therealjcdenton,

This would also incentive devs to actually finish their game instead of getting stuck in early access limbo

Blackmist,

Nah, they’d just call it finished and do the same thing.

Pika,

This is actually one of the rare times that I fully agree with the everyday consumer when it comes to Early Access. I absolutely 100% agree with this statement if you are still an early access there should not be paid DLC, perhaps they should be able to have free DLC the workshop but definitely should not be allowed to have paid dlc/expansions

moon,

Then don’t buy it. Nothing wrong with it.

Wogi,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e98c2884-caee-44bb-b80e-a02848348cf2.jpeg

Because Steven Crowder doesn’t deserve to be a meme

ChillDude69,

Ya know, Calvin really has more in common with Crowder than you might think.

They obviously both childish. They’re fundamentally selfish beings. They have incredibly vivid imaginations, but they only ever use them to amuse themselves and reinforce their delusion that they’re the most important person. They believe themselves to be rebels against a banal and suffocating system, but in reality they’re just irritating little shits, constantly acting upon every rogue impulse of their raging ego and id, with no regard for how they’re making life hard for the people who have to live near them.

citrusface,

Man I really hate how right you are.

ChillDude69,

Basically, if he ever stops seeing Hobbes as a talking tiger, that’ll be the day he just turns into someone like Crowder. Hobbes is kind of a dick, too, but he’s Calvin’s conscience. He’s Calvin’s connection to empathy and vulnerability. When he wakes up one day, and just sees a lifeless stuffed toy, he’ll be a true monster.

Fedizen,

didn’t like crowder show is dick to all the bros at his work tho?

Imo, Calvin at least is an imaginative, creative individual with an imaginary tiger that frequently gives him shit for his flaws. Kids also notably grow through self absorbed phases while Crowder acts a similar way as an adult.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Calvin is also only six years old, so he has an excuse.

Eyelessoozeguy,

I think thor said it best, horse armor made more money than starcraft 2 expansion. Thus was the beginning of shit DLC cash grabs

ChillDude69,

horse armor made more money than starcraft 2 expansion. Thus was the beginning of shit DLC cash grabs

The most annoying thing about that aspect of the phenomenon is how it’s based completely and entirely on a false premise. When you do some crazy new shit and it takes off like gangbusters, you CAN’T JUST ASSUME THAT IT’S GOING TO BE POPULAR FOREVER.

Sometimes, a new product or service is immediately popular because it’s genuinely a hot seller. The day hotcakes were invented, people probably said they were selling like blowjobs. Then they somehow sold even better than blowjobs, so they became the new idiom. But the thing is, that’s not a guaranteed thing, for every product, and you shouldn’t base the future of your industry on your bullshit assumptions.

The goddamned horse armor sold like crazy because it was a new thing. The potential market for $2.50 worth of micro-content was beyond wide open. Huge numbers of people were ready to go “LOL, I’LL BUY THAT INSTEAD OF A CRUNCHWRAP SUPREME.” That should NOT have been an indicator of further success, in and of itself. But big business motherfuckers don’t want to use actual logic, or even real intuition. They just said to themselves “I really want this to be the new easy way of printing money,” and so they have spent all the following years FORCING that paradigm into existence.

But I think it’s a false paradigm. Nobody talks about the money that’s being left on the table, when such a huge percentage of the industry has been given over to microtransaction-based nonsense. The Battle Royale, MOBA, and Hero Shooter genres are as saturated as they’re going to be. What about people (like myself, for instance) who play absolutely none of those games?

I’ve never played them. I’m never going to play them. I’m not even refraining from playing them because I hate microtransactions. I just dislike them, as genres. They’re not my cup of tea. I play mostly play a mixture of sandbox games, RPGs, single-player action and shooter games, strategy games, and VR games, as well as a few survival/crafting/fighting games, like Terraria/Starbound.

I’m not alone. There are other people like me, who always want more intentional, in-depth content. If anybody doubts the possibility for better games to make money, you only need to look at Baldur’s Gate 3. That game has made shitloads of money. Money that corporate advocates of the “we can just print money with skins and stickers” philosophy can never have access to, unless they also pry open their wallets, and invest in real content.

ShustOne,

We as gamers who want this are completely outdone by the insane amount of money some people will spend in this market. Change my mind.

PS. I hate the DLC and micro transaction market as they exist today. But they make 1000x the old market so no way anything changes.

force,

war thunder, destiny 2, what other games are there for the sole purpose of milking multiple payments of money out of people over a long period of time

gta 5 online probably counts too

ShustOne,

Doesn’t even have to be the sole reason to be a money killer. WoW, CS2, LoL, Dota. All free to play because if you milk them for $1 for something small it still makes more money than the base game.

Starayo,
@Starayo@lemmy.world avatar

I would consider selling something like a soundtrack acceptable but no game content dlc, absolutely.

Anticorp,

Fuck that. Why is that acceptable? A soundtrack is a basic part of a game. You’re so used to paying for extra shit that you forgot that options like those are part of the game that you paid for from non bullshit companies.

Starayo,
@Starayo@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t know shit about how remuneration for composers works, huh.

Anticorp,

Are you trying to imply that the only way a game music composer can make money is if the game studio sells you their music as dlc? So all the games without dlc soundtracks just got their music off some hobo in an alley and nobody got paid?

Starayo,
@Starayo@lemmy.world avatar

🤡

Kase,

I’m not a programmer or a gamer (or a musician), just curious. What does make it different?

Starayo,
@Starayo@lemmy.world avatar

They get paid for their work, obviously, but often a significant portion of their ongoing pay is based on soundtrack sales, whether physical or digital.

For one example, you can look into how Id screwed over Mick Gordon with the doom eternal OST, but it’s a long and frustrating read.

Telodzrum,

OST in a straight audio format has never been part of buying the game unless you ripped the files yourself. Be more entitled.

Anticorp,

Be more entitled

Lol, whatever. Keep paying for stupid shit I guess. The studios definitely know their market.

Telodzrum,

I don’t pay for it, my man. If anyone making video game music was talented they’d be making actual music.

Misconduct,

You’re just dead wrong for that. You can’t be serious?

shneancy,

dang, honestly one of the worst takes I’ve seen this year

T00l_shed,

Right? There are so many OST for games that are absolutely amazing. It’s “real” music whatever that was supposed to mean.

shneancy,

exactly. The first thing that came to my mind was Hollow Knight OST, if it’s not “real” then I guess I must’ve imagined how much it slaps

force,

Define “actual music”. Does it become real music when it’s part of a movie sound track? Or when it’s played on pop radio stations? When it gets performed by middle schoolers in band classes? When the London Philharmonic performs it? When it reaches Billboard 100? When the artist wins a grammy? Do you need to be in ASCAP to make music? I’m a little confused as to what would differentiate music made for digital entertainment from any other music.

x4740N,

Fuck that bigot

Someone needs to make a new template with that bigot photoshoped out

x4740N,
newjunkcity,

Is that Aflleck? 😂

ShunkW,

Who is that? I dunno if I’ve ever seen the original and don’t recognize the person

jdaxe,

Stephen Crowder, he’s a right winger YouTuber.

It’s from a series where he’d set up a table like this at a university with a right-wing opinion on the front and debate students over it.

Kase,

In case anybody else is curious, Stephen Crowder is not the same person as David Crowder (stage name, Crowder), a popular Christian musician.

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

And by “debate”, they mean “talk over the other person, make a thousand shitty arguments a minute, and call it a win when the other person gets frustrated and walks away”

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

A spouse-abusing right-winger. That’s the key detail at this point.

dallasobserver.com/…/steven-crowder-caught-on-cam…

thorbot,

Space engineers had joined the thread

Glytch,

Also also: can we make it that developers have only one Early Access game at a time. Finish the game before moving on to the next one, or abandon it and release it without the EA label.

ChillDude69,

YES! That’s maybe the most important point I could make, but I forgot to make it.

tygerprints,

I wish I had access to Steam - it won't run in my PC, yet it has all these amazing casual games I want to try!! : ( But I would never buy DLC for a game that hadn't been (and might never be) released yet.

Agrivar,

What kind of PC are you running, a 286 Compaq from the early 90s?

tygerprints,

Lord knows, I think this PC was made from rocks and twigs 2000 years ago. It's still running Windows 7 (I mean - windows 7!! What is this, 1824???) Anyway - I have a newer PC but for some reason, it won't connect to the internet (!) and this one will, but won't run anything like steam or any other applications. I'm living in the prehistoric ages, man.

Snapz,

Use Calvin and Hobbes template or something like this instead https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/506227e1-6b08-473b-9fdc-63dce3d03e94.jpeg

ChillDude69,

Like I said before, I forgot who that dipshit even was, especially since the template for the meme is so incredibly low-resolution. Hilariously, his actual dipshit sign looked so stupid that I thought it was a fake, when I saw it in the image search, when I went to get the blank one.

He’s a fucking clown, beyond all description.

Kase,

Yikes, I’d never saw the original photo before now. What a dick.

FurtiveFugitive,

Holy shit. I’ve always seen this thing pretty low res, never looked closely, and thought that was billy eichner doing a bit from his on the street show or something!

ChillDude69,

For real. Now that I realize who it is, I can’t see anything but how punchable his fucking smirking face is.

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

Crowder, Shapiro and Kirk somehow all have the most punchable faces on the planet. Their personalities sure don’t help them.

ChillDude69,

Krik always looked like he had to cobble together a working head, from a skull and a face that weren’t sized to fit each other. That has been true, the whole time. Even before those memes where his face is really tiny. Those memes just pointed the situation out, in stark clarity.

unreasonabro,

wonder if steam gets 30% of all that too

ChillDude69, (edited )

I can’t understand the hate for Steam/Valve taking 30 percent. Back in the day, when people were forced to rely on traditional brick-and-mortar sales models, developers could consider themselves lucky if they got the 30 percent. When publishers, disc/disk manufacturers, box printers, shippers, and retailers finally got done taking all their cuts, it could amount to more than 70 percent. Easily. The lowly creator of the software was an afterthought, in the payment pecking order.

But noooooo, Valve is eeeevil incarnate, because they take 30 fucking percent. Fuck that. 30 percent is reasonable. And what do they do with that money? Does Gaben flaunt his private jet travel and buy sketchy islands, like a some billionaires? Nah. They pump the money back into weird, tech-focused projects. Modern VR would be ENTIRELY under the control of FACEBOOK AND APPLE, if it wasn’t for Valve spending their money stash on the SteamVR systems.

I know I sound like a fanboy. It’s not even REALLY about any of the stuff I’ve said, so far. The biggest reason why it’s okay for Valve to take 30 percent is to insure that Steam will always exist, and always be thriving, barring a vast and all-encompassing planet-wide economic catastrophe. Nobody has to worry about their Steam library suddenly vanishing. People might be tempted to praise alternative distributors, like Itch.io, because they take only a 10 percent cut. But you only have to look at their website to realize they’re incredibly fragile, by comparison. I don’t know if Itch.io will still be around in ten years, twenty years, certainly not thirty years. Steam WILL be around in fifty years, when I’m an old, old man. I’d be SHOCKED if it wasn’t around a century from now.

That kind of guaranteed future costs money. That is a stone cold fact, whether you like it or not.

EDIT: I just looked it up, and it seems that Gaben does indeed own an island. Pfft. Whatever. I still don’t begrudge Valve existing, exactly the way it exists. If Valve hadn’t built Steam, we’d be living in a universe where Google/Alphabet handled the lion’s share of PC game distribution. Wouldn’t THAT be lovely for everyone?

EDIT 2: the article that I found, implying that Gaben owns an island, appears to be satire. LOL.

Riven,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Just wanna commend you for proving yourself wrong on one of your own facts. Even if it did turn our you were right about him not owning an island.

ChillDude69,

Thanks.

Madison420,

Any transaction through steam as far as I understand it.

Snapz,

Stop using this fucking idiot for your memes, there’s alternatives if you need them, but this dude objectively sucks.

johannesvanderwhales,

Who is it?

JackbyDev,

Stephen Crowder.

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

I wanted to challenge this but I can’t think of a single early access that I have that tried it, I can only think of ARK and they got roasted for it, even more so when people discovered that ATLAS was a reskin of ARK.

yuriy,

ARK has a whole ass sequel and the base game is STILL horribly unoptimized AFAIK. To be fair, I’m on linux, but that’s hardly an excuse when like 95% of other titles work just fine!

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t worry, ARK runs like ass anywhere, it’s so intrinsic to the game that the remaster also runs like ass.

Asafum,

I think they’re talking about emperyon galactic survival. They never finished the game, but took it out of EA, and now they just sold a story based DLC when the main game doesn’t even have its story completed yet…

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