kodgehopper,

Why is the penguin a duck? Why not just a penguin?

BloodForTheBloodGod,

Repurposed meme

hruzgar,

“I can’t run popular programs and don’t get frequent updates”

jarfil,

Blackberry, is that you?

sevenapples,

Is this supposed to be a jab at linux? Because it’s wrong. The kernel is updated at the same intervals as Windows / Mac updates, if not more frequently. Popular DEs are also maintained and frequently updated.

About popular programs: Firstly, this is not strictly a problem of the OS, because they can’t force developers to build their apps for Linux. However, developers can do that, and with the advent of flatpak they can build for that instead of hiding behind the excuse of not wanting to support multiple distros.

Secondly, this is almost irrelevant because the majority of people use computers to either browse the web, or use office suites, or play games. In linux, you can browse the web just fine, use browser-based office suites that are becoming increasingly popular (or LibreOffice/OpenOffice) and, with steam, you can play most games that don’t have a linux build.

All in all, the minimum everyone with a semblance of computer literacy should do is dual boot linux alongside windows and use that for their daily driver.

SaintFlow,

If this is at the top of my lemmy all, the chances of lemmy going mainstream are slim.

intelati,

This is the start. we are the early adopters

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

Between this and the shit memes, I don’t know what hope we have

hellishharlot,

I’d bet reddit was just as cringe to start

Kaped,

Go back to Reddit

janus2,

and that’s a bad thing…?

Octopus1348,

On a rooted Android, you can delete system apps, and even when not rooted, but that will only delete for the current user.

stappern,

but that will only delete for the current user.

which then i wouldnt really call “delete”…

gsa32,

Android is Linux

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

In a way yes, but not really it’s more a JVM container that’s running on Linux.

Mindlight,

So Linux is an operating system and Android isn’t?

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Android is an operating system it’s just one that runs mostly in a JVM. It has a very similar internal structure and architecture to Linux and does run the Linux kernel (heavily modified version of it), but it also has very different functions from Linux.

Mindlight,

I know. I was just playing with Cunningham’s law to clarify that while Android is not GNU it’s still Linux.

jarfil,

Linux, not GNU/Linux.

See? The difference is important.

asexualchangeling,

What android is not however is desktop Linux

stappern,

not really

Mindlight,

Care to elaborate?

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Android mostly runs within a JVM, it has command line features that are similar to Linux but they operate much differently to Linux.

It does use the Linux kernel and has structural similarities in the file system to Linux but it is not Linux, or at the very least it is very different from most versions of Linux and how they operate.

csm10495,
@csm10495@sh.itjust.works avatar

This is kind of nonsensical. I used to have to build code on Ubuntu 10.04 so that it would work on 10.04. if I tried to build on 18.04 I would get glibc errors. (Yes I know it was too old, but marketing insisted we support it).

I can still target Windows XP for builds on Windows 10 today.

original_ish_name,

What programming langauge?

newjunkcity,

Seeing as glibc errors were mentioned, wouldn’t it be C or C++?

csm10495,
@csm10495@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yep. Was C++.

pikmeir,

Seeing so many Linux memes here on Lemmy has made me start to consider Linux in the future… I can’t use it for work, but maybe on an older computer or tablet.

shapis, (edited )
@shapis@lemmy.ml avatar

Won’t run on tablets. Not in any useful way anyway.

And don’t drink the kool aid. It’s great for some things. But it’s trading a set of problems for a different set of problems.

c1177johuk,

It runs on tablets and there are specific distros made for tablets with improved support and features. There are also linux-only tablets being sold.

And I don’t see what problems you’re trading for, ad I at least never really had any Problem on Linux that I couldn’t fix in some way.

seitanic,

Won’t run on tablets. Not in any useful way anyway.

They sell Linux tablets, though. They’re called PineTabs.

PonyOfWar,

I was actually considering a Pinetab 2 for my next tablet a few months ago, but the fact that they didn’t even have a working wifi driver (and AFAIK still don’t!) gave me the distinct impression that Linux tablets are currently still far from being suitable for regular users.

seitanic,

Switching to Linux was one of the best decisions I ever made. I did dual-boot for several years, though.

The thing that hooked me was all of the gorgeous screenshots people would post on 4chan and other image boards. Especially those terminals! The Linux desktops looked like something out of a Hollywood hacker film. In contrast, Windows had CMD.EXE, which was an ugly, clunky mess that hadn’t been updated in 20 years. I swear I could feel a slight delay between when I pressed the key and the letter appeared on the screen. I wouldn’t want to use that for anything.

Jeanschyso,

The windows Terminal exists and it’s actually nice. Yeah, Linux is very good for many reasons, but Windows still got a lot of good things going for it. Most people won’t find their use of either to be different, except in installing accessories. The absolute unit that is windows support for just about any accessory that comes out is unmatched.

For a few examples, wireless Xbox gamepads, HP printers, webcams that require proprietary software, some of those professional audio setups.

I know that Linux has a lot going for it too, especially in the freedom of choice in how the operating system works and runs, as well as how the desktop environment looks and feels, but let’s not pretend Windows has not improved since Windows 7.

seitanic,

The windows Terminal exists and it’s actually nice.

Ah, okay. According to Wikipedia, that came out 13 years after I started using Linux. I’ve never seen it, much less used it.

Honytawk,

Windows has improved a ton in the last 13 years.

stappern,

its worth it, i now finally have a job that has me using linux even at work. paradise.

chomskysfave5,

The other day I used my PC without Internet (cable not long enough in current location) and I tried logging into my windows SSD and it just wouldn’t let me.

It denied me access to my own computer because I didn’t have a long enough Ethernet cable, which I didn’t even need for the work I needed to get done.

It’s stuff like that which makes me so glad that I’m on Linux now.

My desktop has also never suited me so well, nor looked so pretty! The customizability of Linux goes WAY WAY DEEP. From desktop themes, fonts, layouts to kernel-level customization.

Honytawk,

Unless you are on a domain computer, you will always be able to login on Windows. Even if you don’t have internet.

And if you are on a domain computer, then that is for security reasons they don’t let you. Which is how it is supposed to be in a working environment.

If you argue against Windows, please use actual arguments instead of made up ones.

Johnmannesca,
@Johnmannesca@lemmy.world avatar

Definitely. Your old PC will likely run better than it ever has in your lifetime, so long as you can get the correct drivers…

AI_toothbrush,

Arch linux when you compile 400 packages because of updates while youre watching a movie and its still faster than i quick patch on windows.

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

I have actually found that it’s quite frustrating to install old apps on Linux, though it’s definitely a different reason than for Mac OS, on Mac it’s because they maliciously blocked it but on Linux it’s just because apps depend on old dependencies which either are a newer version than the app expects, or they’ve been deprecated (Linux devs love to do that because it’s more “fun” to recreate something from scratch then it is to fix bugs).

dukk,

That’s why I love Nix! Builds programs in isolation, so they always have the dependencies they need, no conflicts!

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

That is true, it’s more of a problem for proprietary packages (like CleanFlash player) which may or may not run properly in isolation. At least I had problems getting it to work but I got it to work eventually.

dukk,

Yeah, that is true. Proprietary software can be difficult with Nix sometimes.

SwingingKoala,
@SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

You should install what’s available in your distro. If you need to run some old and potentially insecure code you should isolate that in a VM or container anyway, and there you can run any distro you want that has it.

nothacking,

In my experience it really depends on the language, Python apps constantly breaks, Java sometimes works and C nearly always works. (I have seen 40 year old programs that compile without any changes) When it comes to binarys however, C is horrible because even a hello world (by default, this can be changed) uses several hard coded library paths.

jarfil,

Deprecating removes stuff nobody needs anymore. You can still start up a container with old dependencies if you want.

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Correction: Deprecating removes stuff maintainers think nobody needs anymore, or stuff they don’t want or want people to use. Lots of stuff is deprecated without any replacement for it (gksudo/gksu).

But hey it’s more fun to rewrite stuff over again than it is to fix what already works, right.

jarfil,

Correction: Deprecating removes stuff nobody wants to maintain anymore.

You like gksudo/gksu? Cool, you’re free to pick them up and maintain them… or is it that you don’t feel like it?

EyesInTheBoat,
@EyesInTheBoat@lemmy.world avatar

Linux duck: rootkitted and spreading ransomware because they won’t update their distro. Head looks like a Last of Us zombie on the bottom.

cheery_coffee,

Yeah but updating the distro will end my 17 years of uptime

Boozilla,

As a victim of nonstop Windows updates at work, I’m convinced only 10-20% of them have anything to do with real security fixes or important bug fixes. The other 80-90% are some random Microsoft jackasses pushing pointless stuff out so they can say “look boss, I did a thing”. MS has always been a crappy software company, but they’ve become much worse over time as the MBAs have grabbed the wheel.

norawibb,
  1. Open Outlook
  2. An update is available. Click to restart.
  3. Restart
  4. Wait 5 minutes
  5. An update is available. Click to restart.
superiorfreedom,

superiority

Zink,

Recently my experience has been that updates come more frequently in Linux, but they are much quicker and more seamless. When I see the little system tray icon (or equivalent) showing an update is available, I usually check it out right away. Unless there’s a kernel update that requires a reboot, it’s usually done in seconds and doesn’t disrupt what I’m doing.

I have been using a couple distros lately at work, in VMs on a company windows machine. We use Fedora for some stuff, and I wanted to mess around with Linux Mint too.

nomadjoanne,

Can’t proper AOSP delete system apps? I know essentially all phones come locked down but is there anything in base Android itself that precludes this? Just grab the su binary and Bob’s your uncle.

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Any rooted phones can delete system apps, at least I’ve been able to on older Android versions, I’ve heard newer Android versions make it harder but I haven’t tried on those because I haven’t had the need to.

nomadjoanne,

Oh I just mean the Android versions OEMs ship. Most of these lock more stuff down. That’s all I meant.

infyrin,

“I can’t run everything”

maeries,

Who can though?

jerkface,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

The Transmeta Crusoe?

z500,
@z500@startrek.website avatar

I remember hearing about this 20-something years ago. Did nobody ever try anything like that again? IIRC it was pretty slow

jerkface,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

I think FPGAs took over that space. You can configure an FPGA to emulate classic CPUs at the hardware level.

Kystael,

Most games don’t run on Linux and that’s why I’m stuck on Windows

neonred, (edited )

Dude, I run Star Citizen on my Debian.

The days of Windows games not running on Linux are clearly over.

Because of DXVK and others the games sometimes even outperform when being run on Linux+Wine than running on native Windows.

Just look at Steam Proton and how few Windows games are not supported to run under Linux.

Honytawk,

Lets look at some statistics shall we?

Steam has 10436 Linux compatible games. store.steampowered.com/linux

Steam has 70848 Windows compatible games. store.steampowered.com/games/

It is great that you can play some games, and it is improving. But Linux has a LOOONG way to go before you can say that “Windows games not running on Linux are clearly over”

CurseBunny,

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that page exclusively for games with native Linux builds? When people talk highly of Linux gaming these days it’s because of the work that’s gone into Proton, a compatibility layer for Windows games on Linux. You can play a large portion of Windows native games on Linux with minimal fuss now.

neonred,

Are these numbers only the Linux native ones or including the ones that run using Proton?

In any case, those are the ones that are officially supported, e.g. the ones Steam promises you those are working (or probably only the native).

You can, however, enable Proton for any game or application and you will find out most of them run without problems.

“Control” for example works flawlessy, even with DX12 RTX raytracing, using Wine, alas, it’s not shown on Steam for having Linux support and is also not in the list.

So the numbers are probably waaay too low and games that work with Linux support much much higher.

Gebruikersnaam,
@Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml avatar

This seems a little exaggerated. For example, over 10k games are Steam Deck playable/verified.

Honytawk,

Of the 70k games available on Steam …

That is 14%.

Better than before, but still a long way.

So not an exaggeration at all.

Gebruikersnaam,
@Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml avatar

Just because they haven’t been checked yet doesn’t mean they won’t run. About 75% of the games that were tested were compatible with the Steam Deck. Also, all emulators work on Linux too and sometimes even better than on Windows. The number of games that are available to you on Linux is simply massive.

stappern,

No Os can

c1177johuk,

My VMs with RDP using RAILS beg to differ

infyrin,

Do it without VMs.

jarfil,

Fun fact: Windows with Hyper-V boots itself in a VM.

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