raptir,

This is why I mostly listen to prog, they’re all way too high to hate anyone.

The_Tired_Horizon,
@The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world avatar

Roger Waters enters the chat

TotallynotJessica,
@TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

Hating the hateful doesn’t count. Waters may be an asshole, but his politics are fairly based. Even his bad takes come from leftist viewpoints.

Aleric,

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  • TotallynotJessica,
    @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

    Even bands that aren’t big on politics know to beat up Nazis at their shows. It’s just common sense.

    dandroid,

    When I was like 13 and was learning to play guitar, I learned sooo many songs by Avenged Sevenfold. And then I saw pictures of them playing concerts with the confederate flag, and even had custom confederate flag guitars. I lived a pretty sheltered life and didn’t quite understand how big of a deal that was at the time, but it definitely felt a little gross to me. I slowly stopped listening to them.

    They did eventually come out and say that they regret doing that, for what it’s worth. But I never went back to listening to them.

    cerement,
    @cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

    pizzacakecomics just chimed in

    theUnlikely,
    sentinelthesalty,

    Or you can not be a little crybaby

    Ticktok,

    If there are 4 people at a table, and one of them is a nazi, and the other 3 people don’t leave the table, then there are 4 nazis at the table. Complacency is complicity.

    sentinelthesalty,

    I guess we are all pedophiles too by your logic, since we let them live amongst us.

    InternetUser2012,

    Ahhh, thanks for letting us know you’re a piece of shit. I’m sure you wear that badge with pride.

    sentinelthesalty,

    I don’t give a shit, if I enjoy something I enjoy it, everyone else be dammned. You cannot guilt me out of it

    InternetUser2012,

    Thanks for the confirmation.

    ToucheGoodSir,

    sees Nazi, doxes him to his work, his family, every girl he has in his contacts

    Schneemensch,

    Definitely did that with Sabaton

    Scrof,

    Relatable lol

    Monstera,

    I just did some googling if they said anything regarding current affairs but couldn’t find anything. Anyone knows anything?

    Justas,
    @Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

    They had a concert in occupied Crimea in 2015.

    blabbermouth.net/…/sabatons-public-educator-award…

    But after the war, they distanced themselves from current events.

    hartlepoolmail.co.uk/…/gun-battery-welcomed-swedi…

    Emmie,

    Bold of you to assume I know anything about artists I listen to

    Kolanaki,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    When I was in high school, the worry was finding a cool punk band and discovering they were skinheads.

    Jarix,

    “skinhead” isnt as settled a term as it may appear. Nazi fucks gave punk a bad name by getting associated with them.

    www.gq.com/story/punks-and-nazis-oral-history

    Some reading for those unfamiliar.

    Theres a good documentary i cant find explaining the history of skinheads. If i find it ill post it too

    Leviathan,

    I’m active in the punk scene and I know a lot of skinheads and they’re all hardcore antifascists.

    Kolanaki,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    In the US “skinhead” has a different meaning besides just being bald and aggressive. It’s what neo-nazis are referred to as because they co-opted that whole punk look.

    TotallynotJessica,
    @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

    Honestly, I blame cops. Cops proudly look like thumbs over here, so right wingers have mostly captured the bald aesthetic. Bald and aggressive white men are assumed to be fascists because that’s what off duty cops look like. It’s worse to look like a cop than a civilian Nazi skinhead.

    can,
    havokdj,

    sEpErAtE ThE aRtIsT fRoM tHe ArT

    kamen,

    Normally I wouldn’t care what person made the music I enjoy, but if they turn out to be a total bag of shit, I just can’t bring myself to enjoy the music, no matter how good it might be.

    mossy_,

    the Kanye West rule

    Soulg,

    Meh, I personally believe in that but I’m not going to go tell other people what to do

    havokdj,

    Artists who devote their lives to being shitty people often time devote less time to actually being an artist. Yes, there are a few exceptions out there like Picasso or Dali, but most of them are awful at both art and being a human being.

    BackpackCat,

    Nobody ever says this about mediocre acts that are really great people in their personal life. You’ll never hear someone say “This song is kinda mid but thats because they recorded it while working at a refugee camp!”

    SuddenDownpour,

    That’s because not much people care about art that doesn’t have wide appeal, so there’s even less of a chance of anyone making themselves that question.

    Cryophilia,

    I dunno what you’re talking about, I see people do that all the time

    DrRatso,

    People do say that, but then that does not make the song more enjoyable, to me at least.

    Theres a difference between “he recorded that in a camper van, thats pretty cool” and “daamn that was recorded it a camper van”.

    Doof,

    I think there can be a more nuanced conversation to be had about that, like say what “The smiths” were and what “Morrissey” actually seems to be. To be honest there’s not a whole lot of good art made by outward racists. None of those people will see a single dime from me but if you’re discussing in good faith i don’t necessary think it’s completely a dumb idea.

    havokdj,

    What exactly do you mean “in good faith”?

    Doof,

    I gave you an example

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Its kinda funny how I used to see bands that had really good music and shit politics, because the political views were trendy but the music scene was very open and diverse.

    Now I see musicians that suck absolute dog turds somehow squeezing themselves up and out the ass of the Billboard 100, because some douche noozle billionaire bought a million copies of their album sound unheard just to get them trending on Spotify.

    Whether its “Rich men north of Richmond” or Whatever the Fuck This Is these attempts at music are comically bad. At this point, I would happily trade whatever leftist-ish club music we occasionally get as trickle down for some modern day Morrissey.

    John_McMurray,

    “Rich men” was a catchy tune though. You just don’t like the genre or perhaps what the lyrics say

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    “Rich men” was a catchy tune though

    It had a catchy beat. But the lyrics were a muddled mess. Guy can’t figure out if he’s doing ABAB, AABB, ABCB, his stanzas are an absolute trainwreck and there’s some ackward repetition.

    And the production? Some of the worst acoustics possible.

    You just don’t like the genre

    The genre of folk/country or the genre of whiny acoustic beatnik? Garth Brooks this guy ain’t and I don’t see him landing a spot in the Charlie Daniels band with that low energy strum.

    John_McMurray,

    Yeah i dunno bud, I ain’t a musician but I like what i heard. Least he sounded real, Garth is pretty phony sometimes.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Least he sounded rea

    He sounded like he was playing a guitar in the woods. 90% of Bandcamp has better production value.

    John_McMurray,

    Did pretty fucking good for a guy playing in a clearing in the woods.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Go to any bar with an open mic and you’ll find a guy just as good.

    His success was entirely due to marketing. As soon as that dried up, people forgot he existed.

    John_McMurray,

    Guy just released an album 2 weeks ago and it’s currently 42 on the billboard charts, 97 on the UK charts

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    News to me.

    John_McMurray,

    Yes…it is news. Just happened the other day. Give it a little while, you’ll start hearing the songs.

    ILikeAllAss,

    I really enjoy the tune of “Rich men”… Too bad listening to it makes me feel dirty

    John_McMurray,

    Something else just came to mind because it’s late\early and i’m having a insomnia. Remember when Alabama covered Tom T Hall’s “Song of the South” and cut all the lyrics related to being in favor of socialism and and the New Deal? IDK why they felt they needed to pretend southern democrats of the 30s weren’t pretty socialist, and lost the best line of “They oughtta kill rich men till they vote like that”

    John_McMurray,

    So he talked some shit about useless obese fucks on welfare. Drive around any poorer rural area of Virginia or Alabama or Montana and you’ll eventually find the parts of the county or town where the meth addled idiots and useless bitches with 5 kids live in a shitty trailer or rented house with a yard full of trash subsisting on welfare and theft. Apparently it’s only ok to make fun of them if you’re a progressive votes “properly”, not someone actually from there sick of it.

    glitchdx,

    I offer a solution: Death of the Author.

    A good song is a good song, give no fucks about who made it.

    VindictiveJudge,

    That depends on how I’m getting the product. I’d rather not funnel money to nazis if at all possible.

    DragonTypeWyvern,

    Death of the Author is also about both intent and result. A catchy song about how fascism is cool is not the same as a fascist accidentally making anti-fascist arguments.

    Soggy,

    Like how Orson Scott Card somehow wrote excellent science fiction about how blind xenophobia is bad.

    glitchdx,

    context also matters. Sure, I’m normally opposed to a song about how fascism is cool, but if it’s from the OST of some Starship Troopers spinoff or a Warhammer 40k thing, I might be down for some satirical good times. You know, for the lulz of course.

    DragonTypeWyvern,

    Warhammer hasn’t been a satire in decades, but otherwise sure

    zarkanian,
    @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

    According to Games Workshop, it is satire now and always has been.

    DragonTypeWyvern,

    Uh huh. That’s why the Emperor keeps getting more awesome and right, just being held down by all his pesky traitorous generals and incompetent nobles, all their enemies actually do want to eradicate humanity, and the viewpoint character always sees some of the flaws in the system but don’t you just know it, there’s some Tyranids to fight!

    GW has to say it’s satire. They can’t admit it stopped somewhere and became an earnest story, as all satire that goes on for too long tends to do, because admitting that means admitting they make piles of cash from a fascist property.

    Like, for real, bro. The “Hope” of the Imperium was the return of Roboute Guilliman, a Roman coded god-king.

    He’s gonna Make the Imperium Great Again.

    glitchdx,

    bad writing doesn’t stop it from being satire.

    DragonTypeWyvern,

    Copium

    glitchdx,

    my favorite flavor

    glitchdx,

    … You pay for music?

    Kolanaki,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    🏴‍☠️

    SimplyTadpole,

    Reading these comments is making me sweat nervously because I made an 80s-themed submod for a racing game with era-appropriate metal music, and it seems that a decent chunk of the bands I chose for the soundtrack turned out to be fascist or fascist-sympathizing 😓

    deathmetal27,

    …or pedos.

    DragonTypeWyvern,

    Well, that’s the entire music industry until 1990 right out

    HawlSera,

    Wasn’t there literally a metal singer named Herr Warcrimer

    Soulg,

    Probably, I dunno what pointing that out does though, unless you think that it means all metal is nazi

    HawlSera,

    It’s not, but clearly it is enough of a concern that people need to check…

    The amount of rock musicians who are far-right homophobes is… alarming pretty much any media with Kid Rock or Ted Nugent has aged like milk

    cumskin_genocide,

    Maybe you should ask yourself why you like a lot of the media Nazis like.

    RoyaltyInTraining,
    @RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world avatar

    I won’t let nazi fucks take metal away from me

    Entropywins,

    Nazis like motorracing they like walking and probably enjoy breathing also…what the fuck is your point

    endhits,

    If Hitler enjoyed eating pretzels, am I no longer allowed to enjoy a pretzel without being a Nazi?

    What a pants on head stupid take.

    Aqarius,

    “You know who else was a vegetarian!? That’s right-”

    rektdeckard,
    @rektdeckard@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s stupid. Metal is fun, and Nazis don’t own it, nor can they take it away from the vast majority of good people who play it and enjoy it. It has a bad rap from Satanic panic era bible-thumpers.

    You wanna ban classical music? The OG Nazis loved that shit.

    Just research the bands you like.

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