Election of Donald Trump ‘could put world’s climate goals at risk’

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bufalo1973,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

Could?

jadero,

What climate goals? I see a lot of talk about deadlines and dreams. I don’t see much to indicate that there are any goals.

In sports, a goal is something that everyone puts coordinated and concerted effort into achieving.

In business, a goal is something that everyone puts coordinated and concerted effort into achieving.

If the climate “goals” that were set in the 1990s, weak as they were, had been actual goals, we’d now be planning the closure of the last pipelines, not celebrating the opening of new ones and planning for the next. We’d be planning the closure of the last oil and gas fields, not looking for new drilling and fracking opportunities.

Sure, Trump and his ilk are going to make a show of getting in the way, but it’s not like there is any coordinated, concerted effort for them to block.

arin,

Biden approved oil drilling so IDK why we even include Biden as a choice

jadero,

Beats me. We’ve got our own lip-service politicians to deal with in Canada. And absolute disasters… 😠

pineapple_pizza,

Tell everyone you know in Michigan to vote. The rest of us barely matter

frunch,

Let’s all move to Michigan, then we can matter too 😐

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

But he might bring about the complete collapse of the US… which would result in less emissions.

Try to be more optimistic!

LordOfLocksley,

Don’t threaten me with a good time

lefaucet,

Funny joke, but fer serious…

A complete collapse of the US wouldn’t mean a carbon free utopia, it would mean corporations would be the defacto government (they already pretty much are, but we still have weekends and pollution control. Megacorps will turn everything into the mining towns of old where everyone is completely owned by the mining companies and pollution controls, labor laws and healthcare are non-existant.

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah I was just being fatuous.

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

In a world where US is the only country maybe yes. In real life though this would never happen.

lefaucet,

Are you saying Europe would sweep in and save us? China and Russia? Our NAFTA 2.0 partners would say, “woah there, companies, we had a deal with your now-collapsed country.”

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

The way people cancel corporations for way less is a sign that they would also probably cancel companies who enslaved previously free people. It wouldn’t surprise me is Europe and other allies came to the rescue with rescue plans that although helpful would bind the US into some sort of lock for many years to come. But I don’t expect that distopian schenario to unfold just yet even though it does look bad over there

lefaucet,

Thanks for your optimism :)

I really dont think the US will collapse as in this hypothetical scenario, and I sincerely hope you’re right.

bufalo1973,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

If it’s the EU the binding could mean following the same rules than EU members. I don’t see much of a problem there.

pkill,

continued existence of capitalism does that already

then_three_more,

No shit.

Imgonnatrythis,

Not a fan of voting along party lines up and down the ballot. That just promotes our current state of platformless policitians. Try your best to learn about candidates including third party candidates and vote for the best possible representative. Obviously vote for Biden to keep Trump out, but if you are trying to get. Someone right leaning to think about helping keep this dumbass out of office, you are just going to turn them away by telling them to vote democrat across the ballet. Stay laser focused on keeping Trump out of office.

Cuttlefish1111,

Any talk of third party in an election in which the outcome is life threatening for many, is dillusional

lemmywinks,

And so could the election of any other politician.

lefaucet,

Wow you’re so enlightened with your centricity here.

I mean really, whats the difference between eating a turd and eating 100 turds?

homesweethomeMrL,

“Could”?

Way to hedge, Gruaniad. Thanks for nothing but horse race junk.

BigBenis,

For once I feel like climate goals are the least I’d be worried about should the world’s most influential nation elect a wannabe dictator…

lefaucet,

The climate is how we get food. The dictator will just determine if your kids are starving in a bread line, or the front line of a war.

Either way the climate goals need to be your number one priority

Crampon,

Goals are already busted. Without Trump’s help. This is just some political faction trying to push blame. It’s a propaganda piece.

If Trump wins they can continue to pollute as they see fit. But they can shuffle the blame.

Think about the stock holders.

veganpizza69,
@veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

Trump is an accelerationist. If he wins, it’s not simply the usual BAU, it’s more.

BakedGoods,

Remember kids. A vote for the right in any country is a vote for Putin and Xi.

Orbituary,
@Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

TIL there are goals. Seems like nobody is doing anything meaningful.

downpunxx,

"could" ffs

redfox,

I don’t mean to downplay the environment, but I think we’ll have a long list of worries… 🫨

silence7,

This is a c/climate, so we’re talking climate. Lots of other reasons to prefer Biden over Trump (and to avoid third-party candidates)

lefaucet,

And none of those other worries will matter when you starve to death because we fucked our ecosysten which we get our food from.

A lot of those worries are worries exactly because they divide and distract people.

Abortion was resolved in the 1970s… Until politicians found they could win votes and divide people by putting the right for a woman to have control over her body into the discourse; demonizing people and lying about abortion being baby killing is a great way to control people.

Migration, economy, even healthcare will all be fucked if we dont address the climate.

Google climate refugee, dengue fever climate change and climate disaster costs if you dont believe me.

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