yournamehere,

centrism right?

archiotterpup,

Folks, it HAS happened here. The Japanese Internment Camps were just a gas chamber away from Concentration Camps.

Heywood,

Hold up. The internment camps were a travesty and shocking by American standards - but can hardly be compared to the Nazi camps. The Japanese were paid for work, had schools, raised their own livestock and crops, some were even allowed to leave for college. They were closer to American prisons in terms of conditions.

It was un-Constitutional and “un-American” as hell, but they were hardly the American Auschwitz.

m3t00,
@m3t00@lemmy.world avatar

truth. 2016 election was a demonstration. remember chatting with pole workers about low turnout. party gerrymandering is done by state level reps elected in off-year elections

fne8w2ah,

The sheer brilliance of Sacha Baron Cohen cannot be underestimated.

cypherpunks,
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SpiderShoeCult,

Just to present more info on the source there, for anybody else glancing over this comment.

“MintPress News (MPN) is an American far-left[1] news website founded and edited by Mnar Adley (née Muhawesh) which was launched in January 2012[2] and also publishes the MintCast podcast. It covers political, economic, foreign affairs and environmental issues. Editorially, MintPress News supports Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, and the governments of Russia, Iran, and Syria.[3][4] It opposes the governments of Israel and Saudi Arabia,[5] and reports geopolitical events from an anti-Western perspective.[6] In one contentious article, MintPress News falsely asserted that the Ghouta chemical attack in Syria was perpetrated by rebel groups rather than by the Syrian government.[4]”

Source

crapwittyname,

It’s so tiring though. Giving a fuck about everything all the time, for years and years. I never understood how people could be apathetic in the face of such injustice. But now I’m living it and I’m starting to sympathise.

OrnateLuna,

It’s a lot about moderation and focusing on things that you could help with. If there is a protests or something like that happening near you then go ahead and participate but try not to consume a lot of hate that is happening outside of your bubble. Be aware sure but don’t let it consume you

Daevan,

It’s when you realize you really have no control. For me the only thing that caring about everything does Is making me sad and anxious so why I have to expose myself to everything? For the First Time in my Life this week I’ve blocked every local/world news instances and filtered the Word “musk”. I already feel the good vibes coming back

archiotterpup,

I heard somewhere it’s like have hundreds of tabs open in a browser. Sure, there are interesting links but it quickly becomes overwhelming. It’s okay to close only but a few tabs that are important to you and focus on those. It prevents that kind of burn out and apathy.

BeautifulMind,
@BeautifulMind@lemmy.world avatar

It could happen here

It is already happening here. The parallels between modern USA and 1920s Weimar Germany are stark. Some of the people doing it here are barely bothering to translate from the original German, FFS

DeanFogg,

Simple math

Duamerthrax,

Say what you mean.

thewut, (edited )

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  • JokeDeity,

    And America has no shortage of either.

    FlashMobOfOne, (edited )
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    Not just apathetic.

    Apathetic and functionally powerless.

    One note though, there are some great books about the many assassination attempts on Adolf Hitler, some of which were perpetrated by regular citizens. There are also great books about citizen resistance figures. Those stories aren’t talked about enough. There were regular people who DID try to stop the Nazis.

    abbotsbury,
    @abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

    Any recommendations?

    DJKJuicy,

    Not really though…if young voters turned out en masse, they could replace all politicians with people they actually wanted. But they won’t, because “I’m not into politics” or “My vote doesn’t count”.

    So it’s pretty much apathy…they have the power.

    Shinhoshi,
    @Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    My vote doesn’t count

    Maybe because it doesn’t? Can we at least have a candidate that pretends to do good things for once? Of course not, the DNC openly admitted to rigging primaries against even Sanders.

    dragonflyteaparty,

    As much as there are things that suck about not having a public institution hold our primaries, it doesn’t mean that your vote doesn’t matter and it certainly doesn’t only pertain to the presidency.

    DeanFogg,

    Think about how many dipshits are going to write in Trump even if he’s not viable. Then think about staying home and not voting

    That should really apply to all elections. Go vote people

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    If you’re a wage earner there is no functional difference between the Democratic and Republican Party.

    We’re going on 15 years of a seven-dollar federal minimum wage. Health care and education are unaffordable for most. Soon housing is going to be unaffordable for most.

    I know it’s popular to blame the voters, but I imagine the decision between missing a day’s pay and voting for someone you know isn’t going to lift a finger to help you is, unfortunately, a very easy one. (At least for the 40,000,000 that can’t afford a sudden $400 expense without going further into debt.)

    DJKJuicy,

    There are politicians, right now, today, that support raising the minimum wage and then tying it to the CPI, expanding Medicare for all, and making college taxpayer funded.

    But they don’t get enough votes, because…

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    …people vote Democrat and Republican.

    mushroom,

    This is absolute horse shit. There is a stark difference between the two parties. One has a president in the white house who is about to join the picket line for the UAW strike, who made sure the rail union got what they asked for, who tried to wipe out college debt for millions of Americans (that was fought and blocked by Republicans because…reasons? But let’s bail out the next corp or mega bank when they do some shady subprime shit).

    Functionally, republicans are doing everything they can to directly or indirectly fuck over wage earners and the Dems, while not perfect by any stretch, are at least attempting meaningful changes. Hell, a few republican states are peeling back child labor laws. They are also torpedoing the education system and running off good teachers.

    Name a Democrat run state that’s banned books, or passed ridiculous laws for teachers to follow.

    It’s not even close. And pretending it is causes apathy. Or gives apathy an excuse to grow.

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    What’s horse shit is how you’ve failed to notice that Democrats only deign to act progressive when they no longer have the power to do anything meaningful. When they had the majority all they gave us was excuses.

    What causes apathy is not having the money to go to a doctor or miss a day of work, which apparently you support.

    runner_g,

    Dems absolutely support progress when in power. A Democrat is the reason your insurance can’t deny you due to a pre-existing conditions. Also, the minimum wage by state tells a stark story. www.epi.org/minimum-wage-tracker/

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    The holes in your argument are:

    Access doesn’t matter unless you can withstand the price gouging, which didn’t have to happen because Obama had a supermajority.

    And the minimum wage, given that you can still be paid poverty wages legally in so many states, is an argument for voting Green, not Democrat.

    dragonflyteaparty,

    Yeah, tell that to all of the LGBTQ populace, those who want abortion rights, parents who don’t want books banned. No, they are not the same. Yes, democrats do help people. Yes, they do try.

    Killing_Spark,

    Damn my reflex was to say that that is bullshit but the USA actually has a pretty stable demographic curve. Many countries in Europe face the problem that the old voters easily outnumber the young.

    Karyoplasma,

    Funny that you say voters had the power when the votes for the NSDAP were on the decline until Hitler basically abolished free elections.

    NSDAP lost 4.2% of votes in the last free election on November 6th 1932.

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    Not really though…if young voters turned out en masse, they could replace all politicians with people they actually wanted. But they won’t, because “I’m not into politics” or “My vote doesn’t count”.

    Voters did turn out en masse.

    They were even promised $2000 checks if they turned out in Georgia. The Dems immediately changed the messaging and sent out $1400 instead when they won. (It went from $2000 checks to “finish the job”.) They wouldn’t even gives us back another $600 of our own money when they absolutely had the power to do it.

    They’ve found 100+ billion for another country’s war, though.

    That’s why people don’t vote. It’s not apathy. It’s the knowledge that missing a badly-needed day’s pay isn’t worth the time it takes to pull the lever.

    dragonflyteaparty,

    So you’re saying they had complete control to do anything they wanted? There was zero Republican involvement whatsoever?

    LwL,

    …aren’t mail-in ballots a thing in the US as well? That way you don’t have to miss anything even with the assbackwards system of election day not being on a day where almost no one has to work, and the other assbackwards system of no mandatory paid time off.

    FlashMobOfOne, (edited )
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    Depends on locality. If it were a federal thing If agree with you.

    Also voting is designed to be inaccessible and as inconvenient as possible, and that’s legal sadly.

    Cyberflunk,

    slate.com/…/baron-cohen-claims-to-have-a-profound…

    I always had faith in the audience that they would realize that this was a fictitious country and the mere purpose of it was to allow people to bring out their own prejudices … I think the joke is on people who can believe that the Kazakhstan that I describe can exist. Borat essentially works as a tool. By himself being anti-Semitic, he lets people lower their guard and expose their own prejudice, whether it’s anti-Semitism or an acceptance of anti-Semitism. I remember, when I was in university I studied history, and there was this one major historian of the Third Reich, Ian Kershaw. And his quote was, “The path to Auschwitz was paved with indifference.” I know it’s not very funny being a comedian talking about the Holocaust, but I think it’s an interesting idea that not everyone in Germany had to be a raving anti-Semite. They just had to be apathetic.

    Full quote

    PersnickityPenguin,

    What blew me away with his Borat character is how gullible the people he worked over were. Some were practically falling over themselves to befriend an anti Semite like him.

    Even after the dude was famous, politicians were still acting like he was a legitimate, nice antisemite trying to whore out his daughter.

    Wogi,

    When you tell people what they want to hear and are afraid to say, they’ll eat out of your hand, no matter how batshit insane what you have to say is.

    MrFlamey,

    Did you check out his show “Who is America”? It turns out that Borat was just the tip of the iceberg.

    pachrist,

    This was some of the most horrifying TV I have ever watched. Like I know they went to some lengths to find the crazies, but they didn’t have to did far to find a person with real, legitimate power to make decisions for this country who was willing to pull down his pants and scream n***** as loud has he could.

    It was too horrific to be funny, which was kind of the point.

    tdawg,

    I know people who have moved to Florida and away from Florida since DeSantos started getting popular. It’s shocking to see how true this is in real time. The people moving to Florida don’t really care or even think the issue is real. In fact most of them think it’s overblown or say something like “it’s not like that here in the city. We’re multicultural” like that somehow exonerates what’s happening

    DragonTypeWyvern,

    Orlando’s been spamming out ads begging gay people to come visit.

    Real “We promise we won’t let Ron genocide you :(” vibes

    Kahlenar,

    Those who do or do not study history are dinked to repeat it. That’s the issue. We study history, then send the military to Afghanistan. We aren’t learning anything from history that is actually useful.

    Kids crusaded against date memorization, and that worked. So now we know the minutemen at Lexington and Concord, the bill of rights, all these wars, we know they happened. Great Lincoln saved the union. But none of that matters. It has actually no effect on people meeting any kind of important decisions.

    What we need to learn is the effects history has had on people. Like, clearly America went to war in WW1 to stop the war, and in WW2 to do something, and America’s actions in WW2 are justified and all, but every single person who got shot in WW2 had a really bad time. Wars are to often taught from the end, America beat the Sioux, or the Mexicans, to form states out of their land and the we are looking at those states and they’re nice places now. But every war has it’s losers, they’re the ones who get shot. They’re the perspective we never get taught. Even a short war like the Bismarck German unification gets the facts taught but skips on the pain. But people get shot and it really really sucks.

    It should only be with a heavy heart that we go to war, because even a just war will be nothing but awful and everyone should know that.

    AngryCommieKender,

    Wilson fucked up everything. We unironically would have been much better off with Teddy at the helm

    OrteilGenou,

    What do you mean by unironically in this context?

    AngryCommieKender,

    That I am being completely serious.

    youtu.be/hLiI6kXZkZI?si=N0qThj26q4dyIwGO

    snek,
    @snek@lemmy.world avatar

    Feels like the far right populists read history and want to repeat it on purpose. Why? Because it worked. Now with the internet, it’s far more efficient than Hitler’s efficient Nazi Germany.

    tacosplease,

    Had Hitler won, we’d be teaching WWII history like “good thing we got all those Jews under control right before they were going to destroy us”.

    Estiar,

    I disagree. For ideologies like that, there always would have to be an enemy. I think they would teach that the Jews went into hiding and are still exercising their “international jewery”. After all, there’s no plot to begin with, so the same rhetoric could be useful before and after mass genocide. It’s not a pretty alternative history, and I think it would affect other minorities too

    Shinhoshi,
    @Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Absolutely not, the last stage of genocide is denial.

    Is the US population outright saying those things, or are they downplaying the idea they ever committed genocides against most of its indigenous tribes?

    pineapplelover, (edited )

    First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    —Martin Niemöller

    Edit: communist, not socialist

    ComradeChairmanKGB,
    @ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Using the revisionist version ☠️

    stansburyforum.com/…/rewriting-what-was-distortin…

    Yet at the Holocaust museum and elsewhere, the word “Communist” has been dropped, replaced with “socialists,” as though Niemoller had written so, though he did not (for in 1945, even anti-communists recognized that communists were targets of fascism).

    wishthane,

    Do you not consider socialism a path to communism, as a stateless, classless society?

    I don’t at all see how changing it to “socialist” would be any kind of erasure of communists, one leads to another. You’d have to think that “communism” is something else entirely.

    Shinhoshi,
    @Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    AsideI thought the original had both, starting with communists but had socialists later on. Your version mentions “social democrats” instead, which is interesting. Given your site says there was modifications, I wonder if “socialists” does authentically appear in one…

    Definitely agree though, that lack of “communists” there immediately stood out to me too.

    Kusimulkku,

    Interesting read. I wouldn’t think it changes the meaning, socialists being a wider grouping, but I can understand how especially communists would be ticked off with that change.

    May 19: SPD votes in Parliament to support Hitler’s foreign policy

    June 19: SPD elects new Executive Committee, removing Jews from national leadership.

    That seems a tad unfair to SPD, at least based on what Wikipedia says

    After the passing of the Enabling Act, dozens of SPD deputies were arrested, and several more fled into exile. Most of the leadership settled in Prague. Those that remained tried their best to appease the Nazi Party. On 19 May, the few SPD deputies who had not been jailed or fled into exile voted in favour of Hitler’s foreign policy statement, in which he declared his willingness to renounce all offensive weapons if other countries followed suit. They also publicly distanced themselves from their brethren abroad who condemned Hitler’s tactics.

    abbotsbury,
    @abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

    I wouldn’t think it changes the meaning, socialists being a wider grouping

    isn’t that the point? Communists are a smaller group and thus easier to otherize, so first they came for them, and then socialists.

    Kusimulkku,

    I think the point was that “first they came for these leftists I didn’t care about”. But I guess communists is more poignant. From what I saw, he seems to have used different groups depending on who and when he was talking.

    can,

    What microblogging service is this?

    Cavemanfreak,

    And how is this a “meme”? It’s just a (good) quote on a picture.

    tdawg,

    It’s not. It’s just Lemmy being Lemmy

    can,

    Oh I know lol

    I wonder if OP is a bot

    horsey,

    Here, it seems a conscious tactic of the bourgeoisie and political class is to make life so difficult that we don’t have time to worry about anyone else. Keep the population financially screwed while also arguing about identity politics, and people barely have time to confront serious economic and political issues or even be aware of them. Huge amounts of people live 1-2 paychecks from being homeless, any medical emergency is potentially a devastating financial emergency, and so on.

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