Why is join lemmy promoting a pedophile instance?

In case anyone is wondering, it’s rqd2.

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/93d08422-cab7-4b38-a23d-884c7925f346.webp

The definition of paraphilia is “a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities.”, which can inclde pedophilia.

It has recieved 4 censures from fediseer due to the content contained on that instance

Not a good look for Lemmy to be promoting any instance like that.

You can see for yourself here

Update: A pull request was sent to remove the sus instance. It should no longer show up soon

dessalines,

Sry about that yall, I was out today.

Its gone now thx to @SleeplessOne1917 .

Any admins as well as anyone that runs instance discoverers / crawlers like join-lemmy.org be sure to update your blocklists,.

Edit: In the future if anyone could make PR’s to this file, we’ll try to get to them ASAP.

dramaticcat,

Thank you

Transcendant,

Sorry if you’ve had to answer this question too much… where can I find out why these instances have been added to the blocklist? Some of them I recognise from previous incidences where someone has flagged them as problematic & provided evidence but some are confusing. I’m nervous about checking them out, but I clicked on one because it sounded very innocuous.

lemmy.glasgow.social just appears to be an instance discussing social events in Glasgow, Scotland, with additional focus on hacking / computer science… how come it’s been blocked? In the modlog I can see that they had a bit of a user purge about 3 months ago with no actions taken since then. But there’s never been any deleted comments or posts.

dessalines,

You can see the git log, or look at the PRs on that repo that edited that recommended-instances file.

Transcendant,

Thanks.

needthosepylons, (edited )
@needthosepylons@lemmy.world avatar

Err, are you sure about your words op? I just looked at their sidebar and it looks pretty clear about that, no?

Quoting :

“Nothing illegal under US (specifically Nevada) or local law. You know what that includes. (In case you don’t know what that includes, I mean child pornography [anything that fails the Dost Test], sexually interacting with minors, etc.) We have a zero tolerance policy for anything that fails the Dost test. Anything violating it will result in an immediate ban and removal of images. No admitting to anything that could cause the server to go under investigation, such as looking at child porn.”

Edit : Well, looks like they don’t enforce this rule indeed.

dramaticcat,

Don’t be fooled, check the fediseer link provided in the post for examples

Their biggest community is a MAP community where they don’t even pretend to not be pedos

DragonTypeWyvern,

MAP isn’t a real thing, it’s 4chan bullshittery.

fubo,

Do consider that maybe the same people are both (1) abusing children themselves and (2) blaming child abuse on LGBT+ people.

I mean, if the GOP can do it, the chans can do it …

DragonTypeWyvern, (edited )

Or you can literally google the 4chan post where they come up with the idea and see it’s just trolling.

unoriginalsin,

Or you can look at the history of 4chan “trolling” and realize that it is almost always taken seriously by the very people it’s intended to lampoon.

peter,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

Hmm, have you checked any of their communities? There’s a lot of communities on there that openly discuss being a pedophile and being attracted to children.

needthosepylons,
@needthosepylons@lemmy.world avatar

Well, I have know and you’re right indeed.

jerbid,

Jesus Christ the first local post I saw after checking it out was a meme about being a MAP from a user called “Matt Walsh”

I mean that’s hilarious but also damn it really isn’t a queer/kink instance that’s messed up

PrivateNoob,

Yeah that lad is pretty active ngl. Atleast Matt knows that being a MAP is pretty hardcore ultra cringe. (rqd2.net/post/15585).

(Fuck why am I complimenting degenerates like MAPs?)

such_lettuce7970,
such_lettuce7970 avatar

The word is pedo. Or goof, or nonce, etc. Let's not give them any legitimacy by using their language.

Emperor,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

I’d never heard of MAP, so just looked it up and went 'so a paedo then". Let’s call a nonce a nonce.

DragonTypeWyvern,

It’s not a real term. It was 4chan trolling.

Emperor,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

Ah right, explains a lot.

feminalpanda,

Dam, that’s sad. That was the first instance I tried to sign up with but it wouldn’t get past the verified email part. Guess that’s a good thing, I had to look me into it as I thought this post was just another alt right witch hunt for trans people. Maybe a kink instance could be made with hard rules about that stuff. Really a LGBT community with a wiki would be good. I just got on here so maybe something like that already exists.

dramaticcat,

Guess that’s a good thing, I had to look me into it as I thought this post was just another alt right witch hunt for trans people. Maybe a kink instance could be made with hard rules about that stuff. Really a LGBT community with a wiki would be good. I just got on here so maybe something like that already exists.

If anything, lemmy is making the LGBTQ+ community look bad by promoting this instance, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there are people pretending to be LGBT over at that instance to make the community look bad.

feminalpanda,

I agree, I hold no ill will to non offenders and hope they get help but the posts on there are not about getting help or coping.

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’ll just leave these here…

rainn.org/…/how-prevent-child-sexual-abuse-materi…

www.missingkids.org/cybertiplinedata

Darkassassin07,
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

Seems like the kinda thing that comes down to “because it hasn’t been explicitly told not to yet”. It’s a computer grabbing from an ever changing pool of instances based on parameters, not a person hand picking what they like. Computers aren’t usually aware of social ques or laws…

dessalines,

That’s correct, its fixed now.

possiblylinux127,

Because join lemmy is run by extremests

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Everyone I dislike is a pedophile

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

They are literally self-professed radical communists.

And like, more power to them, but they'll be the first to tell you that they are proud extremists

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

I realize that but I don’t think it logically follows that extremist are therefore pedophiles or any more likely to harbor pedophiles

hemko,

Except u/sharkfucker420. They’re a zoophile.

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

You dislike me? :(

Emperor,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

Sharks do.

Swim,

exactly this

MataVatnik,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

That was an interesting rabbit hole I just went through. There was a post about French postmodern philosophers who defended pedophilia that was posted on that instance as a validation to their cause, meanwhile all the comments under the video are of people recounting their trauma of being sexually assaulted as children.

technologicalcaveman,

The French situation just gave me more reasons to dislike Sartre.

morphballganon,

This is like criticising a knife enthusiasts group because knives could be used to commit crime.

It’s ok to have a community for kinky people. The fact that certain individuals look at illegal stuff doesn’t mean we should get rid of the instance, nor hide it from people who want to use it.

Aux,

Ok, pedos are here now.

morphballganon,

I’m more of a milf guy but keep pushing your narrative if it makes you feel special.

melmi,
@melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

You’re right that the post is badly written, because it just sorta says “this is a place that promotes paraphilia!” But in this particular case, this server hosts reprehensible content and is not just a community for kinky people that happens to have pedos on it.

It’s like if there were a knife enthusiast instance where the largest local community was about committing crime, where the admin self-identifies as being into commiting crimes. It’s absolutely true most knife enthusiasts have no interest in committing crime, and therefore the knife enthusiasts who don’t want to commit crime probably wouldn’t join the server that promotes crime.

The analogy falls apart a bit because it’s true that they’re not doing anything illegal over there, at least not publicly. But they’re still promoting viewing kids sexually, promoting sexual contact with kids, even talking about nude photos of kids.

silentdon,

No, it’s like criticising a murder enthusiasts group because murder is a crime.

dramaticcat,

You realize that they host MAP, beastiality, and zoophilia communities?

It’s one thing to host kinky communities (a-ok as long as it’s legal), it’s another to host pedo communities. Check the fediseer link listed in the post for examples.

can,

Hate to ask, but it’s probably better than searching, what’s MAP in this context?

dramaticcat,

Minor Attracted Person

morphballganon,

So you think people with more ethical kinks should be punished because unethical communities exist?

kadu,
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

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    morphballganon,

    I am defending the ethical users having a place to go.

    The ones who are “hell-bent” are the ones eager to use their pitchforks on the entire instance, ethical or otherwise.

    kadu,
    @kadu@lemmy.world avatar

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    morphballganon,

    You don’t get to decide what I am defending.

    kadu,
    @kadu@lemmy.world avatar

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    morphballganon,

    It is not asinine to want person x to not get punished for person y’s crime.

    CaptainBasculin,

    I do not care if people have a cuckolding, scat or whatever fetish they want, as long as it involves consent of some sort.

    Children cannot consent for sexual acts. Being at the recieving end of such actions irrepeairably scars their mental life forever; and any person who’s ok with this deserves torture before death.

    morphballganon,

    If you actually read my post, you would know we’re on the same side.

    magnetosphere, (edited )
    magnetosphere avatar

    That is a piss-poor analogy. Considering that you’re trying to defend the indefensible, though, I’d say it’s the least of your problems.

    morphballganon,

    I’m defending not punishing person x for what person y does.

    Skankboot,

    If your friend sits at the table with a bunch of nazis, your friend is a nazi.

    morphballganon,

    The nazis in this story are the ones who want to eliminate an entire instance due to impurity.

    such_lettuce7970,
    such_lettuce7970 avatar

    Are you fucking high or just stupid?

    magnetosphere, (edited )
    magnetosphere avatar

    Understood. I don’t know where you’re from, so let me tell you about a common legal concept in the United States: aiding and abetting. Basically, if you knowingly help someone commit a crime (possessing cp), you’re often guilty of a crime as well. Plus, there’s the issue of distributing cp. That’s a crime in itself.

    To me, though, the legal details are secondary. My biggest issue is informed consent. Children cannot give informed consent. Therefore, any sexual pictures/video are exploitation. That’s not okay.

    Just the other day, I was talking with someone about the important difference between morality and legality, but in the case of cp, I think they got it right.

    (If you choose to reply, take your time. I’m headed out and won’t be able to answer right away.)

    morphballganon,

    Including an instance in a search is not aiding and abetting.

    magnetosphere, (edited )
    magnetosphere avatar

    Oh. We’re talking about slightly different things here. I was arguing against the instance existing at all.

    As for aiding and abetting, I can see it being successfully argued that yes, having the instance show up IS aiding and abetting. Granted, it’s not as clear cut, but if it’s proven that the people maintaining the search engine knew it was an instance that contained cp, that could be a major issue.

    weeahnn,
    @weeahnn@lemmy.world avatar

    being a pedo is not a kink. don’t really understand why it’s that hard to understand.

    morphballganon,

    What you are doing is called the straw man fallacy. Obvs pedophilia isn’t a kink, and you would know I wasn’t defending it if you had good reading comprehension skills.

    weeahnn,
    @weeahnn@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah I guess when your dumass said “It’s ok to have a community for kinky people.” I mistakenly thought that you meant that pedos are a kink community. Honestly don’t know how I could have misread that. fuckwit

    BraveSirZaphod,
    BraveSirZaphod avatar

    Sure, but if the knife enthusiasts group is also promoting to you a "Slashing Children With Knives Enthusiasts" group, I think it's worth criticizing.

    And it is absolutely worth hiding from people who want to use it if the group in question is hosting pedophilia.

    Speaking as a gay guy, there is an astroturf effort from the alt-right to try to paint the LGBT community as being so "inclusive" as to also include literal pedophiles, as if it's just another sexuality or kink, and I'd rather prefer to nip that squarely in the bud by drawing a very hard line.

    morphballganon,

    Who’s promoting? This is just a list of the top instances by popularity.

    BraveSirZaphod,
    BraveSirZaphod avatar

    I'm not going to engage with a response that's completely lacking in any semblance of good faith.

    morphballganon,

    Lacking good faith would be the people trying to punish person x for what person y does, period.

    hitmyspot,

    Whose purpose is?

    kadu,
    @kadu@lemmy.world avatar

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    morphballganon,

    Ok, that has literally nothing to do with my argument, which is to not punish person x for what person y does.

    kadu,
    @kadu@lemmy.world avatar

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    morphballganon,

    The point of the thread is to hide an instance from search, which punishes more than just the unethical people OP is straw-manning about.

    Pistcow,

    Midwest Social?

    JackFromWisconsin,
    @JackFromWisconsin@midwest.social avatar

    Not at all. We actually block the offending instance.

    root_beer,

    Glad to know I joined the right instance

    Oka,

    Thanks to your awareness, its now the most popular listed.

    cyclohexane,

    I don’t have a link, but the lemmy creators (and maintainers of join-lemmy) answered this in a AMA about a month ago. They said they’d prefer the horrible people concentrate in their own instances so we can block them easily rather than have them in our instances. The join lemmy list does not serve as an endorsement, but a catalog of all available instances.

    jerbid,

    I think it’s important to add that the answer in that AMA referred to exploding heads (or maybe a different right-wing instance but something like that) and not this one. I’m sure the Lemmy devs would care a lot more about removing links to a pedo instance than a political one

    dramaticcat,

    I don’t have a link, but the lemmy creators (and maintainers of join-lemmy) answered this in a AMA about a month ago. They said they’d prefer the horrible people concentrate in their own instances so we can block them easily rather than have them in our instances. The join lemmy list does not serve as an endorsement, but a catalog of all available instances.

    Neither burggit nor comfysnug are shown on the instances page.

    cyclohexane,

    I’m not sure why. Maybe should ask them.

    MrSpArkle,

    Saying it’s not an endorsement is playing semantic games. Join-lemmy.org is a site that promotes Lemmy, and having this instance there is encouraging new users to hop onboard an instance that encourages people to discuss how best to rape children.

    Buelldozer,
    @Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

    They said they’d prefer the horrible people concentrate in their own instances so we can block them easily

    Then they need to stop stonewalling and add user controllable instance blocking. I know that some clients have it but they’ve been rejecting calls to add it to the main lemmy codebase for a long time.

    cyclohexane,

    I am pretty sure I remember reading in the latest changelog that they just added it? At least on the backend they did. Probably didn’t work out the frontend features for it.

    burtek,

    I think it just auto-discovers federated instances and randomly shows them on the page unless explicitly disabled…

    dramaticcat,

    True but it still isn’t a very good look for lemmy.

    burtek,

    Someone should then probably let them know 🤷

    hypelightfly,

    They have been told, the tankies that run it don't care because the people who don't like pedophiles called them out.

    superkret,

    The only ones who have to be concerned about the looks are the instance admins.
    Lemmy isn’t a product in need of marketing.

    Spzi,

    Many Lemmy users wish their niche communities would become more populated. For goals like that, the reputation of the platform is important. I also don’t want to get into defensive debates when revealing to someone that I use Lemmy.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    You’re right, but this is the sort of thing that gets blown up by the media and used to shut down privacy-friendly platforms.

    Maybe it’s a slippery slope fallacy on my part, but it’s not unimaginable to consider the idea that legislators could try to take down an enitre platform based on something like this. Just look at some of the proposed privacy-antagonistic legislation that’s been introduced recently to see what I mean.

    superkret,

    The Fediverse isn’t a platform with a server you can take down, though. That’s the beauty of decentralization.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Good point, yeah

    umbrella,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    still shouldnt be listed there

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