thenexusofprivacy, (edited )

A poll: if you're planning on blocking Threads , do you want your posts to federate there so that hate groups can interact with them and Meta can track you?

The way blocking works on Mastodon, if your instance hasn't enabled "authorized fetch", blocking Threads won't actually prevent your posts from federating there if somebody on another instance who hasn't blocked Threads boosts your post. This means that anybody on Threads can still potentially see your posts, including hate groups like Libs of TikTok and Gays Against Groomers. And Meta's privacy policy says they'll use the information to target advertising and improve their products by training AIs. And most large Mastodon instances today haven't turned on authorized fetch.

If you're planning on -- or considering -- blocking Threads, do you still want your posts to federate there?

@fediverse @fediversenews

robotistry,
@robotistry@sciencemastodon.com avatar

@thenexusofprivacy @fediverse @fediversenews In principle, I don't have a problem with my posts federating and being viewable by others. I have a major problem with them being used for purposes like enabling Meta to make more money.

Is there any way we can get @lessig involved to assemble something like creative commons licensing for posts?

thenexusofprivacy,

@robotistry It'd be interesting try to come up with a terms of service for posts that prevent Meta from using them to make money but as far as I know nobody's come up with an approach yet that would work.

hans,
@hans@mastodon.hansup.be avatar

@thenexusofprivacy thanks for the link to the article. Much clearer now.
Blocking only seems straight forward. It's a lot more complicated. Not so safe as we thought...

thenexusofprivacy,

@hans glad it was useful -- Brook of Sunny Garden did a great job on it. And yeah, I often say "everything on the fediverse is more complicated than you'd think", and blocking is no exception!

fuzzyface,

@thenexusofprivacy @fediverse @fediversenews I'd like users on to see my posts, in the hope that people would leave Threads and come to . If they can't see us, they can't learn and decide to join us. (And hopefully leave Threads.) Well, OK they can just make the jump on their own, but that is less likely. But I don't want Threads identifying me and any advertising from anywhere getting near me, targeted or otherwise.

So it's tricky.

thenexusofprivacy,

@fuzzyface You're not the only person who feels that way ... as you say, it's tricky! That's why I had the option for people who aren't even considering blocking Threads.

fuzzyface,

@thenexusofprivacy We need a few educated and opinionated people to put forward the pros, cons and risks in a fully contextualised way on here. Really get the discussion going in a factually informed way.

But then I feel this way about pretty much everything.

thenexusofprivacy,

@fuzzyface here's my stab at putting forward the different perspectives of the / situation in general a contexualized way. I have an opinion of course but even people who disagree with me say it does a good job of representing the range of opinions. https://privacy.thenexus.today/should-the-fediverse-welcome-surveillance-capitalism/

fromjason,
@fromjason@mastodon.social avatar

@fuzzyface @thenexusofprivacy @fediverse @fediversenews I think that's a noble cause with an unlikely outcome, respectfully.

Interpolating with Threads could have the opposite effect.

https://fromjason.xyz/p/notebook/the-medium-is-the-message-threads-isn-t-a-win-for-the-fediverse/

thenexusofprivacy,

@fromjason Excellent post, and +1 for quoting Guy Debord!

vgarzareyna,
@vgarzareyna@mstdn.mx avatar

@thenexusofprivacy @fediverse @fediversenews the question seems loaded, but i agree that i dont want my posta to federare with them

thenexusofprivacy,

@vgarzareyna @fediverse It is kind of a loaded question, but I wanted to make sure people understood the consequences of having their posts federate to Threads before answering.

ParanoidFactoid,
@ParanoidFactoid@mastodon.social avatar

@thenexusofprivacy @fediverse @fediversenews I don't want anything to do with Threads. But you have to admit, that's a loaded question for a poll.🤣

thenexusofprivacy,

@ParanoidFactoid It is, but I wanted to make sure people understood the consequences of having their posts federate to Threads before answering.

@fediverse @fediversenews

lawyersgunsnmoney,
@lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social avatar

@thenexusofprivacy @fediverse @fediversenews This is an extremely helpful post - thank you!

thenexusofprivacy,

@lawyersgunsnmoney glad it's useful!

sabrinaweb71,
@sabrinaweb71@sociale.network avatar

@thenexusofprivacy @fediverse @fediversenews sorry @gubi but I'd like to be sure: have you turned on authorized fetch?

gubi,
@gubi@sociale.network avatar

@sabrinaweb71 @thenexusofprivacy @fediverse @fediversenews I didn't because is too resource consuming.

thenexusofprivacy,

@gubi Yeah, it's really a challenge. @futzle and @FediTips have said that the load's not too bad on their relatively-small servers but everybody's experience is different.

@sabrinaweb71 @fediverse @fediversenews

matz,
@matz@y.cubalibre.social avatar

@gubi @sabrinaweb71 ho trovato il capitolo apposito sulla pagiina di amministrazione di Pleroma, e ho attivato Auth.Fel. - ma Carlo, se posso, cosa intendi per 'resource consuming'?

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