Track_Shovel, 11 days ago

You are all arguing about bears, but I am over here day dreaming

NSFW

Sturgist, 10 days ago

Uhhhhhhh…what a horrible day to be literate

AVincentInSpace, 10 days ago

yeah, he spelled exquisite wrong, 0/10 would not read again

Track_Shovel, 10 days ago

Nothing like some vintage copy pasta to sear your brain

A_Chilean_Cyborg, 9 days ago

I would love to purge this meme, and all of it’s derivates out of my feed.

EmperorHenry, 9 days ago

shitty people are just shitty, gender has nothing to do with it. Women and men are both capable of being abusers.

JasonDJ, 9 days ago

Man…my BIL with his baby-mama/ex-fiance. I used to work with her (that’s where they met, we all worked together at the time).

She’s so nice and bubbly on the surface but holy shit there’s a demon under that veneer and I’ve met it. That manipulative demon is how she became baby-mama after she became ex-fiance. But he puts up with it so he can keep seeing his kid and hopefully shield him from it ~half the time.

OozingPositron, 9 days ago

Ah yes what a fun meme, so much haha’s were had.

ArmokGoB, 9 days ago

There is zero quality control here. I would rather see spam ads leading to shady websites than political grandstanding and ragebait at this point. At least this post isn’t being intentionally divisive.

ano_ba_to, 9 days ago

If I were stuck in the forest with a bear and another person, I’d try to gauge if I can run faster than the other person. If not, I’ll try to see if I can hit their knee caps with something. But seriously, the problem with that hypothetical situation is there’s nothing actionable, you’re either for or against, no chance of improvement. On the other hand, you shouldn’t take things personally. We all just probably wish there are things we can do to improve.

rapechildren, 9 days ago

www.vidlii.com/watch?v=-HkErc-xfRK

killjuden, 9 days ago

www.vidlii.com/watch?v=A500uuWTk1S

spujb, 10 days ago

POST RESTORED THABK YOU MODS

starelfsc2, 10 days ago

Hopefully people see this and stop posting ragebait 🙏

MargotRobbie, 10 days ago

OK, seriously, I thought I’ve spent enough free time on Lemmy telling you to watch Barbie here for some of you here to, you know, actually watch Barbie.

So let me be clear: it is ultimately the Barbies’ complete disregard for the Kens’ feelings that led to the Kens being poisoned by the idea of the Patriarchy and all the subsequent mess in Barbieland, so way ahead of you on 2, to reiterate, what the Kens did was wrong, but you have got to take a nuanced approach to these things.

Also, on 1, all I said was that unlike the meme I feel that bears are terrifying, and then some weirdo came out of the woodwork and got really angry and start talking over me and calling me a dumbass and I was making it all about me somehow. The irony was so palpable I was at a loss for words.

TropicalDingdong, 10 days ago

nuance:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/125e4e17-1e2d-43f7-8240-966d67b1a54b.png

FiniteBanjo, 10 days ago

HOW DARE YOU /s

Daft_ish, 10 days ago

What? Men are going to adopt shitty beliefs and exercise their privilege no matter what and nothing can be done about it. /s

UnderpantsWeevil, 10 days ago

The gamification of social media means any attempt to draw a bright line of social conduct will just end in people deploying that rule in the most cynical context.

“Believe all women” means we’re going to slap generic women’s faces in our Avis and lie out our asses.

“Let people enjoy things” means reframing the most deplorable and nakedly hostile conduct as some kind of secret fetish you have to support.

“Protect Kids” means posting baby pictures under every comment and saying “This is who you’re talking to”.

“Act like an adult” means getting CP in your DMs.

When its all a fucking game and you score points by causing other people mental anguish, the only thing any sane healthy person can do is log off, touch grass, and get as far away from the hellscape that is social media as possible.

Daft_ish, 10 days ago

That’s an interesting perspective. They would say the same thing about “touching grass” when tv became popular. The scenarios you describe are more extreme versions of beaver and butthole are corrupting your kids.

UnderpantsWeevil, 10 days ago

They would say the same thing about “touching grass” when tv became popular.

They’d be right. TV absolutely rots your perception of the outside world. I can’t count the number of elderly people who have become shut-ins, thanks to the continuous bombardment of Sinclair Media crime-blotter local news coverage. People ingest too much of this crap and suddenly they’re too terrified to leave their homes.

The scenarios you describe are more extreme versions of beaver and butthole are corrupting your kids.

The Christ-o-fascists who lost their shit over MTV didn’t want kids to stop watching TV entirely. They just wanted the kids to watch religious broadcasts instead.

Daft_ish, 10 days ago (edited 10 days ago)

Growing up with them I can certifiably say you’re wrong. As a result I was out in the world doing things I look back on and think were fucking insane.

lost_faith, 10 days ago

Ever wonder how you survived? I certainly do

Daft_ish, 10 days ago

I know for the most part I was always trying to be conservative with my friends and though we were taking risks I would try to draw the line somewhere. I think that helped but a lot of the time I was encouraging it too. Otherwise just dumb luck.

daltotron, 9 days ago

I mean the phenomenon of televangelists and televangelical megachurch pastors that spread their messages and propaganda through the same avenues as conventional media is a pretty like, well documented thing, I’d say. Tune into AM radio or cable TV and you can probably still peep some of them doing their thing. I don’t think their point is necessarily invalid, but I also think there’s more of like a happy medium between, watching TV all day and going outside and bumming around town as a latchkey kid and frying your brain on spice in the back of a much older guy’s car, or like. Robbing a low rent low security corner store on the edge of town.

Daft_ish, 9 days ago

I’m not saying christian media didn’t exist I’m just saying at no point were we given the option to do that instead. TV was satanic and we should go outside and stay out of the way.

boatsnhos931, 10 days ago

Me likey

FatTony, 10 days ago

Could someone explain number 2 to me? A lot of big words, and I have trouble to understand what it’s trying to say.

bigschnitz, 10 days ago

It’s claiming that pushing men out of civilized communities, spaces and conversations ultimately leads to them embracing more accepting alt-right ideologies and movements.

FatTony, 10 days ago

Thank you!

FatTony, 9 days ago

Follow up question: What would be a practical example on how to achieve this? To not push men out of civilized communities that is.

Kedly, 9 days ago

Let us talk, dont immediately shut us up if we aren’t actively harming the discussion, let men know that their feelings are valid too but that they dont overshadow others feelings (jumping straight to that second half is NOT helpful). Let memes like this one exist without deleting them for lumping them in with the angry assholes

spujb, 9 days ago

👆👆🗣️🗣️

macrocarpa, 9 days ago

I think it has to happen in person.

At the heart of this is the unfortunate fact that nuance is lost in online discussion. The reason that the bear scenario is so notable is it is so polarising. “yes! That’s how I feel!” vs “you’re reducing me to a threat”

An honest and direct conversation between two peers is far more likely to have a lasting effect. Hearing what the lived experience is directly from the person who’s experiencing it is far, far more more compelling than the stark bear statement.

I don’t feel unsafe most of the time. But I have felt unsafe and vulnerable before. Thus when a female colleague told me about being followed by a guy in a park while walking her dog, and feeling torn between straight running away and keeping her pet safe, it resonated directly with me. I could see her reliving the experience and see her distress. She shouldn’t have to go through that. It’s not fair.

That conversation resonated far more completely than the bear tweet.

daltotron, 9 days ago

I don’t even think it has to be like, in person, necessarily, I just think it needs to be engaged with in good faith outside of like, the framing of the conversation as being spurned on by some sort of hypothetical, or being spurned on without like. Reportage between two people, without a relationship there pre-established. I’ve definitely had compelling conversations online, it’s just that it happens so often to be kind of, in spite of the larger machine they took place inside of.

macrocarpa, 9 days ago

The reason I say in person is because if the amount of information which is transmitted via direct conversation is orders of magnitude higher than through eye contact, tone, language and body language.

If you and I were talking right now, I could maintain eye contact, rotate my shoulders so I face you, position my head in a way that says I’m listening, use my voice to indicate that I’m contrite, or uncomfortable, or supportive.

It can be excruciatingly uncomfortable for people who are used to having virtual tools abstract away the hard parts of interaction. But that’s exactly what (in this case) women are saying they feel. They feel, in the real world, they’re not safe. To me, the weight of that comes from a direct interaction rather than a news article or twitter post.

My opinion etc

Draedron, 10 days ago

It blames women who express their fear of being scared of men for the violence commited by men against women

lurker2718, 10 days ago

I think your post is exactly what is criticized by OP. In the first part of the post it is explicitly stated men should not talk over the fear of women. A message like yours seems to blame people just because they criticize the way of discussion in some places. I think it is obvious that men are influenced in a possible negative way, when they are always seen as danger. At least for me it probably contributed to my low self esteem, especially in all sex/gender related topics. I think, we as men do so much harm, I don’t want to take part in this. But i took it to the extreme, so I was ashamed of everything sexual about me. But as OP said, all of this doesn’t invalidate the feeling of any woman. But for example this situation here is not governed by fear, still it seems you can’t discuss the social effects of this sentiment “against” man, without discrediting the other side. Sure, violence done mainly to women is the most important topic. But if men always get portrayed as danger, I can understand some are open to other, more misogynist worldviews.

macrocarpa, 9 days ago

Read their post history, it’s a troll

macrocarpa, 9 days ago

Gr8 b8 m8

520, 10 days ago

Men being excluded/ostracised in social circles and spaces for no other reason (related to that individual) than their gender makes them feel 'othered' and in turn vulnerable to extremist propaganda.

macrocarpa, 9 days ago (edited 9 days ago)

It’s a lot easier to identify with the bad guys if you’re assumed to be a bad guy.

“Women think I’m more dangerous than a bear? What the hell? I never did anything”

Followed by

“hey what this guy on YouTube says is true, women sexualise themselves, I mean look at instagram. This isn’t my problem,.”

I know this is a bit of an over simplification but thought 1 is what I thought.

I’m a bit older, tho and my second thought was - “but ive never felt unsafe alone with a woman, definitely have felt unsafe around some men.”

sparkle, 10 days ago (edited 10 days ago)

Young men are much more likely to be non-conforming to sexist cultural/gender norms and stereotypes, which often leads to them being ostracized more by general society and makes it easier for grifters (like manosphere influencers) to take ahold of them and radicalize them with alt-right and/or extremely misogynistic beliefs.

There are plenty of amazing feminist role models, but the right’s form of propoganda is so much more enticing because it tells you that everyone else is the problem and you’re superior to others, rather than ask you to give a shot at understanding reality like leftist influences do. That goes with anything on the right, fascists are a lot more motivating and good at gaining/rallying radical supporters because it’s so much easier to get people on your side if you’re allowed to lie about everything. So naturally, impressionable – and extremely vulnerable and emotionally volatile – young men gravitate towards the extreme negative influences due to how our society and education is poorly set up to prevent that.

And in this case how sexism and toxic masculinity is deeply ingrained into our society that so many of these young men are made to feel like they’re “not real men” by those around them, it really pushes them towards this even more. Rather than reject the idea of a “real man” or a “real woman”, they embrace them even more and convince themselves that they are the realest men, and OTHERS are pathetic.