https://github.com/actions/python-versions/blob/3545308dfe455fc60ca933830a35171e2bdd5900/versions-manifest.json had:

python-3.8.10-darwin-x64.tar.gz

Now, https://github.com/actions/python-versions/blob/main/versions-manifest.json has:

python-3.8.10-darwin-arm64.tar.gz
python-3.8.10-darwin-x64.tar.gz

hugovk, to python
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โ„น๏ธ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ”ง Have 3.8 and 3.9 started failing for macos-latest on ?

As the 14 migration rolls out, macos-latest points to , and @github is currently only planning on supporting 3.10+ on :

https://github.com/actions/setup-python/issues/696#issuecomment-1637587760

The fix is to use macos-13 (or macos-12) for 3.8 and 3.9, here's a couple of ways:

https://github.com/python/peps/pull/3763

Or replace macos-latest with macos-13 for all, but there's nice speedups with where available:

https://mastodon.social/@hugovk/111846949657442324

hugovk,
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No need for this any more, @github has now added 3.8 and 3.9 to macos-14 aka macos-latest aka aka aka on :

https://github.com/actions/setup-python/issues/808#issuecomment-2077670184

treyhunner, to python
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What meetups are still either meeting remotely or hosting remote talks?

hugovk,
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@treyhunner @ThePSF You're welcome!

Of course, not every group is on Meetup, and not every Meetup group is in the PSF Network, but groups can apply to be hosted which also covers the monthly fees:

https://psfmember.org/grant-proposals/
https://www.python.org/psf/grants/faq/

(I'm currently applying for @helpy to join.)

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