ottaross,
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It's funny, when the web and personal computers first got started, recipes were often cited as the 'killer app' hauled out whenever an enthusiast wanted to explain why regular people would want a machine in their home, or why they'd use the 'net.

Now some 30yrs later, it seems like recipe sites are the harbingers of everything wrong with the web. So many of them are now mostly SEO-laden link-farms, and ad-revenue trash.

#enshittification #webHistory #recipes

gnomon,
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@ottaross recipes are still a killer app, it's just the web that has become shittier. You know what remains awesome? Recipe databases and the tools that let you search them with queries like "what can I make in 30 minutes including waiting time" or "what can I make with fresh kale and potatoes".

https://github.com/Chobbes/org-chef

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/

https://microformats.org/wiki/recipe-formats

ottaross,
@ottaross@mastodon.social avatar

@gnomon nice resources! Need to check that out.

YurkshireLad,
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@ottaross I die inside when my wife is using a recipe she found online. She normally reads it using her phone or tablet, and 90% of the screen is ads. 🤦

And yes I've tried to set her up with an ad blocker but she still doesn't understand that an in app browser and a browser are not the same things.

ottaross,
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Here's how you craft a web page for a hot dog recipe:

Paragraph1: Ah, those hot dogs of my youth!

P2: When I first made a hotdog of my own

P3: What is a hotdog anyway?

P4: Dogs - are they really hot?

P5: What is hot, relatively speaking

P6: Hotdogs around the world

P7: Here are links to my home-made condiments that you might want on your hot dog.

P8: Recipe - stick a wiener in a bun

P9: Let's summarize.

Plumbert,
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@ottaross P8.1 - here is a link to a video library full of videos of people assembling hot dogs.

ottaross,
@ottaross@mastodon.social avatar

@Plumbert P9.1: Join my Patreon to see my hotdog bloopers reel

darwinwoodka,
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@ottaross Mastodon: OH MY GOD DON'T GIVE YOUR TODDLER HOT DOGS THEY WILL CHOKE ON THEM LIKE JONI ERNST

ottaross,
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@darwinwoodka Yummy-Mummy bloggers follow up in the comments with their six steps to hotdog-training your toddler, a thread on X where they're still active.

fuzzychef,
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@ottaross

P10: Here are the most popular hot dog posts from last month.

ottaross,
@ottaross@mastodon.social avatar

@fuzzychef
P11: Links to my guest post on hotdogs illustrated.

fuzzychef,
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@ottaross

P12: Now a paid guest post from Maternity Quarterly!

fuzzychef,
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@ottaross

(every web site I host has been approached with an offer of guests posts from some maternity blogger. Like, including my old wiki for x86 builder boards)

ottaross,
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@fuzzychef Ha! must be prime guest-post bait.

fuzzychef,
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@ottaross With that one, I finally responded to the requests.

"I'm curious. What kind of site do you think you've contacted?"

I never got an answer.

Sadly, I think the cause of this is some poor pregnant blogger who is paying someone to "contact 1000 sites" for her.

BenCollver,

@ottaross I invite you to share recipes on the Fidonet NATIONAL COOKING echo. See link below to find a Fidonet BBS. https://gopher.tildeverse.org/tilde.pink/1/~bencollver/recipes/submissions/

ottaross,
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@BenCollver nice. Good memories of Usenet and Gopher ecosystem

OkayKay,

@ottaross
Years ago I hosted my own food website and what many people don't realize it takes anywhere from 4 to 9 HOURS to cook, photograph, edit photos, write up, format and upload the post.
We don't get paid a fuckin' penny to do it, except the money made from the ads we would add to each post. BTW 1 click on an ad pays the host less than 1cent. That's why there are a shit ton of ads ... to make a few bucks to cover the cost of ingredients and our time.
One more thing ...
When I started, I posted a kale recipe and I was immediately contacted by other website hosts that told me to post more using the meta data Super Food. I asked them was kale really a super food. They said who cares, it's making us money. Many hosts will say anything to make a few dollars. But most hosts are friendly and will work with each other to expand their possibilities of more exposure. Except one. She would sick her husband's expensive lawyers on you. She now has a TV show on the food channel. The rich are nasty and always win.

ottaross,
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@OkayKay sounds like a dog-eat-dog world in food blog content creation.

kaybee335,
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@ottaross I hope it wasn't the marzipan recipe page that dropped you in it! 😂

If so, my apologies.

ottaross,
@ottaross@mastodon.social avatar

@kaybee335 they're all pretty much the same now, so seeing it on a daily basis.

kaybee335,
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@ottaross true enough.

As long as there is a clear Jump To Recipe link I tend to ignore it. If the recipe seems worthwhile it's just going to get snipped into Paprika anyway and I likely won't have to deal with it again

ottaross,
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@kaybee335 good strategy. I tend to switch to reader mode immediately before the pop-ups and mouse-tracking kicks in and then either screenshot or copy/paste into a plain-text doc.

kaybee335,
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@ottaross I'm too disorganised and chaotic (not to mention my own finely honed procrastination skill) to manage my recipes as text files.

I've used Paprika since my iPod Touch days and been nothing but happy with it. The snipping capabilities are superb.

Last time I checked (admittedly a while ago) the recipes were stored in a sqlite database so they can be retrieved if necessary.

ottaross,
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@kaybee335 Sounds like a good option. Sqlite is a nice gentle db format to recover from if anything went wrong.

kaybee335,
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@ottaross just saw this toot and thought it may match up well with your technique.

https://mastodon.neilzone.co.uk/@neil/111512029476532016

ottaross,
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@kaybee335 nice, clearly the common complaint is fostering some creativity to address it.

fuzzychef,
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@ottaross This has been even sadder when applied to the big food-content sites. Here's the business trajectory followed by every single one of them, including Serious Eats, Food 52, NYT Cooking. Effectively this model was pioneered by Cook's Illustrated.

  1. Hire a bunch of food celebrities and kit out a test kitchen and have them create high-quality original content for you for 2-5 years.

  2. Once you have a large enough library of original content, lay everyone off ...

fuzzychef,
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@ottaross ...

  1. Profit off the traffic to you library of old popular content. Periodically, to make things seem fresh, change the dates on old articles. Hide/remove any "latest content" feeds.

This model is so pervasive that even solo food site efforts are starting to follow it, basically focusing on SEO-friendly re-publishing of their old content than writing anything new.

The blogosphere is dead.

ottaross,
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@fuzzychef True - it's killing the space. I guess they figure food is somewhat timeless, so they can milk it for years.

I tend to try for a BBC recipe first when searching as they tend to at least get to the point directly… although they seem to be getting more ad-ridden as of late.

qui_oui,
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@ottaross And now I'm sticking them in an Obsidian vault when I find them, because eventually those web pages disappear, too!

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