mwop,
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So irritated that decided NOT to support PWAs on Linux. (Yes, I know about the extension, but it's a PITA to keep up-to-date, and because it uses an ADDITIONAL runtime in the background, it's a waste of system resources.)

I've concluded that the only way to use Outlook consistently on Linux is via the web (love OWL for TB, but invites/events often disappear)... and without reasonable PWA support in FF, I'm having to contemplate returning to a chromium-based browser. 😥

Crell,
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@mwop They don't on Mac, either. It's extremely annoying.

mwop,
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@Crell Yeah, I think they abandon the feature on all desktop versions.

sephster,
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@mwop @Crell I just use Evolution email client with Outlook. Works well for all my needs in work. Good calendar integration etc

mwop,
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@sephster wish I could! Not authorized by our IT, though.

TB is... But it only does IMAP/SMTP. I used Owl for TB for a few months, but it wasn't syncing all calendar events, even if I started from a fresh profile..hence where I am now...

sephster,
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@mwop oh man that is frustrating. Yeah, I used to use TB but it was just not working for me with calendar invitations. Ended up abandoning it for Evolution. I still prefer vanilla TB but calendar sync is a must for work. Hope you find a solution

dgoosens,
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hi @mwop

funny... I actually did not even look at PWAs, don't like those very much...

and could not stand using those tools in my browser...

so I want for Rambox (it is Chromium based) and it is the least annoying alternative I've found

https://rambox.app/

mwop,
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@dgoosens I've been having a horrible time with electron apps randomly crashing, on a regular basis, so that's not really a solution for me. Actually tried several solutions similar to Rambox this past week, and all of them exhibited these issues, as do my slack and logseq apps.

1/2

mwop,
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@dgoosens It's particularly annoying with Outlook, as it often happens while trying to do trivial things like moving calendar events or just scrolling. This may be Wayland related, but I've never seen the same issues with Wayland in regular chromium browsers, which makes me think it's Electron.

2/2

dgoosens,
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@mwop I started using rambox because I got fed up with individual electron apps (discord, slack, teams, etc etc) and have to say it is very robust and well maintained
Never have any issues with it on my PopOS and most apps have some kind of optimisation to make them work better (especially the M$ ones)
Maybe give it a try ?

heiglandreas,
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@dgoosens @mwop I'm using Ferdium for that. Worked great on Linux and now on Mac.

mwop,
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@heiglandreas @dgoosens @mwop I tried that earlier this week - was crazy unstable for me. Kept crashing - see my earlier thread with @dgoosens. Have had that issue with all electron apps. 🙃

heiglandreas,
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@mwop @dgoosens Interesting....

mwop,
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@dgoosens Frankly, not willing to try Rambox as it's still electron based, and I've observed these issues on EVERY electron app I've tried and/or use daily.

When I used Outlook as a PWA under chrome-based browsers in the past, it "just worked". No crashing or bad behavior. The reason I switched to FF was wanting to encourage browser diversity. 🙃

heiglandreas,
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@mwop @dgoosens Well... Outlook is an abomination...

mwop,
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@heiglandreas Don't get me started...

dgoosens,
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@heiglandreas @mwop
lol
That’s an understatement

dgoosens,
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@heiglandreas @mwop

Just checked
Sadly tauri is not production ready yet… putting a lot of hope in that project though for this particular reason

https://tauri.app/

It’s promised to by like electron apps but without the electron

mwop,
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@dgoosens @heiglandreas That looks interesting! Main concern is the "uses OS native web view" - on most Linux systems, it's a version of WebKit that's faaaaar behind most browsers, and can cause compatibility issues. But will definitely keep an eye on it!

wez,
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@mwop FWIW, I've been enjoying using the https://vivaldi.com/ browser

mwop,
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@wez That's my chromium browser of choice, and what I have installed alongside FF already. Would rather support another browser engine, but that's the next best solution.

Did NOT want to do the browser change dance across my devices again, but 🤷

alessandrolai,
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@mwop @wez i had the same doubt for Meet, but I resorted to have it via Chrome, but I still keep Firefox as my daily browser.

Only downside, if I click a link in the Meet chat, it tries to open it in Chrome, even if it's not the default browser.

mwop,
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@alessandrolai @mwop @wez That's a non-starter for me. Too much friction, particularly as it's for Outlook specifically that I need it. Opening links in there all day. 😐

alessandrolai,
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@mwop @wez I thought the same as soon as I hit "reply" 😅 in fact my client (I use Gmail) is a pinned tab in my Firefox instance, alongside a couple more tools (calendar, Jira...)

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