MyMulligan,

I just read a good article about big tech is never a friend to decentralized stuff. You can find it here.

Fredselfish,

Interesting read lets hope we can keep Meta and Zuck out.

fyve,

That article needs more eyeballs on it. Maybe some funny memes to get that message out quickly

z3k3lon,

Someone needs to at least create a let me in meme with Meta and Fediverse.

Whisper,

Big tech has no problem with decentra, the one doing client monetization are on that fight. Some of them are big tech but that does not make the whole of bt accomplice of the fight.

TalkingMuffin,

This very much parallels the Embrace, Extend, Extingush philosophy pioneered by Microsoft in relation to open source software.

tartarsauce,

That's what I was going to comment too. Linux users know this old song and dance too well...

can,

This is a great read for getting some historical context.

hellequin67,

Not only for historical context but to prevent that history from repeating itself.

Facebook joining the fediverse will be for one reason only and that will be to find a way to crush it and/or monetize.

WheeGeetheCat,
@WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works avatar

Im rooting for everyone to stop paying attention to bullshit billionaires say, and start paying attention to the bullshit billionaires actually do

dannym,

paraphrasing Linus Torvalds: “talk is cheap, show your actions” (original: “talk is cheap, show me the code”)

Yewb,

Yeah, we were all sold on the illusion that these fucks are smarter or work harder than everyone else.

Ive met some of these fucks - inbred old money peices of shit all of them.

Wouldnt piss on a person to put out a fire, zero compassion psychopaths.

eric5949,

One of them literally just had his submersible implode because he was smarter than safety regulators.

Imotali,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

Is it a bit too soon to say "good riddance"

Like it's awful, people died, that does suck and it is a tragedy... but at the same token, consequences of your actions. If you're dumb enough to get on an unregulated submersible controlled by an old, off brand Xbox controller and dive to more than double it's rated depth.... don't be surprised when things go wrong and you die.

Willdrick,

whoa whoa whoa... I'mma let you finish, but the controller is a fine device, and logitech has some pretty good stuff. The mindboggling thing is that they used it for A SUB.

eric5949,

I mean I don't think good riddance needs to be said anyway, all that needs to be said is dude was an idiot and got himself and others killed because of it. Being rich doesn't innoculate you from being stupid.

Imotali,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

I don't think good riddance needs to be said

I mean that is it too early to say that the world is a better place without these rich fucks wasting resources?

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Let's not impugn the good name of the Logitech F710. It's a perfectly fine controller.

slaacaa,

Also, everybody is talking and forming opinions on the topic, while it’s just really just a “why would I care” type of news? When hundreds of refugees drown on a sinking ship, it’s a sidenote in a daily news feed, so it’s annoying when the media then blows up this “news” about rich people nobody heard of before.

Imotali,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

I think part of it is the location. Off the coast of Greece? Ships pass through all the time, one's bound to sink. Law of really large numbers.

But the Titanic? It's both inaccessible and highly mythologised.

Sure wealth is a factor but it's only one of many.

sobriquet,
@sobriquet@aussie.zone avatar

A bunch of rich people sank to the bottom of the ocean because of arrogance and ignored safety concerns, while trying to see a ship that was full of rich people that sank to the bottom of the ocean because of arrogance and ignored safety concerns.

fosho,

SENKORSHIP

saigot,

I wish Zuckerberg developed an interest in the titanic. He keeps ruining my hobbies!

Ertebolle,

I'm receptive to the arguments that the Fediverse should be open even to Meta, but we've seen this play out too many times before - you simply can't trust a big company like Meta not to try to take over + destroy the Fediverse, when there are tremendous financial incentives to their doing so and no meaningful negative consequences if they do.

empireOfLove,
@empireOfLove@lemmy.one avatar

The fediverse is open to Meta. They're welcome to do what they want. I will simply choose to not federate with and actively block every iota of content or instances they create or touch. Zuck is an ugly cancer on the internet.

DannyMac,
@DannyMac@lemmy.world avatar

Yup, you know they'll use the good ole MS triple-E tactic: embrace, extend, and extinguish.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

Which ultimately didn't work for Microsoft, at least not anywhere near the extent that people feared.

It's good to be wary and watchful, but let's also not become paranoid chicken-littles. Sometimes it's the open standards that end up "embracing" the closed shops and forcing them at least somewhat open.

3laws,

extent that people feared.

You're right, it worked even better.

Anyway, IBM is following their steps and RHEL is going down first.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

You're right, it worked even better.

No, it really didn't.

The main thing people feared would be "embraced, extended, and extinguished" back in the day was open web standards. That's what the big anti-trust suit was about, Microsoft was forcing Internet Explorer on users and giving it proprietary standards. Nowadays Internet Explorer is fully dead and Edge is Chromium-based.

People also feared that Microsoft was going to try to destroy the GPL and other copyleft licenses somehow. Now Microsoft releases many things under copyleft licenses, Dot Net's runtime is MIT-licensed, and Microsoft runs GitHub, one of the largest repositories of open source software there is (a lot of people freaked out when that happened but I've yet to hear of them "extinguishing" anything).

Microsoft is far from the most open software company but it's much more open than it was back in the day.

Rinox,

It didn't work because thousands of people put in lots of work to make sure it wouldn't work. The fear was justified, we just managed to band together and stop that.

It's like with Y2K or the ozone layer issues. It's not that they weren't important, it's that many many people put in the work to fix them before they got a point where we were fucked.

PenguinJuice,

Gotta stop letting a few people curate massive content for everyone or were all doomed.

tubbadu,

What happened?

HuntressHimbo,

Meta the company started saying they were going to build a twitter replacement on the fediverse and some instances made a pact to block them to protect their users from Metas invasive privacy violations.

tubbadu,

thanks!

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

Which is ironic given that the Fediverse's structure is pretty much wide open.

grue,

I see it as the Paradox of Tolerance (with proprietary walled-garden makers standing in for the nazis): in order to have a free and open Fediverse, we must not tolerate those who would close it up.

riktor,
riktor avatar

Meta (parent of Facebook, instagram…etc) want to have their content to become federated and part of Lemmy and Mastodon.

Meta has been asking Mastodon and Lemmy server admins to have a “off the record” discussion panel. They told meta to fuck off.

Here’s a post about the email meta has been sending to admins and his response.

https://kbin.social/m/technology@beehaw.org/t/82022/Kev-Quirk-one-of-the-admins-of-Fosstodon-a-Mastodon

gentooalpha,

@riktor @webghost0101 @tubbadu Its better if they don't lol because then even Mastodon will have trust issues because zuck can't stop sniffing people's data.

noodlejetski,

one admin told them that. some of them have actually met with Meta after signing an NDA earlier this week.

riktor,
riktor avatar

That is true. Albeit attending a meeting doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be selling your soul to Meta. Hopefully, those that do decide to attend stand up for the communities that are being built in the Fediverse.

RoundToo,

I would personally be inclined to take the meeting to better know how to counter their efforts.

fbievan,

Tbh, I'd really be interested into hearing what is said in that meeting...

yourgodlucifer,

They made the admins sign nda's so its unlikely we will hear anything about it

fbievan,

unfortunate... something ought to be leaked sometime... I mean their messing with internet culture. I hope something slips through

krolden,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Fuck that NDA leak the meeting

webghost0101,

I mean, if i was an admin i would rationalize that its in your interest to listen to the enemy if they might reveal their evil plan. Even if you have to sign a contract that you can publicly talk about it. (Can always confine to a distant acquittance that is prone to start rumours)

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