The Lemmy.World Terms of Service now in effect

Hello World!

We’ve made some changes today, and we’d like to announce that our Code of Conduct is no longer in effect. We now have a new Terms of Service, in effect starting from today(October 19, 2023).

The “LAST REVISION DATE:” on the page also signifies when the page was last edited, and it is updated automatically. Details of specific edits may be viewed by following the “Page History” reference at the bottom of the page. All significant edits will also be announced to our users.

The new Terms of Service can be found at legal.lemmy.world

In this post our community mods and users may express their questions, concerns, requests and issues regarding the Terms of Service, and content moderation in Lemmy.World. We hope to discuss and inform constructively and in good faith.

SaakoPaahtaa,

Accept

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Did you use the mastodon.world Terms of service as a base?

clueless_stoner,

Thanks for your inquiry. It was not used as a base.

douglasg14b,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

I think that community guidelines/ code or conduct should still exist at a top level, in a digestible form, and not nested within a legal document.

They can still be part of the legal document, but should be made more accessible if said guidelines are cared about.

Otherwise you’ll find that it’s a set of expectations that no one reads (And likely cannot find even if they where looking for them), when those expectations are critically important to community health.

clueless_stoner,

They will be a part of our support page along with other helpful content, we expect to share it widely very soon! :)

PurpleReign,
@PurpleReign@lemmy.world avatar

5.0.4: Do not post illegal content of any type. Do not engage in any activity that may encourage, facilitate or provide access to illegal transactions. Do not share or encourage the sharing of abusive or sexually suggestive content involving minors. Any violent or otherwise inappropriate behavior involving a minor will also always be strictly prohibited.

5.0.4 seems to be in conflict with the existence of http://www..com/!piracy. I’m not complaining about its existence, just mentioning that it seems to be a conflict.

_ffiresticks_,

I’d argue “transaction” implies an exchange… If you pirate content you either are giving something freely, and receiving nothing, or are receiving something while giving nothing.

deweydecibel,

What you argue is less relevant than the legal definition in the Netherlands.

gamermanh,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If you’re not a leeching piece of shit (like I am) then technically torrenting IS a transaction

Delta_44,

Heh, wait until you remember that if you block outcoming traffic it will be hard to download something at a decent speed (unless there are a lot of peers)

moosetwin,
@moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

like I am

Machine… I will cut you down, break you apart, splay the gore of your profane form across the STARS! I will grind you down until the very SPARKS CRY FOR MERCY! My hands shall RELISH ENDING YOU… HERE! AND! NOW!

*It was hard to decide whether to post this copy-pasta or just ‘you fuck’ This whole comment is /j, I don’t care that much

kameecoding,

in my country only uploading is illegal, not downloading so not necessarily.

deweydecibel,

What matters is the laws in the location of the server and/or the person who owns the domain and runs the site.

And the terms explicitly state which location whose laws it believes they fall under:

The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and the Republic of Finland Suomen

TheGreatFox,

So… does anyone know how legal/illegal piracy is in the Netherlands and Finland?

Docus,

Illegal in the netherlands. Not sure about finland

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Does !piracy exist? If it does I can’t find it.

PurpleReign,
@PurpleReign@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, it does. Click that link again now.

TheGreatFox,

Technically exists, but has been inactive for months. The active piracy communities are !piracy and !piracy - neither of which are hosted by lemmy.world.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

“Illegal content of any type” is an incredibly thorny concept. Illegal where? Where the poster is? Where lemmy.world is hosted? Within some nebulous consensus of Western nations? Only the US states that matter, excluding Wyoming and Montana?

It’s illegal to be gay in Saudi Arabia or Uganda. Is gay content not allowed? Switchblades are illegal in California but not in neighboring Oregon. Am I not allowed to talk about switchblades? It’s illegal to export strong encryption technologies from the US. Am I not allowed to talk about encryption? Etc., etc., etc.

ttmrichter,

It was quoted just a bit above you, dude:

7.0: The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and the Republic of Finland Suomen.

mateomaui, (edited )

Those communities aren’t hosted on lemmy.world and therefore not subject to its terms.

edit: if I’m not mistaken, those communities (or the instances they’re hosted on) have been banned from lemmy.world, so if you’re logged in as a lemmy.world user, you cannot see them anyway.

BradleyUffner,

I think they were recently refederated.

Thekingoflorda,
@Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world avatar

Correct.

mateomaui,

huh, interesting

Setarkus,

In miscellaneous:

In this event, the laws applicable to us, which were mentioned in Section 12

Which section is this referring to exactly?
Not on the same page?

clueless_stoner,

Oops, that’s supposed to be referencing to section 7. Fixed, haha.

JackGreenEarth,

How many people were in charge of writing this, and manage Lemmy.world more generally?

clueless_stoner,

I wrote this, since this constitutes our Terms of Service and that is more my field in Lemmy.World.

For an organization chart of lemmy.world and to have a good view of the team structure, please visit team.lemmy.world

antik,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

Great job! 💪

lemann,

That org chart is neat 👌

ChlorineAddict,

How do you fit in? You’re not listed on team.lemmy.world. At least the mobile view. Or do you fall under ? in community_team on the org chart?

clueless_stoner,

Hmm, I am able to see myself in the “Site Group” tree when I check. May it be a configuration issue? Try refreshing.

Also, the graph will be updated very soon, haha.

ChlorineAddict,

Maybe a CDN thing? Even viewing the GitHub repo source code I’m not seeing clueless_stoner. Eve…. Oh wait… there you kind of are. If I go to my computer and hover over @AvaddonLFC or view the markdown I see it links to https://lemmy.world/u/clueless_stoner whereas everyone else is a 1:1 mapping.

Maybe it’s how my Lemmy client operates, but I see all your posts as clueless_stoner, even your profile page. The team page is the only occurrence I see of AvaddonLFC

clueless_stoner,

Hahaha yes, that’s me. clueless_stoner is my username while AvaddonLFC is my display name. It can be confusing.

Zerlyna,
@Zerlyna@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t see you either. Opera iOS.

clueless_stoner,

That might be because my username and display name are different.

Zerlyna,
@Zerlyna@lemmy.world avatar

Ahhh I see now. :)

qaz,

©2023 LemmyWorld Page History

version: 2023-10-19 |

I appreciate that this information can be tracked with git.

ChunkMcHorkle, (edited )
@ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world avatar

deleted by creator

TORFdot0,

I’ve had a user disagree with me and then go through my entire post history and downvote every single one of my comments. I don’t get why someone would do that but I can see why Lemmy.world would put it against their terms of service.

HardlightCereal,

It happened to me, and it was the She-Ra fans who did it. They were angry that I called them monarchists.

michaelmrose,

Why is it necessary to count votes cast an unlimited time after posting. The best policy is to register votes in the UI for the user but silently ignore votes after max duration. So they can feel like they stuck it to you while not having an unreasonable effect. You could even detect and silently discard downvotes that matched that pattern or rate limit the downvotes against one party silently.

MindSkipperBro12,

“Not my previous updoots😭”

ttmrichter,

I get that all the time. It amused me greatly until the day I found out I can turn off the Fantasy Internet Points entirely. Now I have no idea if my votes are up or down or sideways.

And I don’t care.

Seudo,

proofs of idiocy and/or bad faith they offer

Then a downvote is justified, same user or not.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

If you were to turn that on for lemmy.world as well I think it would get you better voting behavior from users all around.

Is it possible on Lemmy interface ? I thought that data required to have a look at the database

mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Not through the Lemmy webUI, but if you spin up an instance and subscribe to communities, the posts and comments will start getting federated to your database.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

That’s what I had in mind, thanks

RightHandOfIkaros,

If you were to turn that on for lemmy.world as well I think it would get you better voting behavior from users all around.

I don’t think so. I think the more likely scenario is this would lead to people weaponizing other’s downvote history, and then very quickly people would stop downvoting completely. You’d have less downvotes overall, which is not always a good thing. At that point they should just remove the ability to downvote altogether, they’ll be accomplishing the same thing.

TORFdot0,

I think that if you access Lemmy via api, you can see who downvoted you specifically. I’d prefer it’d be turned off as I think people feel better about participation when they don’t have to go on the record to other users officially.

freamon,

Just for clarity: it’s not viewable through the API. As others have said, you need to spin up an instance. In contrast to the API, this means it’s not free (due to server hosting and domain name costs), and it’s not necessarily easy (for the non-techies).

ubermeisters,

So you’re saying a motivated individual can still quasi weaponize it.

Imagine getting blackmailed because someone knows you upvoted that kink content or whatever

jarfil,

Multiple accounts. It’s somewhat unfortunate, but in a public ecosystem like the fediverse, it’s pretty much a requirement to compartmentalize separate aspects of your personality. Particularly if you dare to hold different opinions on different things that don’t align with majority social groups of people.

Honestly, not writing this from some dedicated “introspection” account, already makes me slightly uncomfortable 😐

ubermeisters,

That sounds like an awful complicated way to say you care about what other people think too much

jarfil, (edited )

Or maybe I’ve met too many people who care too much about what I think 🤷

deweydecibel, (edited )

The best way to fuck a democratic process up is making votes public. No one should feel like there’s a “deterrent” to voting. All that does is create incentive to reward/punish people for how they vote.

Voting is what fuels the content aggregation, too. It is a very bad idea to deter people from voting how they please because it strangles the algorithm of the data it needs to sort the content. You want people voting, a lot. That’s what makes the whole thing work.

Edit: which is to say nothing of how bad it will get when people make tools that help automate retaliation for downvotes. You can potentially state an opinion in a comment and set up a bot to auto block every downvoter, then share that list publicly. You may think that sounds like a great system for weeding out hate but I promise you it’s going to be far messier than that, and more importantly, this kind of retaliatory shit hurts the aggregation even more.

ChunkMcHorkle,
@ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world avatar

No one should feel like there’s a “deterrent” to voting.

. . . It is a very bad idea to deter people from voting

You misread. What I wrote:

deterrent against weaponizing downvotes

Voting and weaponizing downvotes are two very different things.

To be clear, I used the phrase “weaponizing downvotes” to paraphrase the intent behind the written policy I quoted in full. Here it is again:

Do not engage in content manipulation such as posting spam content, vote manipulation through using several user accounts or consistently down-voting a user. Vote for the content, not for the person.

Seems like you have a problem with the policy then, because it is requiring you to self-regulate your own voting, and to specifically NOT vote as you please, but in a way that is best for the community as a whole.

ChunkMcHorkle,
@ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world avatar

Since upvoting is most of what I do, I think it’s great that people can see it was me who upvoted them.

I don’t mind the accountability of a downvote at all. If I didn’t craft a specific reply, it lets people know who to ask if they genuinely don’t understand why their content was problematic.

icepuncher69,

You can potentially state an opinion in a comment and set up a bot to auto block every downvoter, then share that list publicly.

Shhh dont give them ideas

mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Votes are public on Lemmy, in the sense that if you have admin access to an instance that is federated you will be able to find who upvoted which posts/comments in the database.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

That should really be changed so that you can only see the cumulative votes from any given instance and only a user’s specific instance will have records of their individual upvotes and downvotes.

TheGreatFox,

That would make pushing posts to the top via botting way too easy, and far harder to detect. Federation is intentionally set up so that instances do not trust each other.

tallwookie,

so less than 1000 people can see up/downvote data. not exactly “public”

mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s pretty easy to spin up a temporary instance in a VM.

clueless_stoner,

You can see upvote info by viewing from kbin. Upvotes are displayed as favorites there.

ubermeisters,

All Lemmy instances have up/down votes. its disabled by default in each users’ settings. Literally just go into your settings once, and look around.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a759fb1a-8cc2-4092-8826-fcf4cb7df6da.png

clueless_stoner,

Lol

jarfil, (edited )

IIRC Kbin recently removed the ability to show who faved/unfavved a post for Lemmy instances.

Edit: guess they did not 🤦

clueless_stoner,

It is quite easily accessible. Here

jarfil,

I swear there was discussion about hiding faves coming from lemmy… guess they decided not to. At least you can still follow people and see who else is following them… 🤦

TheGreatFox,

Votes on lemmy are inherently public, due to how federation works.

MindSkipperBro12,

The US is based on Federalism and we don’t make our votes public

mateomaui, (edited )

Minor correction, “4.0.3” is used twice:

4.0.3: You are responsible for your own experience on the website. While we are looking to provide an entertaining platform, we are not responsible for your individual experience. 4.0.3: The reporting function may not be used without good reason. Only report content that violates the rules defined in the Terms of Service, or content that violates the rules of the community it was posted to. Personal messages may be reported if they violate any of the terms defined in this document. User profiles may be reported by messaging any of the admins listed in the website’s sidebar, or by sending an e-mail to info@lemmy.world.

clueless_stoner,

Ahhh, very good point!! Fixed, lol. Should be visible in 2-3 minutes.

mateomaui,

Also, Section 5 seems to skip from 5.0 to 5.2, there’s no 5.1

clueless_stoner,

Hmm, I am seeing the 5.0.1 on the page. Wondering if it might be a browser issue?

mateomaui,

Not 5.0.1… beneath that section, missing 5.1 before 5.2

clueless_stoner,

Ahhhh. True. Fixed

HuddaBudda,
HuddaBudda avatar

I like what I see. Everything looks like a set of conditions I can support. I am not sure about the gore part, but I can understand why people wouldn't want that can of worms.

4.1: No one under 16 years of age is allowed to use or access the website.

Someone's going to need a stretcher for the roblox mods.

Xariphon,

I'm not sure if I should be angry at yet another attempt to exclude young people when the internet is already practically the last refuge in which they are allowed to exist at all...

... or laugh my ass off that literally anyone thinks this rule will be obeyed.

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

No one wants kids shitting things up dude

Xariphon,

I want young people being able to express themselves equally and without fear.

clueless_stoner,

Remember Lemmy does not only have safe content and communities, and this includes our federated network. If you think kids should be able to view some of those, then you are free to disagree. We are happily following obligations.

jarfil,

An instance doesn’t have to follow, or show, the content from all the instances it’s federated with. If you chose to do so, that’s your choice, there is likely another “kids friendly” Lemmy federation split on the horizon.

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s take a look at what comments look like when you encourage kids to sign up

Broo 💀💀

bro woke up and chose violence

And who could forget this classic

🔥🔥🔥

Age limits are entirely self-selected. If you’re dumb enough to out yourself as breaking them, you were probably not contributing to the community in the first place

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t necessarily. I remember when I was young, and hanging around on BBS’es and forums all the time. I was a little shit.

Xariphon,

I remember when I was young and the Internet was the only place I felt like I wasn't constantly being talked down to. It was the only emotionally safe space I had.

Eccitaze,
@Eccitaze@yiffit.net avatar

And the admins (and myself, for that matter) want to exist without the risk of doing a perp walk because Little Timmy saw a peen.

I’m on an NSFW Lemmy instance. I have multiple NSFW accounts spread over the various platforms, and my single biggest fear is that some shithead kid is going to ignore the giant “18+ only” warnings because they’re so MATURE for their age, they’re going to find adult content (or worse yet, try and message me and pretend they’re over 18 so I don’t block them), and one of their relatives find out and call the police. Intentionally done or not, I’ve seen exactly that scenario play out, ruining the lives of multiple people through no fault of their own.

The Lemmy admins all have to worry about this exact same thing too, except they have to worry about every kid and every NSFW account/community, unless they decide to either play whack-a-mole with the various NSFW instances, or move to default deny federation and only federate with known-SFW communities. And that’s on top of the existing CSAM spam concerns that they appear to have only recently gotten under control.

I don’t give a single solitary flying fuck about whether children can express themselves equally. They’re NOT equal to an adult, because I don’t risk jail time by showing off my [REDACTED] to them.

MindSkipperBro12,

This sure as hell ain’t the place for them.

Xariphon,

Said of essentially everywhere.

And then old people wonder why young people are so anxious and depressed these days...

ogoflowgo,

I don’t wonder. I know. It’s because they’re on the internet instead of going.the.fuck.outside.
There is zero wrong with putting age limits in place.

schmidtster,

News flash, kids exist and adults already have their safe spaces.

Seudo,

Agreed but the puritans that have to give it up before we can expect sites like this to overexpose themselves to legal action.

HuddaBudda,
HuddaBudda avatar

Sir, I just need you to confirm you date of birth is indeed: Jan 01 1999

But have no fear. It's not the rule people should worry about, its the punishment!

Clause 66, section 6: All ages 16 of less will be sentenced to 15 days in the meme mines. And possibly made mandatory mod of Boomer Memes for an hour. May the odds be ever in your favor.

TORFdot0,

It’s about legal liability. The admins don’t want to have to worry about dealing with all sorts of EU and US regulation for minors so they can have an official policy that minors can’t use the site.

Nobody really cares if kids participate but it’s not the admin’s responsibility to bend over backwards for regulations to accommodate them.

mateomaui,

7.0: The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and the Republic of Finland Suomen.

oh ok, some operational details make more sense now

Bluetreefrog,

5.0: Lemmy.World consists of a large number of communities from all around the world, leading our federated network.

This sentence is a little unclear to a native speaker. Maybe change “leading” to “constituting”.

I also suggest that maybe an extra clause could be added to pick up CP related content that may not be illegal, such as drawings, hentai and AI generated content that depicts minors involved in sexual or other inappropriate acts. It doesn’t quite fit into 5.04 as it may not necessarily be illegal (IDK) , or 5.06 as it may not necessarily involve gore or violence.

Syrc,

I also suggest that maybe an extra clause could be added to pick up CP related content that may not be illegal, such as drawings, hentai and AI generated content that depicts minors involved in sexual or other inappropriate acts.

Well good luck in defining what constitutes “a minor” in a drawing.

I think it’s fine like this, most openly loli/shota-friendly instances are defederated anyway, I don’t think the “gray area” where most hentai falls is bothering anyone.

Bluetreefrog,

It’s not about defining it, it’s about giving yourself a pre communicated basis to remove content that may be disagreeable but not strictly illegal.

Harvey656,

Love it, glad to be here on .World.

Spyd3r,
@Spyd3r@lemmy.world avatar

5.0.6: No visual content depicting executions, murder, suicide, dismemberment, visible innards, excessive gore, or charred bodies. No content depicting, promoting or enabling animal abuse.

This rule needs an exception for war reporting, and posting evidence of criminal activity or police misconduct.

ubermeisters,

fucking lawyers ruin everything

zuhayr,

You can’t say that word, no? /s

unoriginalsin,

True. “L*wyer” is a very taboo word in almost every civilized society.

pirat,

Then stop fucking lawyers :D

mojo,

They aren’t Reddit, they’re an instance. There’s no reason they need to allow that. That content can be for other instances.

michaelmrose,

That is bad logic and no justification.

jarfil,

They’re an instance, they can put a rule requiring every comment to include the text “I’m a little teapot”.

HardlightCereal,

Libertarianism is a garbage ideology.

CorruptBuddha,

And people can criticize that choice.

jarfil,

Sure, they can. And people can point out it’s the instance owner’s choice.

michaelmrose,

That doesn’t imply it would be a good rule which is what we are disagreeing about. Pointing out they CAN have a rule is irrelevant.

jarfil, (edited )

what we are disagreeing about

In a federated system, the relevant part is each instance CAN have different rules. If you don’t like one set, or consider it “not good”, then go to an instance with a different set, or start your own.

systemglitch,

“start your own”

“start you own!”

“Start you own start your own”

There should be a rule that allows for violence against people who say that

jarfil,

There should be a rule that allows for violence against people who say that

Are you suggesting to… “start your own”, violence? 😛

systemglitch,

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    Astrealix,
    @Astrealix@lemmy.world avatar

    Not really tbh. We don’t need to personally see that stuff — it can cause lasting trauma. Knowing it exists and who did it is enough for war reporting.

    Spyd3r,
    @Spyd3r@lemmy.world avatar

    Citizens of free and democratic societies have a fundamental need to be informed of what is going on in the world and their communities, free of bias or censorship, so they can make informed, reality based decisions and instruct their representatives in government on how to carry out the will of the people. When you start filtering and curating peoples’ perception of reality to fit an agenda or narrative you’re talking away their agency (you tankies wouldn’t understand what that word means), and interfering with their duties as a citizen.

    mojo,

    This is a private instance, not a government. This is so dramatic lol. You clearly disagree with the tankies and you aren’t on their instance, right? So if you disagree with lemmy.world policies, you can just do the same.

    needthosepylons, (edited )
    @needthosepylons@lemmy.world avatar

    I have to agree with Astrealix on this. Information should be free. But information and snuff videos are two different things. I want information. I don’t need or want to be constantly exposed to gore content. And I don’t consider myself badly informed because I didn’t see one guy chopping another guy’s head in 4K-HD.

    Cryophilia,

    I don’t need or want to be constantly exposed to gore content.

    A simple blurred image until clicked would prevent that, like it currently does with NSFW content.

    I don’t need you deciding what level of gore that I am allowed to see

    Feathercrown,

    But they aren’t. You’re free to go to an instance that hosts those images.

    Cryophilia,

    Conversely if lemmy.world hosted gore, you’d be free to go to an instance that bans it. What a non statement.

    I’m complaining about the policy. Saying I’m not allowed to complain about the policy, because that’s not what the policy says, is dumb.

    Let me make it clearer: I don’t like this section of the terms and I’d like to hear their reasoning for why they made that policy decision.

    Your reason for liking the gore ban makes no sense so I’m dismissing that as a possible reason for the admins’ decision.

    unoriginalsin,

    More importantly, we don’t need to be limiting the discussion of incredibly important political issues such as was just because the imagery is ugly. War is ugly, and reminding everyone of that is vitally important in preventing future wars. When we forget how ugly war truly is, we begin to allow for its glamorization. Much better for me to see the atrocities of war than for my children to experience them firsthand.

    Astrealix,
    @Astrealix@lemmy.world avatar

    First of all, I am from Hong Kong and utterly hate the CCP and tankies. It’s frankly insulting that you would compare me to them when they consistently fight for the complete eradication of the Hong Kong identity.

    But more importantly, there’s a line to be drawn there. I agree that it is important to be informed — but you don’t need Israel tweeting photos of dead babies onto everyone’s Twitter feeds and traumatising people to be informed that babies died. You don’t need to personally witness every single gory detail of humanity’s terrible sins in order to know that things have happened. That’s what people do as a job in journalism, and they have lots of protection to make sure they’re not traumatised by it. The average Lemming doesn’t need to see that.

    JewGoblin,

    what’s a “tankie”

    pahlimur,

    Russian apologist who supports Russia in the Ukraine war is how I understand it.

    Cryophilia,

    Also they support the CCP

    They have a veneer of communism but they really just support authoritarianism especially among geopolitical enemies of the USA.

    qevlarr, (edited )
    @qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

    Authoritarians of the left. For example, they support Putin because they’re against NATO, and they praise Mao, Stalin and other brutal dictators.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

    gohixo9650,

    We don’t need to personally see that stuff

    I find it difficult to understand that something should be banned because some people “don’t need” to see it. Then don’t look at it? And I’m talking specifically for war reporting now. I’m not talking for generic gore. It is war reporting. It is something that happens. By hiding it it only helps to enlarge our safe bubble and live in it. Sorry, this is not the world. If you want to live in your safe bubble it is up to you, but making it sound like the “correct way to handle reality” is wrong imo

    applejacks,
    @applejacks@lemmy.world avatar

    then don’t look at it

    ericjmorey,

    It’s easier not to look at when you know where it’s prohibited from being posted.

    Cryophilia,

    We could just make it opt-in. Then it’s impossible to accidentally click on it.

    ericjmorey,

    You can opt in by visiting a community on another instance that allows it.

    Cryophilia,

    That’s not how opting in works, at all.

    mysoulishome,
    @mysoulishome@lemmy.world avatar

    I agree that it’s fine to make a rule against it on a privately funded instance but definitely do not agree with your line of thinking. Sometimes you can’t understand the gravity of horror without seeing it, and sometimes you must understand it to be motivated to do something about it. A little trauma of is sometimes necessary to be an informed citizen of the world.

    mojo,

    Get traumatized by gore for “thoughts and prayers” on Facebook Lemmy

    n3m37h,

    Good thing these people weren’t on the internet in the early 2000’s with sites like rotten.com or toxic.com. much simpler days

    ubermeisters,

    cavemen were simpler too, go ahead and fully revert already plz.

    n3m37h,

    I’d rather not go on Tic Tok, but thanks for the suggestion

    TheGreatFox,

    Idk, I preferred meatspin and lemonparty.

    n3m37h,

    Bluewaffle?

    keryxa,

    Yes we do. Gore and mutilation are part of life. It should be shown on public television and kid’s shows so maybe we can finally understand the consequences of senseless warfare in future generations.

    ubermeisters,

    Checks notes…

    mumbles something

    Ah yes so kids have previously been exposed to, in the normal course of life:

    • Early civilization life at all in general
    • Gladiator events
    • Hangings
    • Burning people alive
    • Ad nauseam

    So those were the most peaceful eras of humanity then, by your logic, yeah?

    boatsnhos931,

    Sounds good to me, I don’t know why you are getting downvoted friend

    Feathercrown,

    Because they don’t know what they’re talking about. Although neither do I tbf

    boatsnhos931,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7f0ac57c-efe4-4312-a3dc-6d19278256ac.webp

    keryxa,

    I know, right? Thanks for the support.

    kmkz_ninja,

    The people downvoting you better be as consistent when it comes to Australias tobacco packaging.

    Astrealix,
    @Astrealix@lemmy.world avatar

    PTSD is a real thing. Trauma is a real thing. Yes, we are much too desensitised to war. Yes, we should absolutely be outraged and we need to recognise that warfare is terrible. That doesn’t mean that access to traumatisation should be easy. Look at suicide rates of veterans, for example. Trauma is a real thing, and there’s a reason there is so much research dedicated to protecting journalists etc. who have to look at this stuff so they can tell us the truth.

    gohixo9650,

    Look at suicide rates of veterans

    I bet this is referring to the US veterans as I doubt there are other countries with such statistic and I wanted to say that IDGAFF. They chose to go fight in the other side of earth thinking they are doing good. Going back and realizing how wrong they were and that in fact they were killing people inside their homes and who never were an actual threat. The reason of the suicides is this tragic realization.

    Astrealix,
    @Astrealix@lemmy.world avatar

    lol there are studies on it done for Russia, Ukraine, UK, Dutch UN troops who intervened in Srebrenica…

    Ukraine has been defending itself. Dutchbat we’re trying and failing to maintain peace and instead watched as a massacre happened.

    Yes, the US has more statistics, as it often does for psychology because many people don’t treat it seriously. That doesn’t mean the problem doesn’t exist.

    LastoftheDinosaurs,

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    Dremor,
    @Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

    For content the spoiler tag allows to change the title to show any string of text. You may put “NSFL” anywhere you see fit.

    But specific tags for posts would be a necessary feature for sure.

    mojo,

    Should copy mastodon instead with content warning tags. They function similar to nsfw/nsfl filters, but instead are filled with custom text as a warning. So the same function for nsfw could get used as “movie spoilers” or something.

    Dremor,
    @Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

    The current spoiler tag work this way

    
<span style="color:#323232;">... Gore
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Text or photo
</span><span style="color:#323232;">...
</span>

    Unfortunately not all frontend or client support it yet.

    boatsnhos931,

    You so cute

    ubermeisters,

    this is unhelpful also

    boatsnhos931,

    Thank you, I do what I can

    zephyreks,

    That’s what lemmy.ml is for. This instance is too big for its own good.

    Touching_Grass,

    And hobbyist

    Shard,

    Not just war reporting. There are legitmate medical discussions that can be aided by such depictions. There should be an exception made for legitimate educational images. Otherwise technically a biological textbook on dissection runs afoul of this rule.

    Desistance,
    @Desistance@lemmy.world avatar

    I second this. Educational content should be an exception.

    FinalBoy1975,

    You got terms of service, now. Looks sketchy. The yee old code of conduct was a good way to go. This here is a terms of service. The kind you click on to agree to most of the time. So sketchy it makes me think oh yeah, I haven’t agreed to them yet. Never going to. At least for noe I can say no and continue onward. You really want to enslave me but I’m not going to be your slave. Your terms of service can suck my balls.

    clueless_stoner,

    You are free to delete your account.

    FinalBoy1975,

    Yeah under the terms of service I’m also free to be a pain in the ass.

    clueless_stoner,

    Let me show you how freely you can be a pain in the ass.

    kmkz_ninja,

    Classic mod.

    Tenthrow,
    @Tenthrow@lemmy.world avatar

    enslavement?

    moosetwin,
    @moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    bruh really forgot that there’s other instances

    mrnotoriousman,

    I'm here from kbin and having a good laugh at people who are truly upset. This is one of the great things about the fediverse.

    Anti_Weeb_Penguin,

    My god just go to 4chan and disappear from this site please.

    moosetwin, (edited )
    @moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    literally (jokingly) 1984

    Cryophilia,

    Literally 1984 https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/19d2666f-0750-438c-b8ee-7f862e846d1f.jpeg

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