Trying to help move a few communities off reddit. Confused about Kbin vs Lemmy and some of the migration tools.

Hello All,

I'm trying to assist in migrating a few subs over to Kbin/Lemmy, I'm still confused on the difference between Kbin and Lemmy.

Regardless, have been looking into tools to migrate content from the subs, and came across this one https://github.com/rileynull/RedditLemmyImporter

However, the readme assumes readers have knowledge they don't have, so it's for example not clear to me if it's possible to "import" the database created by this tool to an existing lemmy instance or if I would need to create an entirely new instance just to host the content (and then what? can instances be "merged"?)

Thanks for your time in advance.

NotAPenguin,

Lemmy devs are tankies(support authoritarian regimes under the guise of 'communism'): https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/47012/-/comment/196579

Neato,
Neato avatar

Fuck tankies.

Red fascists is a good term I haven't heard before. Do we have confirmation kbin admins/devs aren't similarly minded?

NotAPenguin,

No concrete proof but Ernest at least hasn't said or done anything heinous in public

Varyag,

Yeah, yeah, we all know that. But the tech they're developing is useful, and other Lemmy instances are not modded or controlled by them.

ritswd,

Lemmy and Kbin are very similar, it’s reasonable to be confused. Very important, Lemmy instances and Kbin instances can interact with each other’s content, so whatever your choice ends up being won’t be about content since they have effectively the same content.

The difference between the two lies in some behavior differences (for instance, Lemmy intentionally doesn’t have a karma system, and Kbin does), in their very different web UXs, and since their APIs are different, the native apps talking to each are also different apps.

There’s also an ideological aspect, the creators of Lemmy initially created it because they were finding Reddit content to be too US-centric. Some say that they support communist dictatorships, but I’ve looked a bit, and evidence of that is flimsy, it looks more like they decided not to suppress anti-American content on their instance, and people may have extrapolated a bit. Or maybe there is truth to the rumor and it’s just well-hidden? 🤔 I believe the creator of Kbin started it because he disagreed with what he understood as the ideology of Lemmy’s creators.

I’m on Lemmy because it and its apps are more mature, and I’m not convinced by karma systems and what they may incentivize. And because I don’t find the case for the creators being extremists to be very convincing, from what I’ve seen. But Kbin looks pretty decent too.

I’m afraid I don’t don’t have answers to your other questions, but I thought I’d inform on this.

TheRazorX,

Thank you very much for the informative response, much appreciated!

trynn,
trynn avatar

There's evidence in the modlogs that the Lemmy developers (who are also the admins of lemmy.ml) have been banning users and removing posts from lemmy.ml with a reason of 'orientalism' or 'racism' when those users say anything mildly critical of China.
So it's a bit more than just refusing to suppress anti-American content on their instance.

NotAPenguin,

The evidence of Lemmy devs being tankies who deny human rights violations and censor negative talk about the CCP is not filmsy.

https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/47012/-/comment/196579

Cloudless,
Cloudless avatar

https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/47012/-/comment/196579

Read right here if you don't bother to click the link and see the "flimsy evidence".

Here is one of the Lemmy devs denying that the Uyghur genocide in China is happening:

https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq954mu/

"The Uyghur genocide is as real as white genocide."

Here they are again denying it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq951cv/

"The holocaust was a genocide that actually happened, with all the evidence that goes along with it. There is no Uyghur genocide."

"Do you believe in anything as soon as the word "genocide" gets attached to it? What about "white genocide"? Are you a white genocide denier?"

And just so nobody can deny that parentis_shotgun is a Lemmy dev: -

"I'm one of the devs of Lemmy" https://i.imgur.com/5kp9BP0.png

Direct links to the posts will not work but still exist on the user's profile page: https://old.reddit.com/user/parentis_shotgun/ - hold PgDn until comments stop loading then Control+F. In fact feel free to peruse their history in general - it's quite interesting.

One of my favorite posts is their defense of the government of North Korea in /r/AskTankies: https://old.reddit.com/r/asktankies/comments/tb1836/okay_but_dprk_seriously/i04d1wu/

Now ask yourself why would someone who is not a Red Fascist Tankie piece of shit be answering questions on behalf of Tankies in /r/AskTankies while defending a totalitarian regime? Is it... perhaps because they're in support of such a regime because they are in fact a Tankie piece of shit?

ryan,

Regardless of what method you use to import to a community or magazine eventually, start using the first steps in your linked page to export the backups of the subreddits immediately. That will give you breathing room to eventually be able to import them if you find a solution, even after the API is deprecated.

rm_dash_r_star,
@rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee avatar

Kbin and Lemmy can access the same content. It's more a matter of which you like better. Lemmy is more popular and if most of your communities of interest are on Lemmy it will be easier to find and subscribe to them. If you have more magazines of interest on Kbin then that might be easier. Kbin calls them magazines and Lemmy calls them communities but they're the same thing.

Instances can not be merged as far as I know. An instance is a virtual or physical server that lives on the internet running the Lemmy or Kbin software. Instances synchronize automatically with other instances on the Fediverse using the ActivityPub protocol. If there is a way to merge two instances, you'd need to be the admin (owner) of both instances and do some data base gyration between them. It would be involved.

The better route is to simply sign up with an instance that allows user community creation. In that case you can set up your community and put whatever content you want on it. I haven't looked at that importer software, but it's not really going to be a big help if it requires you to be the admin of the upload instance. Unless of course you do actually want to run your own instance.

Anyone can set up an instance, but it's not a trivial thing to do if you're not already familiar with running an internet server. You can certainly learn, but it will be a fairly involved project when starting from ground zero.

TheRazorX,

Thank you!

BrikoX,

It requires access to the Lemmy instance database.

Curious_Canid,
@Curious_Canid@lemmy.world avatar

If should check with some Lemmy admins about that. Someone might be willing to import the data for you. Or you could stand up your own instance of Lemmy.

TheRazorX,

thanks!

Would you happen to know of any tools that don't require DB access?

BrikoX,

You could use a bot to repost your content github.com/SleeplessOne1917/lemmy-bot though there is more value in just creating unique content as Reddit posts are probably already archived.

TheRazorX,

thank you!

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