MrSnowy,

Hot take: corporatism and infotainment. You control money and information, you control the world.

TheBurlapBandit,

This is the coldest take on Lemmy. Not that it’s wrong, though.

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

Pitchshifter warned us.

DJKJuicy,

The 90s industrial/nu metal band?

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

Industrial then switched genres to Industrial Punk, but yeah.

DJKJuicy,

Neat. Just was not at all expecting to see Pitchshifter in this discussion. (sorry I called them nu metal, felt strange to me too)

Yeah, I guess they did warn us. I didn’t really grasp the lyrics when I was younger. Even RATM was lost on me until I hit my 30s…

MadSurgeon,

I’m safe in the knowledge that we’ll all be saved.

ComradeChairmanKGB,
@ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

? By who?

Cruxifux,

Man I used to have the dopest pitchshifter wife beater when I was 18

Madison420,

Nope education is the downfall. Teach critical thinking well and you won’t have such a malleable idiotic population that buys into either of those.

TrismegistusMx,
@TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world avatar

Education was destroyed by the same people who forced corporate news down our throats.

Madison420,

Correct, but one had to go before the other.

artaxthehappyhorse,
@artaxthehappyhorse@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s maybe a part, but not the whole story.

Your (and your parents’, and your peers’) real and perceived economic circumstances and opportunities have a lot to do with what you’ll value and prioritize as an adult - how invested and loyal you’ll be in society. Every poor person we generate due to greedy decisions has a very high likelihood of being a destructive force back to us.

Now consider how many poor people were generated by black slavery, segregation, and explicit racism in America, and how, in a society, we all just swim around in the same trauma soup, deflecting pain towards one another.

KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,

as an adult

That’s an interesting way to frame things.

imaqtpie,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

Now consider how many poor people were generated by black slavery, segregation, and explicit racism in America, and how, in a society, we all just swim around in the same trauma soup, deflecting pain towards one another.

That’s a nice thought 😳

Madison420,

Imo greed is an lack of education. As education is ideally schooling +life experience. Part of that critical thinking section needs to be taught by experience and society in the us at least didn’t give anyone enough time to see the world before deciding what to do, how to live and what kind of person you want to be.

superkret, (edited )

Education has been fully taken over by Capitalism. For profit schools and “public schools” which are bound by the same economical principles provide an education that’s solely geared towards producing new employees.

Soundhole,

Public education wasn’t necessarily “taken over”. It was only ever “allowed” by the rich because they needed trained people to count their fucking money (oversimplifying. Sort of).

Teachers push actual critical thinking in their classrooms and the oligarchs hate that, which is why they try to crush teachers at every turn.

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Almost none of my well educated professional-managerial class peers have developed class consciousness. They seem to be even more class clueless than blue & pink collar workers.

Madison420,
Bloobish,

It’s literally just capitalism, Marx called this alienation under capital

irmoz,

Capitalism

GarbageShoot,

Major media bodies are owned by corporations or the state, and the state is also owned by corporations, so they functionally control all of it. QED Socialism or barbarism.

Facky,

Corporatism=literally capitalism

lemmyseizethemeans,
ComradeChairmanKGB, (edited )
@ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Capitalism is tearing me apart Lenin!

irmoz,

Damn straight, homie stumbled upon alienation and commodity fetishism all at once

NounsAndWords,

Somewhere around 20 years ago/b/ was one of the first aggressively “us vs them” communities I was ever exposed to, and it only got worse from there.

Rai,

You’re crazy, /b/ wasn’t around 20 years ago… I mean, it only recently started in the early ‘00s!

…oh no

Strangle,

Turn off the news, and stay away from anything online that lets you or other people comment.

Lose Twitter, Facebook, reddit (or reddit alternatives) and the world will look like a much different place.

peter,
@peter@lemmy.emerald.show avatar

I did the same thing. I still am on social media such as lemmy and discord but its mostly to talk to people. And I havent watched the news since I was a child. Important things come your way eventually and I dont see it as being ignorant. Now I only receive information I can actually do something about if I want to.

TheDankHold,

Sticking your head in the sand will do that. Nothing will actually change but it’ll feel like it’s not there.

nte,

More like “don’t stick your head in a pile oft shit”, ignoring these platforms is not ignoring the world, it’s changing your point oft view, you won’t miss anything of importance.

kwking13,

That’s may be true for you, but a lot of these type sites are a great source for news and information about the world. Ignorance is bliss as they say, but the world keeps spinning whether or not you pay attention to it. I’m not saying you HAVE to get news from social media, but that’s what I primarily use it for.

Pencilnoob,

If it doesn’t cause you to act, then the news is just entertainment

Covid vaccines made available was the last news that actually changed my behavior. That was like years ago. The rest is just entertainment written to make people scared and angry

BigNote,

Bullshit. Responsible news consumption is how we make informed decisions about the world. It’s a critical part of any democracy which is why Burke called it “the fourth estate.”

purahna,
@purahna@lemmygrad.ml avatar

this. A lot of news is kind of inactionable too; what are we supposed to do from knowing about some dictatorship half way across the world having a coup? The thing that actually started lifting me out of passive observation and into action was reading political analysis and political theory. Strongly recommend some introductory political theory for anyone who feels a responsibility to keep up with the news but then finds that all doing so does is make them exhausted and depressed.

Remmock,

That sounds like a ‘you problem’. I change my behaviors and my attitudes accordingly based on what I intake and digest. When McCain first ran against Obama, he was a moderate with decades of experience who had seen the dark side of war and wouldn’t thrust us into one senselessly.

Thanks to the news I saw the rapid conversion of a formerly moral politician into someone who would say anything for power.

When the situation in Maui came up I donated as I have in the past to people affected by disasters.

Should you assume information that doesn’t affect you personally is irrelevant or are you willing to step down from your Main Character title card?

nte,

Social media is for social interaction. There are better alternatives for news. I’d rather invest some money in good journalism than picking relevant news in the flood of garbage click and rage bait articles. There is also good, free of charge journalism out there. For example the guardian

sigmaklimgrindset,

This is so honestly so true. Once I moved my news sources onto an RSS app and left my social media interactions for my hobbies or catching up with people my pessimism decreased dramatically.

News on social media is filled with bad actors, misinformation, and bots deliberately to drive up engagement through outrage. 99% of the time it’s not worth the mental blowback.

TheAlbatross,

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  • irmoz,

    Sorry but I don’t have the ability to stop caring how the world is doing

    sigmaklimgrindset,

    Sorry in advance for the unsolicited advice, but if you’re a news junkie (like me), try out an RSS feed reader (Feedly, Inoreader, Newsblur is a FOSS option).

    You get to bypass the comment section of social media while still being aware of what is going on around you. I use Ino because it’s cross platform. It makes it super easy to subscribe to anything from Nature to Vogue to my local news affiliate, and it has a trending section, as well as curated groups for hobbies/interests and your work industry as well.

    You don’t have to stop caring about the world in order to live without social media.

    irmoz,

    Nah you’re right, but I’m always curious what people think too haha

    sigmaklimgrindset,

    Oh I totally understand, I’m the exact same way. But lately looking at social media comments is the equivalent of taking +1000% psychic damage.

    TheAlbatross,

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  • irmoz,

    I’ve considered fishing, but the equipment is expensive, and all the closest locations are pretty far. When I need to chill I just play a game or go for a smoke.

    kwking13,

    I appreciate the concern and know about the potential negative consequences. But with all due respect, you don’t know me or the type of news I seek out or how I feel about it. I prefer to know what’s going on around me and the world so I can work towards making impactful changes. That doesn’t mean everyone else has to but it works well for me.

    Zardoz,

    I think it’s more just reducing the overload, not really hiding. An information vacation.

    whataboutshutup,

    A healthy diet, if you will. Fastfood is okay once in a while but eating it all the time just as tiring to one’s body as clickbait information to one’s head.

    shastaxc,

    We’ll have a Dalmatian plantation!

    NocturnalMorning,

    Is not being on most social media sticking your head in the sand now? I still read the news and try to stay informed. It’s just not in my face as much anymore. I would consider that a win.

    whatisallthis,

    This is like you breaking up with a toxic girlfriend and she tells you “oh yeah well other people are still gonna date me idiot!”

    Silverseren,

    Arguably that's one of (though not all of) the reason for so many people not voting. They think if they disengage, then that'll fix the problem. When in reality they're just allowing the problem to get worse and pretending there isn't a problem.

    SubArcticTundra,
    @SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

    Can confirm this. I’ve been trying to set my life up to be as internetless as possible.

    UlyssesT,

    A lot of chud energy has understandable sources but is funneled anywhere and everywhere but against the ruling class.

    FuckyWucky,

    Everything under neoliberalism is assessed primarily in terms of money. It thrives on selfishness. Doing things to improve climate and reduce carbon emissions doesn’t have immediate profits and is therefore ignored. The wealth inequality results in the more wealthy thinking they deserve the wealth and seeing the poor as inferior thus destroying social cohesion.

    Flyswat,

    Liberalism does not seem to seek any kind of cohesion, rather it focuses on maximising each individual’s desires regardless of the resulting sum of these individual fulfillments.

    solarzones,
    @solarzones@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I am with Anon. It’s all kinda surreal now. But I’m gonna live it up the way I know how.

    stevedidWHAT,
    @stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

    Sometimes it’s fun to try doing things differently, but I sort of agree with you. As time goes on it’s harder and harder to break ourselves of our habits

    WtfEvenIsExistence,

    Anon has an existential crisis

    elouboub,
    elouboub avatar

    Give into the hate, anon. Join the sixth.

    banazir,
    @banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

    It was leaving the trees that did it, really.

    BeigeAgenda,
    @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

    Nah we should have stayed in the water.

    Agent641,

    Personally, I blame the amoeba that decided he wanted to have more cells than everyone else. All of human greed stemps from that selfish bugger.

    tabarnaski,

    I’ve found that disconnecting helps. Leave your phone at home and go out. Chat with the guy you see every day at the grocery store. Go play chess or pétanque in the park with a friend. You don’t have to do this too often, and you’ll feel less like a product yourself.

    WtfEvenIsExistence,

    Everyone just stares at their phone these days, even the elderly people

    mayst0ne,

    Especially the elderly in my experience. The generation that used to tell us not to believe everything we see on the internet is now glued to Facebook.

    stevedidWHAT,
    @stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

    Addiction is a lot easier when you make the surroundings more hellish and thus the substance more palatable

    WtfEvenIsExistence,

    My parents use Wechat 💀

    Something something America bad, NATO imperialism, etc.

    all while living in the country that Wechat told you was bad. 🤔

    X country is bad, but a subset of that country I happened to live in is an exception? 🤔???

    Like that some crazy double think right there

    uis,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    My parents use Wechat

    Dear Faust. I’m not sure what worse.

    WtfEvenIsExistence,

    Well, at least on facebook, you can have various ideologies (at least until Suckerberg decide to ban you). On Wechat, it’s only whatever the govermment allows.

    uis,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t use any of those, but if you are not in China and will never visit it, then Wechat maybe fine for you. Build your own threat model.

    WtfEvenIsExistence,

    Ew I don’t use corporate platforms. The only one I’ve ever used is Reddit, now with Lemmy, Reddit can fuck off

    TerminalEncounter,
    @TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net avatar
    pornhubfan,

    We live in a simulation

    Leviathan,

    Escapism in the 21st century.

    stevedidWHAT,
    @stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

    Nothing is real

    bury head in sand

    Sleep

    Daft_ish,

    Until you realize simulated pain still hurts.

    SeatBeeSate,

    I wonder if it has anything to do with the system we’ve built to buy and sell products, owning, trading and hoarding capital? No, that can’t be it…

    KurtVonnegut,
    @KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net avatar

    The constant revamping of the production process, the uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, and the everlasting uncertainty and agitation of society distinguish the bourgeois era from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relationships, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away. All new-formed relationships become outdated before they can solidify. All that is fixed melts into air, all that is sacred is profaned, and people are at last compelled to face with sober senses their real conditions of life, and thier relations with each other.

    -Some guy, in some manifesto, in 1848

    GarfieldYaoi,
    @GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net avatar

    Then WHY DID YOU ASK FOR THAT VERY WORLD YOU FUCKING NORMIE!?!?!?

    GarbageShoot,

    He was probably born into it

    BigNote, (edited )

    We are

    Born like this

    Into this

    Into these carefully mad wars

    Into the sight of broken factory windows of emptiness

    Into bars where people no longer speak to each other

    Into fist fights that end as shootings and knifings

    Born into this

    Into hospitals which are so expensive that it’s cheaper to die

    Into lawyers who charge so much it’s cheaper to plead guilty

    Into a country where the jails are full and the madhouses closed

    Into a place where the masses elevate fools into rich heroes

    -Charles Bukowski

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