This shit is still happening, yet people are still complaining about the restaurant industry crumbling.
Where I live, there isn’t a separate minimum wage for servers, bartenders, etc. Minimum wage is minimum wage across the board. Despite this, tips are still expected because of the US, and certain people complain that the new normal should be 30%.
I’m not broke, but I’m also certainly not rich. If the only options are to throw away money to people earning about the sams amount that I make, or not going at all, I’m not going. I’ll tip well for good/decent service, but an attitude like the one in this post would guarantee that I would never return. I work too hard for my money to be obligated to give it away.
I’ve seen so many articles about Millenials/Gen Z killing various industries. They want us to pay for all of these extras, but with what money? Of COURSE a lot people are going to eventually stop going to these places. Places that tend to have this general attitude close pretty quickly in my city, because there are many places that don’t have that attitude, and are also inviting to customers. Those places get the tips.
I’ll tip a complete stranger before I ever tip someone for being snitty.
I think the restaurant industry NEEDS to be culled. By about 80% We reached 100% restaurant saturation a couple of decades ago. You can’t swing a cat without hitting the side of a McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy’s or pizza place.
Tipping culture in the U.S. is fucked. Who does it benefit most? The employers who are able to underpay their workers. (Even minimum wage these days is horrifically low.)
The companies are able to externalize the wages they should be paying to their customers, who really pay huge portions of the employees’ “wage”. (E.g. I’m a gig worker doing deliveries, and more than HALF my pay comes from tips.)
If you don’t tip or tip very low, you’re using the employer’s negligence as an excuse not to pay the service workers a living wage. For this reason, when considering engaging with the service industry, you should assume you will pay a healthy tip, unless the service worker truly and massively drops the ball. If you can’t afford a healthy (20%) tip, then you can’t actually afford the service.
If you don’t tip or tip very low, you’re using the employer’s negligence as an excuse not to pay the service workers a living wage.
If you can’t afford a healthy (20%) tip, then you can’t actually afford the service.
What are you getting at, really? The tipping culture is fucked, and yet it falls on us, not the employers, to unfuck this shit?
Don’t tell me you’re one of those people who acknoledge climate change is due to the big corporations, but it is the consumers’ responsibility to save the earth.
I’m not from US, and when I’m from, we’d pay only as much as we’re legally obligated to, unless the service is really good.
Those who tip well generally make up for those who don’t. And those who don’t tip DO pay the restaurant.
What would happen if tips were removed and prices adjusted so the price for everyone was the average of bill+tips?
The cheap bastards who don’t tip right now but keep the business afloat would stop going out because it’s “too expensive,” and those who tip well would be paying a lower average price, so there would end up being less money going to the restaurant AND the staff, while all the fixed expenses would stay the same.
Reality is the current shitty system actually maximizes income for waitstaff.
Waiting tables is one of the few career paths where someone can make a living wage without any special certifications, licenses, or education. Tips are why that works.
I used to work in a restaurant.I got paid $2 less than minimum wage and split tips with the rest of the staff, guaranteed to make at least minimum wage. What would have MAXIMIZED my income would be getting minimum wage as a base pay + tips. All this system does is subsidize the cost of labor for restaurant owners. I get it, running a successful restaurant is tough business if you’re not loaded. Running ANY successful business is tough. Tipping systems favor the business owners primarily over staff and consumers.
I would also assume that a basic minimum wage plus tips system would lead to all but the most generous guests to stop tipping as well. Which would lead to restaurant owners trying to drive talent retention through pay and benefits, rather than relying on the quality of the clientele and their tipping behavior.
Been to several countries and the ones without tipping do not have what would be considered great service here in the US. It was never terrible but if you ever need anything, flagging down a waiter is a pain in the ass. Not that I really care much.
My experience is that the culture is slightly different. You know how rude it is to raise your hand to get a waiter’s attention? Generally it’s the opposite and that approach is preferred. They don’t want to bother you unless you need them and that’s fine.
I’ve had this happen (once) in Ireland before where she came to us twice in about 5 mins, it’s pretty fucking annoying. Asked the girl to set a timer on her watch for 20mins and she’d feel less pressed for time serving everybody else.
Then they can go somewhere that doesn’t expect tips. They’re so disgusted with tipping culture that they refused to tip, yet they still want to give their money to the places that encourage it.
But everyone keeps telling me it’s related to service. Why does the bad server get a cut of the good server’s tips? Doesn’t that defeat the whole point?
Because in the end, it’s not the good servers getting the best tips. It’s the most attractive person of the opposite sex and same race of the majority of the business’s primary customer base.
I live in the UK. If there’s a service charge I always ask the server if the staff actually get any of it. So far they’ve all told me that they do. If they were to tell me it all goes to the restaurant I would not pay the service charge and leave them a cash tip instead. I tend to tip at around 20%
He’s actually full of shit. It wasn’t to pay black waiters less, it was to pay all waiters less when restaurant business plummeted during the prohibition.
After the Constitution was amended in the wake of the Civil War, slavery was ended as an institution but those who were freed from bondage were still limited in their choices. Many who did not end up sharecropping worked in menial positions, such as servants, waiters, barbers and railroad porters. These were pretty much the only occupations available to them. For restaurant workers and railroad porters, there was a catch: many employers would not actually pay these workers, under the condition that guests would offer a small tip instead.
“These industries demanded the right to basically continue slavery with a $0 wage and tip,” Jayaraman says.
Cool. So you get to look like a dick and actively make someone’s life more difficult. You not tipping doesn’t change the employers mind. It just makes someone else’s life worse. Congrats.
What are you talking about? Servers rarely if ever get minimum wage, which federally is still 7.25, which is not enough to live off of. If they were making $23 in many places they’d be doing a lot better. But that’s not the reality of the situation.
He’s an Austrailian pretending a thread about American tipping culture applies to him at all. I guess the min wage in the brush is $23, and he therefore assumes that is the case worldwide because idk egocentrism (thanks Piaget!).
Of course, that is an incredibly reasonable assumption for one to make in a thread about tipping culture, which is primarily American since it came from American prohibition.
I worked in service for years. And I, like most who have worked service, later left it for better opportunities. And yet I’m still 100% against tipping, was back then too.
Is there an argument to be made in favour of it? I find it hard to imagine how an inconsistent unreliable largely donation based income is better than a consistent one, but I’m always open to having my mind changed.
This doesn’t mean I didn’t like receiving tips back then. Nor would I be upset today if you decided to gift me $1000 for my thoughtful contribution to the thread.
Exactly. That should always be up to the business if I remember correctly back in the day they used to give less wages to waiters because the owners knew they would get tips
Currently the minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.13 which the employer pays if the employee tips bring them to minimum wage. If not they’re supposed to make up the difference.
Varies by state of course. Example: Colorado, the tipped employee minimum wage is $10.63.
Service people: “I hate when customers stiff me on a tip or leave a really lousy one.”
Me: “Ok, let’s eliminate/discourage tipping then and just factor a percentage increase into the item prices on the menu instead.”
Service people: “No way, I’ll make less money that way!”
You can’t win, man. I’ve tried to argue with them before. They get one table in a blue moon with added gratuity plus somebody who tips really well on top and they don’t want to let that go. Bartenders are especially contentious about giving up tipping because whale drunks subsidize their entire paycheck.
Essentially, they want all the upside of guilting people into leaving a bigger tip without the downside of occasionally getting somebody who decided that the price on the menu is exactly what they’re going to pay when the bill comes.
Seriously. If you ever want to reconsider your job, ask a waitress how much they make (when they’re not on the job). I was an ugly overweight nerd and still made about $30/hr averaged over the week, working as a part-time uni student. It’s some of the best short-term money someone can make without a degree or connections.
Doubt. Unless you were working at a high end place or a really high traffic place.
Best I ever hit was 12/hour, which sure. Over minimum, but not over what minimum should’ve been at the time. And for the most part it was like 9/hour. Still over minimum but previous point still stands.
Current minimum wage should be slightly under what you’re claiming you made, based on inflation and such. So to fix the tipping problem is a two point issue, raising minimum wage to reflect an appropriate wage based on inflation since inception, and then removing the minimum wage nonsense for tipped employees.
You people that keep claiming they’ll make less with this change is what helps keep this nonsense in pepertuity. It makes the employees think that the employers are the ones that are actually helping them by giving this deal. And painting the customers as the enemy.
The real enemy is corporate. Worker wages haven’t raised since Reagan, but upper management wages have gone through the roof. Because they just pay a modest amount to Congress to keep worker wages stagnant so they can reap huge profits, and then they perpetuate class nonsense like your spewing to keep the target off of their back and onto your neighbors.
Sounds like you were a bad waiter or at the very least worked at a slow restaurant. I worked evenings and bar tended once a week at a national chain that rhymes with Boutack working in the evenings in a college town about 25 hours a week. I said nothing else about minimum wage, etc. so I won’t respond to the rest of your comment but I’ll tell you that no one wants to keep tipping culture more than servers
My hourly pay as a waiter was nearly doubled that of my first corporate job in the same city. Granted, it was fine dining.
Still worth the switch. The job was soul crushing and the 2nd shift, underachiever drug culture wears thin. Everyone should wait tables for a year. Nobody should wait tables for 10 years.
Whale drunks, I watched a bar tender at a concert make a killing on tips because most people use a credit card and the payment process gives you only so many options, easy to click options besides no tip. 18-22% tip on top on drinks that cost 3 times more than they should. When I use cash and buy drinks you get a dollar if that from me, less than ,10% tip.
And you know what’s the worst part. It’s the owner refusing to pay him proper wages that forces this tipping culture in the first place. It’s absolutely atrocious and we shouldn’t even be responsible for making sure they get a living wage. That should always be up to the owner
The owner will 100% always raise wages versus just pack up shop and go out of business entirely if forced. But not out of the goodness of their heart lol.
Yep. California pays their servers the state minimum wage of $15 an hour. They still get tips, and basically no restaurants went out of business when they “suddenly had to pay minimum wage.”
And to the few that did go out of business, I don’t have much sympathy. If you’re unable to run your business in such a way they you make money while paying minimum wage to your employees, go find another job because you weren’t very good at running a restaurant.
If you want to protest the owner’s business model then boycott businesses that have tips. But refusing to tip at a tipped business is still giving 100℅ of your money to the owner, supporting their business, and leaving the employees out to dry. It’s not morally righteous, it’s cheap.
For the downvoters: Any argument against this? He’s clearly right, if you patronize the restaraunt they still get paid and they still don’t have to pay the server shit. “Not tipping” that person didn’t change the culture, it didn’t even hurt the business, the business responsible for this shit to begin with, who got their money. Our only recourse is then to A) Stop eating out all together until the industry collapses and rebuilds tipless, or B) Only go to “no tip” restaraunts if there are any in your area. Any of this half-assed “well the industry needs to just change but I’m not going to do my part to help, I’m just gonna piss off servers and do nothing” bullshit won’t accomplish anything.
Servers want the status quo because they make more money expecting the rest of us to pay 20-30% markup as a tip with the risk of getting stiffed from time to time. Let them demand whatever they feel is a compensatory wage for their time just like the rest of us. They were fine when the scales tipped their way.
IMO servers sold themselves down the river because it allowed them to make more money than back of house staff. Now that everyone is getting tired of this shit it’s the responsibility of the customer to negotiate them a better position? Laughable.
As someone that worked the kitchen and made less than servers while doing as much if not more work, hard pass. Servers are just mad people are getting tired of this shit and they can’t easily double or triple what the person that actually made the food makes.
There’s a difference between “responsibility” and “reality.” Should politicians for instance vote to give themselves term limits and stem their own insider trading? Yes. But if you expect that to happen, “wish in one hand and shit in the other, see which fills up first.”
Similarly, should servers fight for higher wages? Yes. But in reality they have no power in this situation, the customers have more. Even if they unionized, you’re arguing here for crossing the picket lines and continuing to support those struck businesses who then make money to hire scabbers, and wondering why nothing is changing. Even if you’re right and all this falls on servers to magically fix, you’re still then part of the problem. You’d arguably be even more of a problem then.
You may not want to make personal sacrifices to change a system that you want changed, but anything worth doing takes hard work and sometimes sacrifice, it just is what it is.
Go get a better job if you’re unhappy with the responsibility of fighting for your earnings as a server. If nobody chooses to work serving jobs… then restaurants would have to do something more to compensate to bring in servers. Instead servers like the status quo because they make more money by culturally shaming people into donating to them.
they have no power in this situation
Quit. Find better employment. Go be a cook, though they don’t usually make as much as servers despite actually making the food. Funny how that works.
anything worth doing takes hard work and sometimes sacrifice
Just not by the server though right? It’s the customers responsibility to manage the terms of employment for the hapless server in your scenario?
Go get a better job if you’re unhappy with the responsibility of fighting for your earnings as a server.
I did, I was chased out by people like you not tipping, so you did win on that one, even though I’m the only one who suffered for it, the business is doing just fine. Congrats, if your goal was to make it so that I could barely afford rent and food you did a good job, now get to work on making the poor sap who took my place suffer until he quits, and then the one who’ll take his place, and the one who’ll take his…
If nobody chooses to work serving jobs… then restaurants would have to do something more to compensate to bring in servers
Like have you order off a touchscreen? As long as they’re able to find a way to make money off of you they will, and the corporations will just cut out the already thin human element, it’ll be a screen at the table and foodrunners at applebees type shitholes. Most mom and pop places will either just close or become counter service style restaraunts with no servers, like how they run Chipotle. Some will raise prices and try, and hopefully make it, but only time can tell. Of course you’d have fine dining actually pay employees well because they can afford to and their customers can take the price hike and an air of exclusivity to being served by a human rather than a machine.
It’s the customers responsibility to manage the terms of employment for the hapless server in your scenario?
Well, no, I suppose not. If you want restaraunts to not just all be mcdonalds and chipotle clones, then you can continue patronizing them undermining the efforts of servers who do quit, or would theoretically unionize, and there would be no “consequences” from this as you’re in support of souless corporate food giants and counter service only. If however you did want servers then yes, as the restaraunts source of income you would then share in the responsibility in participating in a boycott as they do in either quitting or striking.
I just think it’s crazy that people believe if Steve owns Steve’s Place and Dan works as a server, hurting Dan to spite Steve while still paying Steve the price he requested does anything lmao. It doesn’t and never will. Dan may quit and Cheryl will take his place, then it’ll just be the counter with Bob behind it handing you your card that says “65,” then “Screen” will take his place and the cook will just start yelling “SIXTY FIVE” and having you grab it, don’t forget forks, they’re next to the vending machine.
Funny you assume I don’t tip. I do, and well, unless the service is dog shit. Which is why I know how much more things cost because of tipping. The problem is instead of it being a bonus for quality of service, its become the expectation to make up for the fact that servers choose not to throw their lot in with the rest of the staff and argue for living wages collectively.
Servers have been privileged with making 2-3x more such that the idea of making what the kitchen staff does is seen as being abused. You just don’t want to accept that the employer abuses you, and instead you abuse the customer with your expectations of having them supplement the poor wage you took expecting the customer will make up for it. Meanwhile the kitchen staff has always been abused but you didn’t mind because you got yours. Maybe work together and demand a better lot?
And here’s the scenario you didn’t care to consider. You quit, they don’t get servers because they don’t pay well, and the business shuts down making room for another that can try again with a better model. Dan can seek an employer that doesn’t treat him as a slave to minimize their costs, and Steve can choose to serve food himself or pay someone appropriately to do the work or close up shop. None of which relies on an expectation of a tip because the wage increase you collectively bargained for is baked into the price. So then when a tip is deserved it can be given, but there is no expectation of 20% for refilling my water at a buffet that I served myself at, or less.
I appreciate the discussion, hope you have a good day bud.
Funny you assume I don’t tip. I do, and well, unless the service is dog shit.
Well duh, you’re so adamant against tipping I figured you practiced what you preached. Kinda odd that you do tbh with all this arguing against the practice.
The problem is instead of it being a bonus for quality of service,
Actually, I’d argue that:
I do, and well, unless the service is dog shit.
Means that tipping is still correlated to quality of service. To your point actually, when people used to stiff me for giving them great service, I would be thinking “what the fuck did I do to you? My service was great, I sped like a bitch to get here I know I wasn’t slow, I went like 10mph over (15 is reckless driving)” until of course they just order 2x a week, taking up valuable time I could be getting tipped, but nooooo that dude doesn’t have $3 to let me know he appreciates fast service, so I guess he doesn’t care how long it takes.
its become the expectation to make up for the fact that servers choose not to throw their lot in with the rest of the staff and argue for living wages collectively.
Irrelevant. You would just cross the picket line undermining all efforts those people make. Until the day comes where the customers strike with the bottom-rung empliyees you seem to think have all the power no ammount of striking will change it.
Servers have been privileged with making 2-3x more such that the idea of making what the kitchen staff does is seen as being abused. You just don’t want to accept that the employer abuses you, and instead you abuse the customer with your expectations of having them supplement the poor wage you took expecting the customer will make up for it. Meanwhile the kitchen staff has always been abused but you didn’t mind because you got yours. Maybe work together and demand a better lot?
Idk where you work, but this isn’t the case where I worked. Idk if it’s egocentrism making you think everyone is the same as you, or what, but sorry to break it to you my cook made more than I did, and I got $8/hr plus tips, which in my area is unheard of for drivers, ususally it’s $7.25 in store and like $5 out of store. And another thing, I was using my own car (as delivery drivers usually do) so I had to worry about my gas and extra wear and tear on my car, another reason to give the nice man who just drove your drunk lazy ass a pizza like three whole dollars (I know, we’re asking for SO MUCH, such a burden huh?)
And here’s the scenario you didn’t care to consider. You quit, they don’t get servers because they don’t pay well, and the business shuts down making room for another that can try again with a better model.
Or the business that opens up is the exact same and the cycle continues because you keep patronizing the businesses that you feel have unethical practices. Why does the business have to do something anti-gay or anti-trans or racist before people boycott it? Aren’t your economic principles also important? Not important enough it would seem.
refilling my water at a buffet that I served myself at, or less.
Where the fuck do you live lmao?! Buffets have the damn soda stream machines, usually the big red Coke one with all the flavorings you can choose, and you pay at the counter. What fucking “buffet” has servers, “Warren Buffet?!” Do they come talk to you like John Pinette lmao? I’d believe the counter has a tip jar or the receipt has a line for tips, but I don’t for a second believe they have a server. I mean, for what?! “Hi welcome to our buffet, I’m Julie. This is usually when I’d take your order, but since this is a buffet you’ve already paid and now are expected to serve yourself, my being here is meaningless. How 'bout them Steelers huh?”
Exactly, additionally isn’t the entire appeal of tipping because you will on average attain more and higher tips by being better at your job? How can people not see that it inherently means your paycheck will fluctuate, it may be higher or even lower than last weeks.
Servers should be paid fairly, and they arent in a lot of places right now but that doesnt mean they should feel entitled to x percentage of the bill every single time.
I drive for DoorDash, and $2 is absolutely a tip. Esp if the delivery is within a couple miles of the restaurant. Ideally I want to make $2+\mile driven, but for deliveries under a mile it’s not as much of an issue. Think about tipping more for longer distance orders.
$2-$4 base pay (which can go up if dashers continually reject the contract but I’ve been offered $4 contracts for over 10 miles of driving one direction on more than one occasion), yes, and I take plenty of zero tip orders that are deliveries under 2 miles and it’s fine as long as I don’t have to wait too long for the food. But a 10 mile delivery for $4 quickly becomes a money loser for me when you factor in gas and time. 20 miles round trip takes 20-40 minutes depending on where it is which by itself makes it a delivery that’s not worthwhile (talking $6-$12/hour at that point). I never take a delivery that’s over 10 miles and that doesn’t pay at least $1.50/mile, and a lot of drivers don’t take those orders unless that pay $2+/mile.
this is a big reason I’m glad corporate chains are starting to remove tipping options in the first place on non-waitressing orders, Domino’s is the most recent one to purge it, you can only tip on delivery now, where it used to give the option for carryout and dine in.
Don’t get me wrong, I tip 20% for dine in but for some things it doesn’t make sense to tip
Y’all are entitled as fuck. People don’t get paid fairly for their day to day service jobs in the US no matter what they’re doing. If they were, the food would cost about the same as it would including a tip. You always tip, that’s how it works. Otherwise you’re an asshole. It doesn’t matter if it’s “the employers fault for not paying more.” You’re not fighting the system, you’re just being a cheapskate and depriving an underpaid worker.
Lol and what would be wrong with food costing the same it would with a tip. That’s exactly what the person you disagree with wants. Why wouldn’t you want that?
I do want it. But that isn’t how it works, so refusing to tip on those grounds is just stealing from the employees. It’s like going to the store, buying something that costs $10, and then handing the cashier $5 and walking away.
If I go to the store, then I’m paying exactly as much as is required for the product I’m willing to buy.
If I go to a restaurant, then it is exactly the same. It is already that much pricier than ever before and I should pay even more, just to grovel before entitled pricks like you who are trying to guilt me into it by saying it’s stealing? Any sympathy you wanted is out the window with your behavior.
In what world does a cashier get to keep 50% at the till? If a customer shorts them they get their manager and the house takes the hit. If they miss it and their till is off maybe they get in trouble? But what idiot is going to accept $5 for a $10 transaction and not escalate?
I’m confused by the grocery store example in multiple ways. But I’ll keep it simple and only ask instead if paying $10 for the $10 item at the grocery store would be theft too? What about $15 for the $10 item? Because I just want to know how much this steak costs so I can decide if I actually want it or not. I’m not sure what is ‘fair’ and certainly don’t have some advanced economics degree … but I only got $11 on me. Can I get it or not?
that’s not really how it works either, depending on what state you’re in people can be paid different wages for different types of work if tips are included or not included it’s a bit more complex
Working at a business that relies on tips to pay their workers is not begging. It’s pretty clear that most of the people here have never worked in the service industry or been in a position where they needed to rely on that income to live. It’s entitled AF and makes y’all seem petty and cheap. Quite frankly, in my edperience every single person who complains about tipping is someone who can easily afford it.
One of the unsung reasons that Americans eat so much fast food is because, somehow, the tip crap didn’t get into that business model (yet), so if you have $8 for lunch and the McValue Meal costs $7.50 you have lunch money and change coming back, end of story. No tipping, no percentages, no shaming, just buy your food like a regular item and go. It would seem like every place outside the US acts like that, so no wonder we love McDonald’s and shit.
Knock wood and touch brass for luck that it stays that way. I am not tipping at Taco Bell.
I… I think I just managed to actually quit nicotine over this shit. The vape shop suddenly had a tip setup starting in 2020, and the clerk had to push some sort of button to get past me putting “no tip” into the screen, because absolutely not. Now I’ve stopped, and that’s one less tip screen in my face.
I’ve been following inflation and wage growth closely, too. Wage growth has leveled off, inflation is slowly, begrudgingly coming down. Cash money says these tip screens aren’t going away, no matter what.
Don’t you still have to tip your government? I always hear about how USA prices don’t include the tax, so you are going to have to calculate percentages no matter what.
that’s because it’s too hard to calculate state tax before checkout. it’s much easier to calculate it at checkout. if only computers could help with this
It varies from place to place. In the city I used to live in the sales tax would also change when there were special municipal projects that needed funding, like a stupid ass arena…
Highly variable depending on where you are. Often the next town over will have a different sales tax. There’s a state sales tax rate, which differs state to state, then there is a county/town sales tax added to that, which will vary within the state itself.
There’s a state sales tax rate, which differs state to state, then there is a county/town sales tax added to that, which will vary within the state itself.
That’s pretty standard, what confuses me about American taxes is how often they seem to change, from Americans’ accounts.
Most companies try to squeeze every penny they can from you; they aren’t gonna absorb anything. That’s why the common people pay sales tax anyway, instead of the companies that sell the product!
As an Oregonian, i was wondering the same thing: we don’t have sales tax. So the item on the menu costs the same as it does on the bill, but i travel out of state enough to know better than assuming getting rid of tip means there’s no more surprises on the bill.
There are food places here in the UK where they dont expect a tip. You know how we get around it? We pay them minimum wage at least. It still aint great but its better than how America treats people.
American servers get a tipped minimum wage, which is much less than the already inadequate minimum wage rate. The difference is supposed to be made up through tips from the customers.
It depends on the state. I looked it up just now and there are some pretty shitty states. In the states I’ve lived in servers get at least minimum wage plus tips. So it’s not a national issue, it’s a state issue.
Technically yes, but no. An employer is required to make up the difference between the tipped minimum wage (usually $2 or so) and the non-tipped (currently $7.25) if a server’s claimed tips don’t cover that. In reality if you’re constantly needing to have them make that up for you, you’re going to get fired, and quickly.
To my knowledge there are only a couple of states left that allow that law. Everywhere I’ve lived they get at least minimum wage plus tips. Many of the fancier restaurants get above minimum wage plus tips. Waiters make pretty good money for the short hours they work, or at least the good ones do.
Right. Which is why they don’t want to give up tips. Why would you voluntarily take a pay cut when you’re getting well above minimum and not paying near as much tax as you should?
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