Is Lemmy a biased platform?

Hi new user here. I’ve been checking out Lemmy but the amount of bias is ruining it for me. For example the front page right now has 7 out of 20 submissions that contain the word Trump in a negative context. I don’t care about Trump but when the front page is all political posts attacking Trump I have to wonder about the health of the site.

In the most simple sense, could Republican submissions survive on Lemmy politics community ignoring the voting behavior or would the site and moderators itself actively suppress it to “keep the peace”? I think this gets to the heart of the question and again, this isn’t political to me, it’s purely mechanical. I think that if a social media site has a community called “politics” that is solely made up of stories promoting one party while shitting on the other then the entire site is inherently flawed. It isn’t being genuine in what it offers and is incapable of providing it.

It’s like if you had a community named “cars” but you’re only allowed to talk positively about certain manufacturers. Imagine most people either like Ford or Chevy but on the “cars” community it “just so happens” that everyone there likes Ford.

You can post about Chevy but you have to be careful about how reliable the information is. You have an article that says Chevy’s new SUV produces 500 horsepower? Well, that source isn’t reliable. In fact this Ford biased source did a study showing it only produces 400 horsepower. You think that isn’t a reliable source? This Ford biased bias checker agrees that your Chevy source is biased but our Ford source is not biased. No, we can’t just give people information and let them decide for themselves. That’s dangerous. We can only give them our rock solid Ford sources in order to protect humanity.

Did you comment that you sometimes prefer Chevy for certain things? Well, in this Ford biased community that’s not going to go over well. Now you have 1000 downvotes and 100 comments calling you an idiot. Try to defend your opinions? Too bad, you can only respond every 15 minutes. You have too many downvotes. Well, look at that, the dumb Chevy poster realized he is a moron and had nothing to say in response. Clearly the Ford posters were right again. After all, just look at all those downvotes and comments and the Chevy poster didn’t even reply.

So what do you end up with?

You get a “cars” community, a “ford” community, and a “chevy” community but you’re not allowed to talk about Chevy in cars. You can only organically talk about Chevy in the Chevy community. That is until the site administrators start getting involved and deciding that really it isn’t safe for humanity to let Chevy people talk about Chevy in the Chevy community. They’ve been posting unreliable sources in there, using bad language towards Ford posters, and so on. It’s a dangerous hate community so we’re going to shut it down. You can talk about Chevy in the cars community if you want.

Then you get biased Ford stories under the “cars” community showing up on the front page. Anyone who prefers Chevy will never have their submissions seen because it is relegated to a smaller community that algorithmically won’t show up. If it somehow does get big and popular enough the admins step in and boot it or artificially step on promoting it.

Again, I don’t care about politics and you can substitute Biden for Trump and make comparisons to other social media sites. I’m simply asking if Lemmy is offering anything different with regards to this situation.

Can someone explain how it is different from the Reddit moderator and suppression rules? So far Lemmy is producing the same biased garbage I see on Reddit so I’d like to know if this is a function of Lemmy itself like it is on Reddit or if it’s just echos of Reddit that could one day go away. Is Lemmy something new or is it just for people who loved NuReddit but are mad about the API changes?

Dressedlikeapenguin,

It feels like you’re fishing for a “go fuck yourself, and your poorly disguised concern trolling” comment. Congrats, you’ve caught one.

Bluetreefrog,

Borderline comment. I’ll leave it here, but tone it down please.

Dressedlikeapenguin,

Will do. My apologies.

hypelightfly,

Why is telling a troll to go fuck themselves borderline? That's exactly what everyone should do.

whyisitalways,

Actually I’m asking what I asked and interacting with Lemmy for the first time. Did I know it would be contentious? Yes, but that is part of the point. I wanted to see how contentious content is treated so you’re somewhat right.

It looks pretty good actually. I was able to post and comment with a new account without being restricted 100 different ways even while posting something that might upset some people. I don’t want platform level restrictions being driven by stupid group think and brigade activity. That’s about it.

traches,

There aren’t two sides to every issue, reasonable people can’t differ on everything. Your trump example illustrates this perfectly: at this point no reasonable person has a positive view of him.

whyisitalways,

That may be but I do know that many reasonable people are sick of hearing about him. This isn’t really about Trump it’s about how Lemmy functions algorithmically being too closely modeled on Reddit resulting in a biased platform. The destruction of Reddit’s politics subreddit occurred many years after its’ launch and with a lot of active interference from the site owners and moderators whereas on Lemmy it is starting in a biased state. It also doesn’t have to be about politics, it can be any number of contentious topics. My concern is that Lemmy is just copying Reddit and therefore will end up in the same place. What is new here? Why is Lemmy not going to turn into bought and paid for shill posts and comments astroturfing everything like Reddit?

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

Perhaps, if you're sick of hearing about a major American politician, unsubscribe from a community that is exclusively focused on American politics?

Just a thought.

traches,

You’re observing the current state of american politics manifested in a discussion platform - one side is saying “hey maybe there are things more important than shareholder value?” and the other is banning books because they were written by minorities and taking kids away from their parents for providing them healthcare.

Regardless, you’re the one who brought up posts mentioning trump. He’s in the news a lot because it’s finally looking like he’ll see some consequences for all the criming he did.

whyisitalways,

That’s just your bias. Everyone is biased but social media platforms don’t have to be designed to kettle people and feed their biases as correct. Let me put it this way using your own words…

current state of american politics manifested in a discussion platform

If that is true, can you show me the people talking about banning books because they were written by minorities and taking kids away from their parents for providing them healthcare? Even further, can you show me them talking about it in the POLITICS community?

I’m willing to bet that you can’t because this isn’t representative of the current state of American politics. It’s a one sided biased discussion absent this “other side” you’re referring to yet that “other side” is equal in numbers so where are they? Why are they so completely absent?

If I do post anti-Biden stories in politics or make anti-Biden comments in politics how long until I’m limited in some way compared to anti-Trump users? That is what I’m getting at. Does the platform support functionality to bias communities or does it actually rely on the users like old social media? Will my comments be time restricted? Will I be shadow banned? Will people have to click to expand my comment? How much will the platform itself interfere in these ways that create echo chambers?

PM_me_your_vagina_thanks,

Those backwards cunts do not exist in equal numbers, they're just fucking loud, and due to being extraordinarily fucking dumb, probably only figured out how to reddit in the past year or two, so good luck finding any here lmfao.

whyisitalways,

They absolutely do exist in similarly equal numbers. Just because you censor people it doesn’t make them go away in the real world.

hypelightfly,

I just wanted to stop in and say go fuck yourself.

Your trolling in not as clever as you think.

PM_me_your_vagina_thanks,

lmao, sure thing bro

whyisitalways,

The whole “they’re a fringe minority” claim is bizarre when Trump won the election and last election set records. Republicans and Democrats are roughly equivalent in numbers and so are their fringe crazies, who are increasing in number. Eventually the much larger majority of Americans who isn’t affiliated with a party and doesn’t vote will weigh in on this nonsense.

PM_me_your_vagina_thanks,

Whatever you say, sweetcheeks.

traches,

I can tell you’re a trumper because you think we have the same cult of personality around biden. I’ll let you in on a secret: none of us like him that much.

whyisitalways,

I’ll let you in on a secret. No one likes Trump or Biden.

Bread,

You will never be able to stop people having biases, I think we have learned that thus far. It is really hard to prevent no matter where you go. What Lemmy allows the individual to do is remove those constantly negative hate groups from being visible for them. Lemmy gives us options, you can block users, communities, and instances. Well that’s great and all, but maybe you still want to see political content, just not negative stuff constantly.

Part of being federated is that we can have multiple politics communities of the same name on many different instances. If you have a power mod suppressing one community, you can go to another or create your own under your rules that you see fit. Some moderators and user dynamics do a really good job at removing biases as best they can for the sake of good journalism.

It is no easy feat to accomplish that, but Lemmy (and the fediverse in general) makes it possible to accomplish. You can’t say that for many other social networks.

ihavenopeopleskills,
ihavenopeopleskills avatar

That's right. I'm not sure if anyone federates with them, but Gab runs Mastodon, which has some ActivityPub compatibility with Kbin on toots / microblogging.

jimmydoreisalefty,

I think it will keep happening. Reddit/Lemmy/9gag/4chan/twitter and others…

It is easy to say Trump=bad, Biden=good, so they keep to it, just look at comedians.

Took years to start seeing other views from comedians that are not a part of MAGA.

Same with Covid.

Thank you for your opinion and for being brave is posting this, knowing it will be downvoted.

Take care and keep the fight going!

shogoll,

Man have you ever considered that the majority of online discussion boards are against Trump because the majority of people are actually against Trump?

jimmydoreisalefty,

You are right on that point, but we need to consider 40% of USA is still Pro-Trump.

Only way to change the views of people is to have civil discussions.

Think of MLK meeting with the KKK. People only start to really get killed when we can join with the other side on policies.

Amazon Union would not have been possible if Chris Smalls came with an anti-trump message.

1984,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Stay out of politics. Enjoy Lemmy.

moobythegoldensock,

Bud, a former president of the US has been indicted for 70 crimes in three different criminal cases, and is likely to be indicted with up to 8 additional crimes in a fourth case. This is the biggest set of indictments since Nixon. The notion that you would expect this not to be major news or that merely reporting on it suggests bias is mind-boggling.

It certainly leads credence to Steven Colbert’s claim, “Reality has a well-know liberal bias.”

charonn0,

“Bias” doesn’t mean “I disagree with it”. It means the speaker is being dishonest about their motives.

In the most simple sense, could Republican submissions survive

Probably not. But that has more to do with the insanity coming out of the Republican party than any sort of unfair “bias” against them. Lying down with dogs and so forth.

hal_5700X,
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, stay out of political communities. Based on my experience in political communities. Lemmy is biased.

ada,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Is Lemmy a biased platform?

Yes, but not biased enough IMO

I’m a trans woman. On the fediverse at large, transphobia isn’t tolerated. It gets shut down hard. Here on lemmy and kbin, it can go either way. Some places are happy to let transphobia slide, which means we have to deal with more hate on the day to day than we do with the rest of the fediverse.

I’d be happy to see more bias towards not indulging transphobes and their hate.

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Your comparison is horrible tbh.

But what you’re asking underneath it all is simple enough.

Lemmy isn’t a single entity. It’s dozens of instances (well, dozens of public ones big enough to notice), with multiple communities on each.

There is a bigger section of users that reject alt-right matters, which is an “oh no. anyway” situation because most instances also reject the left equivalent (tankies) with similar fervor. But there’s communities that are quite friendly to non extremists that are what you’d call conservative overall, if you go looking. But the major instances are run by folks that lean liberal, progressive, and/or socialist. It’s just a fact.

I hate to break this next part to you though. Any political based community, subreddit, or forum is going to be a dumpster fire of biased bullshit. And that goes for any segment of political ideology. That’s because people that are emotionally invested in identity politics are nigh unto religious zealots. And they’re the most likely to make posts and comments in those places. They’re also the ones most likely to shoehorn in political bullshit where it doesn’t belong.

That last part is a much bigger issue because it’s harder to avoid.

But, dude, don’t get it twisted. The whole trump part is to be expected. Anyone not expecting high vitriol regarding him is silly. Like, he’s divisive intentionally. He just got indicted, so it’s current news everywhere. This means the posts about him are certainly going to focus on the crimes he’s accused of, which is going to be “negative” if you’re a supporter. If you’re neutral regarding him, it’s still going to read negative because the shit he’s accused of is pretty fucking negative lol. You can’t report on someone accused of serious crimes and it not skew negative unless you ignore anything about the news that’s factual.

But I’m not going to get started on the whole “moderator and suppression” bullshit because it’s utter bullshit.

theywilleatthestars,

Why do you feel that you’re entitled to centrism?

Max_P,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

That’s the cycle of most new platforms. Early adopters are typically tech savvy and highly educated people, who in turn have a strong left tendency and also in general a tendency of questioning the status quo and wanting to improve and change things. It’s fundamentally incompatible with conservatism overall, left or right leaning. A big part of conservative ideology is not just the usual fiscal responsibility yada yada, it’s also resisting fast change and keeping traditions and existing lifestyles. Adopting bleeding edge platforms is bog change and trying out new things. New platforms also tend to reach the left worldwide before the right comes to it, so there will definitely also be a lot of anti-american bias before it essentially gets taken over by mostly americans. Even on Reddit you’d see people go like “Reddit is an english american site go back to your country” rhetoric that just wasn’t there 5-10 years ago.

Facebook when it came out in the late 2000s also leaned very left, before it became mainstream and right wing people started using it too. Same with Twitter, same with even the very early Internet and BBSes and forums. Right wing people are the last to adopt new platforms, after hating on them for a few years.

That said, I think Trump is a bad example in this context. He’s being charged with a third indictment, and done a lot of crime so even on Reddit and TikTok it’s a huge flood of news about it.

Would also help for the right to not be seen as evil if they stopped attacking basic human rights and their stupid pointless war on “wokeness”.

Sami,
@Sami@lemmy.zip avatar

I’m sorry at this point if you don’t see that Trump is a harmful idiot at best then I don’t know what to tell you. Also, fuck Biden too in case you think this is a US republican vs democrat thing because it’s not. People here are mostly left leaning and that extends beyond US politics and their democratic party. Is that a bad thing? Possibly but prominent self identified right wingers on the internet don’t really offer very compelling reasons to listen to them in all honesty.

whyisitalways,

Whole point is lost on you and has nothing to do with Trump.

collegefurtrader,

I didn’t read your whole wall of text but lemmy does have a strong alt-left / marxist / anti-western population

lolcatnip,

Negative posts about a criminal? How strange!

whyisitalways,

Whole point is lost on you and has nothing to do with Trump.

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