@ilumium@murena /e/OS lacks basic privacy/security patches. That's the bare minimum for having privacy. It doesn't keep the basic privacy/security model intact either.
Moving to a device with an extremely insecure OS is not going to improve people's privacy.
People would be far better off simply using an iPhone than taking the harmful advice you're giving people.
You believe you're helping people and promoting privacy but in reality you're doing the opposite and are causing real world harm.
@ilumium@murena Has the amount of free memory you have increased after installing /e/OS? I have to admit the main reason I want to de-Google my phone is all the Google apps I never use but cannot remove, and the fact that with each new Android release, I have to remove still more of the apps I really do want to use because Android is now so bloated it eats up all the space!
@simon_brooke@ilumium@murena if you want a really blank slate, @GrapheneOS is the way to go. I think both @e_mydata and @calyxos are also light on "extra" apps, but not to the extent of Graphene.
And before you reply Oh they're just stealing from #LineageOS and also use an outdated #Bromite and there is still connections with Google servers, etc:
Yes, but the OS ships with an auto-updating app store, a free email address plus @nextcloud account, and a fully functioning @microg. This is what non-techies need.
@paolo@ilumium It always uses multiple Google services whether or not microG is used. See https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm which covers some but not all of the non-microG Google connections. They integrate microG with privileged access and that makes connections to Google too, and unfortunately without preserving important standard security checks for those.
This really doesn't matter compared to the disaster of having such incomplete and significantly delayed privacy/security patches and other issues.
@GrapheneOS Interesting link, thank you. Do you have any plans to expand the types of devices you support? I'd love to be able to use Graphene on the open hardware Fairphone 5.
@forteller Fairphone 5 is not open hardware. It's a proprietary smartphone with a completely proprietary SoC and other components. Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, cellular, touchscreen, battery, SSD, memory and everything else it uses is proprietary. It's not clear where you got the idea that it's open hardware. Many people are also under the misconception that the Librem and Pinephone devices are open hardware when they are not.
Fairphones are blatantly insecure and don't meet many of our requirements.
Anyways, will we forever have to choose between supporting Google monetarily or using a less privacy aware ROM, or will you ever support other devices (with warnings and caveats)?
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