MystikIncarnate, (edited )

Cornerstones of the internet:

  • social media
  • content sharing (video, audio media)
  • e-mail
  • websites

Internet resources ruined by ads/corporate greed:

  • social media (full of ads, borderline unusable without ad block)
  • content sharing (account sharing blocks (Netflix) war on adblockers (YouTube) etc)
  • e-mail (spam)
  • websites (ads, borderline unusable without adblockers, refuses to load with adblockers)

gg everyone. Time to reinvent everything.

Valmond,

I’m not internet god, but I have a possible first step forward with a protocol and working implementation ;

Decentralized websites, encrypted and takedown safe. Free, FOSS and based on reciprocal sharing. Nothing very complicated, you need to forward a port and run a program.

I’m just a geek though, not a manager or marketing person so I’d love some people checking it out.

Valmond

Kase,

So true. I’d like to add that also because of ads, social media and other websites are full of nonsense clickbait content, and every part of the user experience is designed to keep you scrolling through said content. Even with an adblocker, it’s like wading through a swamp to find anything actually worth looking for. (Of course, there are still websites with no ads, and even the ones with ads aren’t always horrible. But generally, shit sucks.)

MystikIncarnate,

I believe you’re referring to “the algorithm”. Which is usually just code for “a bunch of people that view and engage with the content you have viewed/engaged with also viewed/engaged with this”

I understand what they’re doing and I understand why, but sometimes, I just want a reverse chronological feed of my friends activities, so I can keep up to date with their most recent life events.

TheWizardOfLimes,
CallumWells,

As far as I know the OED is a very specific dictionary that’s way beyond what most people need and mostly for people dealing with language in their work. www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com would be the more personal variant from what I’ve heard.

MonkeMischief,

Hahaha good edit. Could you imagine?!

(Checks for myself)

…Oh…

It’s sensible that maintaining a current up to date dictionary is worthy of compensation, but I think the tragedy is that such endeavors as “maintaining current information on human language” aren’t just publicly funded, so here they are panhandling for “Dictionary plus” lol.

CoggyMcFee,

The OED has been like this for at least 15 years (possibly longer but that’s when I first encountered it). So I wouldn’t consider this an appropriate example of the enshittification that’s been taking place of late.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I believe it has charged a fee from the day they first offered the dictionary for online use.

TheWizardOfLimes,

Ooh I didn’t realize that, I was just Googling -oidal & this was the first result

danielf,

I’m surprised people still use commercial dictionaries when Wiktionary exists. Is there a reason more people don’t use it?

Kase,

Fwiw, this is the first time I’ve heard of Wiktionary

danielf,

Okay, that’s probably the reason then.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The OED goes very in-depth into etymology in the way other English dictionaries do not. It’s the size of an encyclopedia. This is the print version of the second edition, which has been supplemented several times since:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e7fc0cc1-f0a8-44bb-9e29-9fec2f0d8d61.png

rabiddolphin,
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

thefreedictionary.com

DaddleDew,

And whenever you want to search for information about something the result page gets flooded with AI generated garbage pages with misleading titles and that provide bullshit information.

MonkeMischief, (edited )

Top result Top ten results are always things like:

"You are right to question these days indeed, ‘why is the Internet enshittified and Ai is stupid’? Certainly, the world would like to know and you are not alone in wondering why is the internet enshittifed and Ai is stupid.

Today we will be looking at 17 ways the enshittified why is Ai stupid and internet.

[Table of contents (?!?!!)]

  1. What is an internet? "
thorbot,

I don’t watch YouTube any more.

Firefox still runs fine.

Most of my online reading is RSS feeds scraped into one place which is generally concise info.

My friends know not to send me Reddit, TikTok, or Insta shit.

Welcome to the New Web

crimsonpoodle,

What sort of RSS feed aggregator do you use? It seems like a really useful system I might want to try.

blind3rdeye,

I use RSS a lot too. It’s particularly useful for things that update only sporadically, like a personal blog or a slow-running webcomic. The updates show up in the RSS reader, and so you don’t have to spend time checking low-traffic sites (or abandon them). You can also use RSS to get updates from youTube channels if you want, without needing an account.

I use theoldreader.com as my RSS reader. But I’m thinking that I might just switch to using Thunderbird instead at some point. I’m happy with theoldreader, but I figure that if Thunderbird works just as well, then that might be better for reducing information leakage. (Which isn’t a big deal in this case, but it’s just a good general principle to minimise it.)

thorbot,

It’s fantastic. I use a free website called Feedly. Sign up for an account then browse categories you like and add them. You can also subscribe to RSS feeds you find elsewhere, and all your subscriptions can be exported to a file that can be pulled into any other reader if you want try new RSS readers. Highly recommend!

ClamDrinker,

Lets be real - This isn’t going to change on it’s own. The only way for it to change is if everyone collectively took a stand against it. Which simply just won’t happen. The most reasonable thing to do is to focus your energy on collectives that actively reject such practices. Oh hey, you’re already in one: Lemmy, good job. As long as we work together to create a small corner of the internet that remains true to what the internet should be, we can grow it and create a better internet in the long term.

zip,

Amen, ClamDrinker! Thanks for speaking the truth.

Dagwood222,

Or people could stop thinking small.

Back in the day, the GOP was completely controlled by Big Business. A guy named Jerry Falwell saw how Richard Nixon’s Southern Strategy had gotten him elected and jumped in. He organized his people at the grassroots level. If there was a local Republican club that got 20 people at the average meeting, Jerry’s church group would show up with fifty. At the start, they were getting dog catchers and county clerks in, but eventually their power grew.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority

Sarcasmo220,

The browser in my computer at work doesn’t have an ad blocker. I haven’t installed one because I most of the time I’m using it to access our intranet. But when I do happen to use the internet, damn are there so many ads! They literally block the content I’m trying to read, and come back even when I try to close it.

All that to say, due to enshittification I will forever keep my ad blocker on my personal computer.

caseyweederman,

I’m baffled when companies that self-host DNS don’t have DNS-level adblocking.

_dev_null,
@_dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz avatar

It’s because there’s websites out there that will entirely break, and for really dumb fucking reasons. I’ve seen some sites not even load due to google tag manager being blocked. Most of the time it’s a signal to me that I don’t want to have anything to do with that domain.

However, if this was at work, that would be a call to IT. Multiply that by potentially hundreds of calls on the regular, and that could get really expensive.

The better solution here I think, is to default the browser install with uBlock Origin already there. Then allow the user the power to toggle the addon to their own liking. Then last, train your employees to know what the addon is, and how to use it.

Then it’s the best of both worlds: websites aren’t necessarily breaking for all users, ads are absent as a default state, and users are empowered to control their own experience. (And yes there’s still going to be Jims and Karens calling for support, but they’re going to regardless, those types will always find a reason.)

Cort,

I see ads for the company I work at on my work computer, because I don’t have admin privileges to install ad blockers.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Can’t imagine what the web is like outside of ublock origin…
The few websites I see on pcs by clients are essentially state backed so they don’t have ads as well.

Scary world I am not eager to experience.

LiamMayfair,

It’s almost as though the overbearing Yahoo/Ask! toolbars that used to plague everyone’s Internet Explorer back in the day have mutated and infected the internet at large. Now most websites feel like one useless, giant malware-riddled toolbar.

saltesc,

It’s wild using a browser without a blocker. I’ve had one since they first started appearing so the internet I know is very different to reality. On the rare occassion I use a browser that allows ads, it feels like shit’s broken. It’s so hard to get anything done and a chore to read or view content.

LadyAutumn, (edited )
@LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Web 2.0 desperately clinging to life. FOSS self hosted web is the future. Internet speeds are fast enough on home networks that self hosting is perfectly viable for essentially everything, and for the few things that can’t be self hosted by just anyone, FOSS alternatives and work arounds to existing paid services exist.

Internet is becoming harder to monopolize, and increasing amounts of power and control are being handed back to the working class online. FOSS has become a movement that has grown exponentially over the last few years.

Their next recourse will be attempting to make jail time a thing for piracy. Both for hosting it and downloading it.

wewbull,

There’s certainly a bubble bursting. You only have to look at all the layoffs.fyi since COVID. I’m just hoping it’s happening in a slow enough way that it’s not going to take more legitimate companies with it.

AI is the next bubble. It will hit a brick wall either legally or just on functionality (maybe both). I can see uses for targeted models, bespoke to a use case, but training those is too expensive right now. General models are just toys IMHO. Unfortunately it’s going to get a few years for everyone to realise.

Meowoem,

Ha, yeah sure, and trains will never go faster than 15mph.

Natural language computing is huge at the moment because it’s a huge and significant development in computing - yes there are lots of shitty ai girlfriend apps and the same goes for generative ai there are lots of shitty art apps but human language interfaces aren’t going away nor are generative design tools.

Even just the coding tools already available for free are a game changer, every single programmer I know and all the coding communities I’m in are using chatGPT regularly. When generative design gets into other areas such as cad and cam with natural language and problem solving (as in task based algorithms like the Go solver) then you’ll start to see the how ubiquitous and significant these technologies are.

I understand why you’d look at the first commercial computers and think that no normal person will ever have a use for them but look at where we are now. The same is true for ai, current stuff is amazing when carefully worked and it takes a lot to get it all wired in but as the ecosystem of code grows and training sets become better established everything becomes much easier which enables more effective use cases.

GluWu,

You are going to train the AI that replaces you. They aren’t going to tell you that though. I’m starting comprehensive plans so that any future work I do can’t be fed into AI. Making hardware that just dumps random input when I’m not using it. Isolating and containing any human input that does happen. Distributing my work across as many devices as possible to only give each it’s single app use worth of data.

SuperSpruce,

The brick wall on AI is not functionality. It’s cost of running the neural networks. It’s simply not financially realistic to integrate ChatGPT into everything.

Jarix,

Jail time already is a thing for piracy. Seriously investigate the history of TPB if you dont already known it, or refresh your memory of it if you do

LadyAutumn,
@LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Have you ever pirated something? If so, have you ever been sent to jail for it?

I’m not talking about hosting companies. Yes, I am aware that prosecution exists for them and has been a thing a long time. I’m saying they’re going to start pushing for end users to face jail time as well. It’s the only real recourse they have.

nossaquesapao,

It’s not so simple. I’ve been trying to go the foss self-hosted way, as well as help p2p projects, and I got stuck because I’m behind a cgnat, unable to forward ports, and my shitty isp has no ipv6. I can’t afford vpns at the moment, so I got stuck. Besides, all that needed a lot of tech skills most people won’t have. This is a serious barrier of entry for a lot of people.

lightnsfw,

Until ISPs start cracking down harder than they already are.

Hammerheart,

It does seem like FLOSS is experiencing a renaissance due to rampant commercialization of the web

Wanderer,

Some one will say something offensive or a slight threat and the government will charge you for a crime like you did it.

They want the Internet to be HR speak only.

bobs_monkey,

That would require every government worldwide to be on board. Then you’ll have a couple holdouts, and they’ll take in the dough from everyone wanting to host their content there. While there is a mile-long wishlist from the powers that be, they’re still going to chase what’s profitable.

rab,

Peak internet was like 10-15 years ago

grue,

Facebook was the real “eternal September.”

wewbull,

Facebook opening up to non-students was the turning point IMHO. Myspace was big, but everybody knew it was trash so not being on it was fine. If you wanted “a profile” otherwise, you needed your own page. That took effort, so only people with something to say bothered with it. Even Twitter was still SMS based and so only for hardcore addicts.

Facebook gave everyone an effortless voice and lordy, do people talk crap.

grue,

Being opened up to non-students might very well have been the turning point when the experience using it turned to crap, but it’s always worth pointing out that it was nefarious from the get-go.

Zuckerberg: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuckerberg: Just ask
Zuckerberg: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
[Redacted Friend’s Name]: What? How’d you manage that one?
Zuckerberg: People just submitted it.
Zuckerberg: I don’t know why.
Zuckerberg: They “trust me”
Zuckerberg: Dumb fucks

rottingleaf,

I mean, the last line has a grain of truth in it.

rab,

I think the iPhone was, that’s when every person went online not just the nerds. Initial Facebook was actually pretty awesome before everyone had a smartphone

wurzelwerk,
@wurzelwerk@lemy.lol avatar

Thing is, most people don’t want to pay for services that to them seemed to be free since forever. And this creates collective social pressure to follow suit. Nothing a big company offers is ever free. You’re just paying in alternate currency.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Well…Twitter is trying it.

Powerpoint,

It’s gross though. Say you started to pay, they would still force ads into their product because they’re greedy and demanding more money. We’re seeing this with streaming sites now.

wurzelwerk,
@wurzelwerk@lemy.lol avatar

The funny thing is with youtube, for example, I am a premium user. I deactivated all tracking of my habits on there. Now I am greeted, as a homepage, with nothing else than a call to action to reactivate said tracking. As a paying customer I see less (as in none at all) content on the homepage than an anonymous user would. I am subbed to 170+ channels. Yet they tell me they cannot come up with suggestions unless they can track my every step on their platform. sus. And when saying funny I mean extremely aggravating.

OsrsNeedsF2P,

Screw em companies, only Lemmy devs get my money.

join-lemmy.org/donate << btw

grue,

It’s also reasonable to donate to your instance admin (although in your case for lemmy.ml, that’s the same people).

the_third,

Mine doesn’t want any cash 🤷

TheGiantKorean,
@TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world avatar

I just don’t look at it if I have to make an account.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Same. Those sites simply don’t exist to me. If it’s so important that I see it, then copy/paste the content.

LiamMayfair,

Yep, whenever people text me an Instagram or TikTok URL, I just scroll past it. I don’t even bother to find out what it’s supposed to be about, it’s completely inconsequential to me.

Mango,

Right? If your message is important, then set it free. If it’s not, then I’m not gonna care.

gandalf_der_12te,

It’s like they’re trying to show you a party that’s going on in some private location, but you don’t get in, because you don’t have an account. Well then, they say, if the account is free and you still don’t make it, it’s not our fault. So they close you out.

You telling them to “just copy and paste the content” is like telling them to send you a photo/video of the party. It’s not the same as being there.

Guajojo,

My thought exactly, and I don’t feel like missing out either

chiliedogg,

Which is 100% fine by them.

They’ve created a situation where we HAVE to use ad-blockers for security, so they instead have to sell our data.

If they can’t make money off ads OR selling our data AND we won’t pay to view the content, all we’re really doing is using up their bandwidth.

zeekaran,

You’re missing nothing on Instagram.

Mac,

Disagree. There are many amazing creators on the app creating beautiful art and music.

notenoughbutter,

just ask them to send a screenshot

doingless,

I have told my wife and several of my friends stop sending me things from ________, ________, and _________. I can’t see them and I refuse to do what is required.

aluminium,

Newpipe Lads rejoice

Cowbee,

Capitalism does this to itself due to the profit motive. Where once is innovation and brand new disruption becomes petty iteration as this new frontier slowly but surely becomes a well-oiled profit machine. The upside is that FOSS makes replacing this profit-generating soul-sucking bloatware with better alternatives very easy.

Replacing the existing infrastructure of Capitalism by building up parallel structures is a valid means of weakening Capital itself.

Kaizodrack,

Really waiting for an youtube alternative tbh.

Cowbee,

PeerTube! If you just want a better YouTube, check out NewPipe.

Kaizodrack,

Already use Newpipe, might give Peertube a chance tho.

Cowbee,

You definitely should if you want a viable alternative!

Grain9325,

Freetube

Bypass Paywalls Clean

jeanofthedead,

If you’re using Safari on macOS or iOS, download Vinegar for YouTube (and Baking Soda for other websites). It switches videos to the native player and skips ads (and autoplay). It also sets the quality to whatever you prefer (Best, in my case). Makes mobile YouTube so much better.

abraxas,

What I don’t get is how most places, people get mad at us for not being able to read an article due to the paywall. I mean, I’m not going to subscribe to 50 shitty news sites just so I can read someone’s damn random shit.

UnfortunateShort,

For real tho, I’m not paying Netflix money for a single damn news outlet. The prices are absurd.

LifeOfChance,

This is my biggest gripe with lemmy. A MASSIVE amount of links I try to follow is just paywalls or so damn bloated with garbage it isn’t worth the effort

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