tccpdi,

No generative AI is to be trusted as long as it’s controlled by organisations which main objective is profit. Can’t recommend enough Noam Chomsky take on this: chomsky.info/20230503-2/

blazeknave,

With all products and services with any capacity to influence consumers, it should be presumed that any influence is in the best interest of the shareholders. It’s literally illegal (fiduciary responsibility) otherwise. This is why elections and regulation are so important.

nibble4bits,

Someone should realize that LLM’s aren’t always trained up to date on the latest and greatest of news. Ukraine’s conflict is two years running, and Gaza happened ~4½ months ago. It also really didn’t outright refuse, it just told the user to use search.

nexussapphire,

They probably would have blacklisted the topic if they remembered. At least in America a portion of the population has forgotten about the conflict in the Ukraine because of Gaza and Gemini literally just got released to the general public.

unreasonabro, (edited )

Guy you can’t compare different fucking prompts, what are you even doing with your life

like asking it to explain an apple and then an orange and complaining the answers are different

it’s not a fucking person m8 ITS A COMPUTER

and yes, queries on certain subjects generate canned, pre-written-by-humans responses which you can work around simply by rephrasing the question, because, again, it’s a computer. The number of people getting mad at a computer because of their own words is fuckin painful to see.

billiam0202,

what are you even doing with your life

Based on what he’s said here and over on politics, I’d say he’s trying to create division using whatever wedge issue he thinks will get the most outrage.

pound_heap,

This could be caused by the training dataset cutoff date. These models are not being trained on real time, so they don’t have information about recent events. War in Ukraine is lasting longer than 2 years already, and the current Gazan conflict is relatively recent. My quick search didn’t find what Gemini dataset cutoff date is.

DuncanTDP,
@DuncanTDP@sh.itjust.works avatar

You didn’t ask the same question both times. In order to be definitive and conclusive you would have needed ask both the questions with the exact same wording. In the first prompt you ask about a number of deaths after a specific date in a country. Gaza is a place, not the name of a conflict. In the second prompt you simply asked if there had been any deaths in the start of the conflict; Giving the name of the conflict this time. I am not defending the AI’s response here I am just pointing out what I see as some important context.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Gaza is a place, not the name of a conflict

That’s not an accident. The major media organs have decided that the war on the Palestinians is “Israel - Hamas War”, while the war on Ukrainians is the “Russia - Ukraine War”. Why would you buy into the Israeli narrative in the first convention and not call the second the “Russia - Azov Battalion War” in the second?

I am not defending the AI’s response here

It is very reasonable to conclude that the AI is not to blame here. Its working from a heavily biased set of western news media as a data set, so of course its going to produce a bunch of IDF-approved responses.

Garbage in. Garbage out.

bier,

The 2 things are not the same

Russia a country invaded Ukraine a country.

Israel a country was attacked by Hamas a terrorist group and in response invaded Palestine a country.

unreasonabro,

Way to put the cart before the horse! The origin of the current war in the mideast is the creation of Israel after the second world war. You can’t deny the role of the original land theft in discussing the situation, though i’m sure you weren’t trying to.

Imagine the King of England (now that we have one of those again) declaring Texas to be entirely the territory of Native Americans. What would white people do? And yet we act like the palestinians are unreasonable. Like, get fucked. It has nothing to do with racism of any sort and everything to do with all humans being pretty much worthless cunts. (Present company excepted of course. ;) )

bier,

That’s a valid point, but it’s not like the Jews never lived there, go far back enough and it’s a very different situation. That is what makes this entire conflict so difficult.

That is why I think it’s good to just look at current events.

declination,
@declination@programming.dev avatar

Because Ukraine has a single unified government excepting the occupied Donbas?

Calling it the Israel-Palestine war would be misleading because Israel hasn’t invaded the West Bank which has a separate/unrelated Palestine government.

To analogize oppositely, it would be real weird if China invaded Taiwan and people started calling it the Chinese civil war.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Ukraine has a single unified government

Ukraine had been in a state of civil war since 2014. That’s half the reason for the conflict. Donetsk separatists were governing the region adverse to the Ukrainian Feds for nearly a decade.

Calling it the Israel-Palestine war would be misleading because Israel hasn’t invaded the West Bank

Since Oct 7th, there have been repeated artillery bombardments of the West Bank by the IDF.

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68006126

nbcnews.com/…/israels-secret-air-war-gaza-west-ba…

aljazeera.com/…/israeli-forces-launch-deadly-west…

To analogize oppositely, it would be real weird if China invaded Taiwan and people started calling it the Chinese civil war.

Given their history, it would be more accurate to call it The Second Chinese Civil War.

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

I wonder if it would tell you Ukraine is rich in African heritage

Clubbing4198,

Because google is supplying military grade tech services to Israel.

NutWrench,
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

This is why Wikipedia needs our support.

TWeaK,

Wikipedia has more than enough money. It still needs support and protecting, but the servers have sufficient funding for the foreseeable future.

Let’s just hope they don’t do a reddit and waste that excess of funding on exorbitant pay for executives, who then undermine the core principles that created that income. Jimmy Wales isn’t likely to do that, he already made enough money in softcore porn during the early days of the internet (which he then used to start Wikipedia).

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Bad news, Wikipedia is no better when it comes to economic or political articles.

The fact that ADL is on Wikipedia’s “credible sources” page is all the proof you need.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

See Who’s Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign

Incidentally, the “WikiScanner” software that Virgil Griffin (a close friend of Aaron Swartz, incidentally) developed to chase down bulk Wiki edits has been decommissioned and the site shut down. Virgil is currently serving out a 63 month sentence for the crime of traveling to North Korea to attend a tech summit.

Read into that what you will.

Linkerbaan, (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Anther massive piece of evidence is the fact that Wikipedia is lying about about the 6 day war

Six Day War Wikipedia:

On 5 June 1967, as the UNEF was in the process of leaving the zone, Israel launched a series of preemptive airstrikes against Egyptian airfields and other facilities,

The word pre-emptive is snuck in there as factual while in reality being either a complete lie, or highly controversial as all major US intelligence sources confirmed that Egypt had no interest in war before israel attacked.

Neither U.S. nor Israeli intelligence assessed that there was any kind of serious threat of an Egyptian attack. On the contrary, both considered the possibility that Nasser might strike first as being extremely slim.

The current Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., Michael B. Oren, acknowledged in his book “Six Days of War“, widely regarded as the definitive account of the war, that “By all reports Israel received from the Americans, and according to its own intelligence, Nasser had no interest in bloodshed”.

This was not a defensive war, it was an attack by israel. Yet Wikipedia frames it as brave Zionists “defending themselves” into Egypt.

zerog_bandit,

Doesn’t work when you ask about Israeli deaths on 10/7 either.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The 1400? The 1200? The 1137?

Of course that question doesn’t work.

zerog_bandit,

The 10,000? The 20,000? The 30,000? The hospital missile strike? Goes both ways.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

There’s no controversy over Hamas’ death count and they don’t keep changing it up like israel does.

A bigger controversy would be the claimed 30.000 Ukrainian death count while America claims it’s 70.000.

31,000 Ukrainian Soldiers Killed in Two Years of War, Zelensky Says

The tally that President Volodymyr Zelensky revealed on Sunday differs sharply from that given by U.S. officials, who have said the number is closer to 70,000.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

40 decapitated babies. The President even said he saw the bodies.

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t love it, but they’re probably trying to stay away from extra controversy that will get them canceled by the government.

xor, (edited )

Does it behave the same if you refer to it as “the war in Gaza”/“Israel-Palestine conflict” or similar?

I wouldn’t be surprised if it trips up on making the inference from Oct 7th to the (implicit) war.

Edit: I tested it out, and it’s not that - formatting the question the same for Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine respectively does still yield those results. Horrifying.

uis,

I like this “if you’d like up-to-date information” wiggling with General Party Line

gapbetweenus,

Corporate AI will obviously do all the corporate bullshit corporations do. Why are people surprised?

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

I’d expect it to stay away from any conflict in this case, not pick and choose the ones they like.

It’s the same reason many people are pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of people and news outlets that stood with Ukraine being oppressed but find the Palestinians being oppressed very “complicated”.

gapbetweenus,

I’d expect it to stay away from any conflict in this case, not pick and choose the ones they like.

But they don’t do it in other cases, so it would be naive to expect them to do it here.

It’s the same reason many people are pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of people and news outlets that stood with Ukraine being oppressed but find the Palestinians being oppressed very “complicated”.

Dude, Palestinian Israeli conflict is just extremely more complicated than Ukraine Russian conflict.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Dude, Palestinian Israeli conflict is just extremely more complicated than Ukraine Russian conflict.

If you believe that you’ve either not heard enough Russian propaganda or too much israeli propaganda.

And it’s the second.

gapbetweenus,

Sure everyone with a different opinion is victim of propaganda. Easy way out.

There are of course similarities, like both conflicts are fueled by nationalistic ideology but alone Russian goals are quite different, one is more of a conventional war - the other is asymmetric, Palestinians had a very limited control over their territories to begin with and there is a long complex history of aggression from both sides. Most importantly there is a functioning solution for Ukrainian conflict that can be achieved with military, not so sure there is such a solution for Israel/Palestine conflict - people were searching for one, for quite some time.

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar
RIPandTERROR,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

Holy shit that second one is fire.

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Also it is insane and complete nonsense, as is “AI” tradition.

Fedizen,

First Pic: Love the ghost hand on the underwear guy’s weapon

Second Pic: That girl is wielding a pitchfork and a dildo

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