I posted this comment on ani.social and got banned from Lemmy.world:
Who even cares, fuck those guys.
Lemmy.world revealed how far they have their heads jammed waaaaaay up their own assholes when they released their new TOS and were patting themselves on the back about it. Then, in true Le Reddit fashion, anyone in the comments section who dared to question that decision was getting mass down voted by brainless sycophants. Lemmy.world got lucky by being the most visible and attracting the most users this past summer, but it doesn’t make them inherently special, which they clearly now believe they are.
The Fediverse is a new opportunity for internet discussion to feel free and open again rather than confined by kowtowing to corporate interests. These instances defederating from ani.social is forewarning to any users with their heads up that they are just places to avoid anyway.
Now, regardless of whether you agree with my stance or not, or if for some reason you are offended by the fuck word, is criticism of policy seriously an offense so egregious that it warrants a ban?
Of course it isn’t.
And before somebody tries to cleverly point out “hurr durr you sound butthurt because you got banned from LW” that’s not at all the point I am making here. I’m pointing out the sheer insecure pettiness of the administration at LW that they would get so bent out of shape from some criticism from a throwaway account that they would ban it on the spot.
Ask yourselves if you really want to make LW your home base, because I do not.
Edit: also lol at Antik, a LW admin, coming to this comments section on an alt account and arguing with people. Dozens of testy, sparring comments bordering on harassment. This is the exact immature behavior that I am calling out. He had to literally do nothing to get a win here, yet he deliberately chose to show his ass to everyone instead.
Edit 2: LW banned every user in this thread who posted a criticism of their insecurity, pettiness, irrationality and cognitive dissonance of thinking that “pictures of anime” are somehow all CSAM. They have brigaded this post - roughly 50% of the 100 comments here are from the admin or his alt literally harassing people simply because they stated they do not like LW. These are not the actions of sound-minded individuals, these are the actions of actually insane people.
At the time of posting this, the original thread has 13 comments as opposed to the sanitized version on Lemmy World, which has 6 comments. Naturally, all of the comments critical of LW do not appear on their version.
You sure it’s not just because those comments were submitted by ani.social users during the period which the instances were defederated from each other?
It's from manual bans, not defederation. Both Butts@ani.social (the parent comment in this chain) and CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org (commenter providing a critical summary of why people are upset) are banned at LW.
At the time of writing this comment, by looking at the LW modlog you can see Butts was banned 3 hours ago because "fuck those guys" and 17 hours ago CJOTheReal was banned because "LW admins are assholes."
I am guessing those ban reasons are quotes from the banned users themselves, not the actual reason why an admin personally banned them, though that hardly makes it justifiable - in fact it does the opposite by proving that LW admins actually are power tripping and banning for petty reasons.
I nither of us gives a shit tbh, we just think they are power tripping like reddit mods. And Don’t engage in their instance shithole. Btw at least one of the admins keeps following several users around like a creep constantly attacking the users and saying “look what they say” like anyone gives a shit…
Ask yourselves if you really want to make LW your home base, because I do not.
That was sort of my thinking as well. I’ve been trying to get a clear answer for a ban that archived everything to show that they were just banned for criticism, and I haven’t gotten a direct answer other than a claim that contradicts the evidence.
Purging an account, banning it, and then allowing them to sweep everything under the ban rug is a direct attack on the credibility of user accounts, and I can understand people not trusting a server with it when they do that, and it’s even worse when those admins are capable of being charismatic so people are much less keen to question them.
That’s something that abusive power mods on reddit did all the time. They tried to sweep everything under the ban rug, keep quiet about it and only give out vague reasons, and then just label the user a shithead when they inevitably then had to proceed to try to scale it up, which meant trying to attract more attention, which made people question them more, which just swept them up with the people that really deserved it, and it just became a vicious cycle.
The one big tell is that when somebody really deserves it, they don’t really hide it, whereas when its much more questionable, they keep so quiet that you have to wonder whether the person in question killed anyone, which just adds to it.
Uh, is @Antik really Antik and not just someone trying to supplant their identity by naming themselves antik@lemmy.world? That … just raises so many questions if so.
Yeah, I saw. Just surprised to see an admin acting this way, you’ve basically been quite reserved up to this point from my perspective. I was really hoping to give my suspicions more of a benefit of a doubt, but you just went and accused me of being someone else for replying to their comments…
I can’t talk for your argument with them or what you are accusing them off, but you’ve obviously read the first of my comments in this thread, and I have nothing else to add. The only thing I am doing is what the intent of lemmy is for me, seeing how instances handle their administration to make an informed decision about how well I can trust them and participate in them. That means checking up and following up communities and posts like the one we are on. Don’t let your paranoia chase your own tail.
That’s what I first was suspicious of elsewhere in the thread , but they have since made it pretty clear it was them: web.archive.org/save/https://…/5138651 (Or, well, here if they still haven’t deleted it: lemmy.world/u/antik ) and have even suggested I’m an alt of the user I was replying to along with some wild but otherwise unproved claims that my account was created around the same time his was removed (he knows, or should know, why and when I created mine: sh.itjust.works/comment/4632925sh.itjust.works/comment/4648668 )
I mean, it would be pretty damning if confirmed, you should try reporting it to lemm.ee admins to see whether they can confirm this.
There are people who would troll like that just to create drama, but considering how active and reactive lemmy.world admins generally are and that they are already checking this thread out, they would probably already have at least banned them on lemmy.world. They haven’t …
I can personally confirm it because the guy said he banned my account and after checking the Lemmy.world modlog my account was banned around the same time, so its 100%
Yes please screenshot the thing and send me it, the scrollshot feature doesn’t work properly on my phone for some reason. Man i need this to show around how much of a shitshow their admins are.
And we are quiet obviously not the same person, i think he goes insane now.
Also you just post a burggit profile exclusively posting normal hentai man idk what you want from me or him…
Btw, how do you find a burggit.moe profile when you are never on such a instance? Did you search for it? Did you just see it while browsing some loli hentai?
Keep making yourself a fool please, i just can’t stop laughing at you…
How would I not know about the biggest Loli instance you knobhead. Btw I know the lemmynsfw admins also, they are quite familiar with you and your shit too.
Or you go to an instance that federated with everything and you do a search for CookieJarObserver. That’s how I found your alt and now you try to play it off. “It’s not so bad” but also “how did you even find that hmmm”
Because sdf (the instance im on) don’t defederated from anything and the guy keeps posting normal hentai periodically…
And wtf? I have nothing to do at all with LemmyNSFW I’ve never had any problems with them or was active there, i just browse some anime and lewd communities there from time to time, i have seriously no clue what the fuck you want from me.
Also burggit is pretty easy to find if you scroll down to defederated instances its pretty common there, most people that know about lemmy have been there at least once out of curiosity, just like Lemmygrad and (formally) exploding-heads
And tbh, they seem friendly there, way more than your instance (Lemmy.world) Shure the taste of many there seems to be pretty “unique” (and i can totally agree with you to not like it) but its nothing illigal where they are hosted.
Edit: ok didn’t think about that way but still not me…
You should stop dragging it. It just looks funny at this stage. Why bother arguing back and forth and defending irrelevant things so much if you’re not the said person? Why did you need a story for how you found Burggit? Are you unaware you’re just making it more obvious? Just move on.
Huh? It’s quite openly an account for admin collab, and there are quite openly time gaps between its content. That happens when your instance isn’t very active. Again, stop dragging it with irrelevant things. You will no longer be entertained here.
And people keep saying that it doesn’t matter that the admins of the largest subs are insane people. It’s very clear that they intend to use their influence to shape the fediverse and create walled gardens around anything from political ideology to inane biases.
It’s critically important to call them out on this shit. It doesn’t do much, but it’s better than doing nothing.
Just fyi. You have cookiejarobserver@burggit.moe in this thread using his alt @CJOtheReal here. He is moderator on known pedo and Loli instance burgitt.moe and he has been very angry at us at Lemmy World for calling him out.
He now pretends that it is not his account even though CJO obviously stands for CookieJarObserver, he also speaks German and he is defending the person that is ‘totally not him’.
Pretty sure he is using at least one other account here to play stupid - Amillionnames. This user popped up around the same time CJO had his accounts banned and is always in the same threads. And now they are having conversations pretending they are not the same person.
Yes I am all over this thread with my alt (because I could not talk to him from my LW account since he is banned) but it all just clicked. He was in every thread that mentions LW talking shit with his alts which made me wonder why he would not give his main account so this could be reviewed.
Just to clarify, I created this account at the same time I became aware of kbin.social/…/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-i… to avoid risks with my main when making this thread web.archive.org/web/20231107221038/…/4632925 . I have already explained why in several threads, but this is the first time he’s brought up these accusations directly while evading my concerns regarding the original OP I was alluding to.
This is the first time Antik is accusing me of being this user, but he has also accused me of being someone else here: web.archive.org/web/20231107174821/…/5160618 Apparently it is easier to suggest I’m someone else there and now someone entirely different here without providing any evidence than to answer the reply I left hanging in the thread I’ve linked.
It must be nice to be able to make accusations without having to provide or worry about archiving evidence.
Fortunately, because I was not an account on lemmy.world, no comment has really been affected, just their visibility.
I can’t speak for accusations I’m not aware off, but the only reason I’m here is because I was following lemmy.world admin’s comment history, saw one of them trolling this thread with emoticons, and decided to participate in it by doing what they should have had the competence to do, linking to their own explanation elsewhere. After becoming acquainted with the thread, I also added my two cents about my own experiences with abusive mods, which the comments on this thread are becoming a very good example of, and then I became aware of the flame wars the lem.ee antik account was engaging with.
Thank you, Antik, for confirming what kbin.social/…/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-i… (if it’s not working, here’s the archive ) made me suspect. Sane admins don’t go around the thread linking to pedo lemmy instances, they don’t get engaged in flame wars, they get in contact with admins and moderators and resolve the problems professionally and with the responsibility that they power they’ve decided to adopt requires.
They aren’t kids, one of them is at least a grown man in their 40s with an extensive web development career, not that the world isn’t full of examples where this clearly isn’t enough for maturity or ethics. Even when they are acting completely different, even when they seem completely nice, even when they are completely agreeing with you about abusive mod practices, it won’t matter when they decide they don’t like you and the paranoia kicks in.
They live in a narcissistic world were they are completely unable of doing wrong so any suspicion is right. Antik made his accusations 10 hours before he decided to ban me, yet still delayed that much, and he already knew of me around ~20 days ago and had responded several times, before this thread with a different excuse. I can’t do anything more than link to archives, it’s not like I can pull non-existing server logs. Their claims do not have evidence, and don’t expect them to be transparent about it. After all, this was too much for them to accept as criticism.
If there ever comes a time when you decide to criticize the lemmy.world administration, don’t be surprised if this ends up being you. I don’t know if it’s the drugs they are on or what, but all it takes is a bullshit accusation, a paranoid suspicion of coincidences that they themselves create. I don’t even know if they are doing this consciously, but at this point, they must be at some level.
I don’t envy the jobs of admins and mods, but acting like a shithead will make people follow you just as people who violate the rules. That has always been the problem with protests, even small ones, but that does not mean it’s the same bad actor organizing it. My best advice is not to act like a shithead, and fortunately, most lemmy admins aren’t. Unfortunately, lemmy.world admins, those of the most populated lemmy instance, are.
Oh, and let’s not forget the claims directly from the horse’s mouth, Izzy, who was a moderator who worked with the admin team. I wasn’t too sure about their claims because of their severity, but now they make all the sense in the world:
I quickly moved my main account to a new instance back when it was shown how more users in a single instance slowed everything down. If it ever came down to it, I would just run my own instance to be able to control what I can and cannot see instead of letting someone else choose for me.
This is one of the biggest issues with having a large part of the user-base end up on the same instance(s).
I do fear that the Fediverse, since this problem happens on all of the federated services I’ve seen, is one day going to end up just like Reddit/Twitter/etc. Maybe not in the exact same fashion (hopefully), but similar in many ways.
Which is not to say that I don’t appreciate the people behind these communities for all that they contribute, don’t get me wrong. But we’re eclipsing a precipice that is going to be difficult to come back from.
It’s a tough problem, and honestly I don’t know what the solution is. It’s not as simple as “don’t have big instances”, but the current situation isn’t really ideal either.
You should leave it up because it's providing active discussion about an important topic. Also, if you delete this thread you'd just be cleaning up evidence that mods/admins from Lemmy.World and Lemmy.dbzer0 seem to be insane people, which more users need to know.
Main issue to the user is random defederations and slightly aggressive moderation.
Personally, I just moved to lemm.ee when I got banned for a week. I don’t even remember what for, just that I wanted to continue posting and commenting.
Admins having a power trip on spez level constantly, making their instance into a walled garden, like reddit, being antisemitic and harass other instances admins.
They believe they own lemmy now because they got lucky and be labeled the “default instance” by most apps and got pushed by many.
They are just as insane as Lemmyml admins.
They damage lemmy as a whole, willingly, with this behavior.
Just have a look at this user’s history if you want to know why he got banned. Basically calling us antisemites and what not. His entire history is full of LW shit-talking on his new account. He even admitted “I have a personal problem with these assholes” without actually revealing his main account.
Ok but where did you pull the bs from that Im that guy?
Also lmao the guy just posts normal hentai and nothing “pedo” related, and seeing the pinned comment on that instance they absolutely don’t allow anything involving real children or even children looking…
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