dandan,
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You missed an important part of the headline "is feared to have..."

It says she caught a "cholera like" infection

ValiantDust,

Yeah. It’s The Sun and they put ‘dies of starvation’ in quotes. They are presenting rumors as facts (again).

Nepenthe,
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Ah, thank you. Was very confused and I am relieved to find that eating food of any kind still does not cause the body to starve. Although honestly, in this damn timeline, i would just shrug at this point

Bonehead,

I am relieved to find that eating food of any kind still does not cause the body to starve.

Except it does when you eat nothing but carbs and fiber with little to no fat and protein. You can be vegan all you want, but ignoring basic nutrition will always result in disaster.

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  • Bonehead,

    You can't get all the nutrients needed from just fruit. This is fact. Just because some fruits may have some fats and proteins doesn't mean they have enough to meet nutritional needs.

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  • Aatube,
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    A major part of their “nutrients” point is fats and proteins, read the last reply again.

    Just because some fruits may have some fats and proteins doesn’t mean they have enough to meet nutritional needs.

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  • Bonehead,

    Except it does when you eat nothing but carbs and fiber with little to no fat and protein.

    Just because some fruits may have some fats and proteins doesn't mean they have enough to meet nutritional needs.

    Nothing I said changed...

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  • Bonehead,

    If I'm wrong, then please show examples of fruits that contain all the necessary nutrients needed by the human body, including the needed levels of fats and amino acid complete proteins.

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  • Bonehead,

    You can be vegan all you want, but ignoring basic nutrition will always result in disaster.

    It was literally the second sentence...

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  • Bonehead,

    Ok, you don't even know what you're arguing about now.

    there are many fruits with fat and protein.

    Just name one that can provide enough to supply the human body with the necessary amounts. Just one. You made the claim, now back it up...

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  • Bonehead,

    In other words, you have nothing.

    Have a nice day.

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  • Bonehead,

    Nice try deflecting being called out yourself...

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  • Bonehead,

    You started this by saying there are many fruits with fat and protein. You refuse to name a single one.

    I'm still saying that fruits are not a source of fats and proteins, and that ignoring basic nutrition will lead to disaster. I've been saying the same thing the entire time. You need fats and proteins as well as carbs for a balanced nutritional diet. Fats and proteins are literally macronutrients, by medical definition.

    If you can't support your claim, just let it go. Continuing to argue only makes you look desperate for attention.

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  • Bonehead,

    How long have you been on the internet?

    Likely longer than you've been alive...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism

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  • Bonehead,

    Not as embarrassing as not understanding the difference between Google and Wikipedia...

    Seriously, for your own good, just stop.

    dandan,
    dandan avatar

    In the article it says she eats sunflower seed sprouts. A cursory google search says these are a complete protein containing all the essential amino acids.

    RickRussell_CA,
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    It might be possible to live off fruit, but in the end, "food restriction resulting in significantly low body weight" is the definition of anorexia.

    I don't claim to know if she put her health in a compromised state or not, but look at recent pictures.

    monobot,

    And

    Zhanna’s official cause of death has not been released yet, however.

    Additionally she does look anorexic on some pictures, both things have nothing to do with being vegan, people are just pushing their hate by usings someone misfortune.

    xc2215x,

    That could be deliberate to push a narrative against vegans.

    dandan,
    dandan avatar

    Yeah, 100%. Look at the other replies to my comment and you can see people getting sucked into that narrative...

    Ackshully.... vegans don't get all the essential nutrients to survive 🤡

    If any of those boneheads actually read the article, it says she was eating sunflower seed sprouts which are a complete protein.

    WoahWoah,

    I think you’re right, there’s some of that, but there’s also a healthy dose of “shit on the obnoxious influencer” narrative going on here too.

    plantstho,

    This has absolutely nothing to do with veganism.

    Mindlight,

    Care to elaborate?

    WoahWoah,

    Veganism isn’t necessarily an unhealthy diet. Like any diet, it CAN be (though I would argue that on average it is easier to eat healthfully on a vegan diet).

    Regardless, this woman clearly had an eating disorder. What sort of diet she consumed matters far, far less than the disorder eating itself.

    Mindlight,

    Still doesn’t change the fact that she was a vegan.

    (And just to be annoying: I would say that’s it easier to be unhealthy as an omnivore… More options to clog your arteries 😁)

    WoahWoah,

    That is what I said. It’s easier to eat healthfully if you’re vegan, I assume. But, you could be a vegan and eating peanut oil fries heavy on the salt all day every day too. That just seems unlikely lol

    nogooduser,

    It’s someone not eating properly. The fact that they didn’t eat animal products is irrelevant. People get Ill and die while eating a shit non vegan diet too.

    Mindlight,

    How much fruit do you have to eat to get a proper amount of proteins per day?

    Jimmycakes,

    Vegans just need to eat a shit load of beans and peas

    Mindlight,

    Let’s say that the recommended daily intake of proteins for average Joe is about 56g and that kidney beans holds 8.6g protein per 100g…

    660g of beans per day is a lot of beans. A LOT.

    If Joe ever gets tired of beans he can always with over to 500g wholegrain buckwheat per day.

    Regarding if the woman was a vegan or not…

    WikipediaVeganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal product — particular in diet — and an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals. An individual that follows the diet or philosophy is known as a vegan.

    She didn’t eat any animal product so that pretty much confirms that she was a vegan.

    However, she being a vegan doesn’t mean that she was a healthy vegan or smart vegan.

    GreenCrush,
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    Correct. This is just clickbait. Veganism is a healthy diet choice. This person suffered from anorexia, but people love to dogpile on vegans.

    ChronosWing,

    That’s because the majority of vegans act like self righteous assholes towards non vegans. I have no problem with your diet choice but don’t try shaming me for mine, it makes you look like a dick and does not help your cause at all.

    GreenCrush,
    @GreenCrush@lemmy.world avatar

    The majority of carnivores act like self righteous assholes towards non carnivores. I have no problem with your diet choice but don’t try shaming me for mine, it makes you look like a dick and does not help your cause at all.

    WoahWoah,

    Being an omnivore isn’t a “cause” in the same way veganism is, and you know it. Most people are omniverous–there is no “cause” to be had. Vegans make up less than 4% of people. On average, a little less than people who follow a “keto” diet.

    I know very few, if any, carnivores though, so maybe you’re referring to a specific group of people with which I am unfamiliar. Or maybe you were just using self-righteous hyperbole for rhetorical effect in the name of your “cause.” Wouldn’t that be ironic?

    GreenCrush,
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    Lol where do you get your data from? There are way more vegans than that. Enjoy the carcinogens bud!

    WoahWoah, (edited )

    You’re right, you’re not self-righteous at all!

    I got it from polling cited on animalfoundation.org, which puts the number of vegans at around 1.1%. I rounded up because I was trying to be generous. Other polls put the number under .5% in the United States, but I was trying to give you some supportive numbers–otherwise it would actually be more like “there are 8x more people doing Keto than practicing veganism in the United States,” and I didn’t want to demoralize you and your “not a cause” cause.

    We’re all enjoying plenty of carcinogens, yourself included, I assure you.

    GreenCrush,
    @GreenCrush@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s so funny that you put so much effort into making yourself feel good about eating the flesh of dead animals. Fuck you.

    WoahWoah, (edited )

    I’m not putting any effort into that at all. Again. Being an omnivore is not a “cause” and doesn’t require any effort to feel fine about it given it’s the default dietary choice of the vast majority of all humans on the planet.

    I am however putting (minimal) effort into making fun of you for literally doing what the original commenter–who wasn’t me, incidentally–said vegans do.

    And now you appear to have reached the inevitable, defensive conclusion: “OMG Y U TRY HARD FUK U.” So edgy.

    U mad? Y U mad bro? Lolol

    CeruleanRuin,
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    Person on idiotic diet starves to death. Not really news.

    rafoix,

    This is literal fake news.

    Mindlight,

    Care to elaborate?

    reclipse,
    @reclipse@lemdro.id avatar

    Well it’s the SUN!

    Shilkanni,

    Anyone who dies of starvation was vegan at the end.

    matjoeman,

    Can we ban The Sun, please?

    WoahWoah,

    It’s such a different request if you say “Can we ban the sun, please?” Props for the caps. 😄

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    Only durian? What a fucking monster.

    BruceTwarzen,

    A VEGAN influencer. Thanks for making that really clear.

    aroom,
    aroom avatar

    this has nothing to do with being vegan. please stop.

    mobyduck648,
    @mobyduck648@beehaw.org avatar

    It’s the Sun, what do people expect other than incendiary content that’s usually wrong? We should all take a leaf out of Liverpool’s book and have nothing to do with it.

    For people who aren’t from the UK we’re kind of the other way around to America, our TV and radio news is generally pretty well-adjusted on the whole but our tabloid press is straight up infotainment and this has carried over into the internet era.

    Gh05t,

    If she starved or died due to complications from her diet, if she wasn’t able to stave off an infection for example or recover properly from an illness that would not affect an otherwise healthy individual - I would say her diet or nutrition lifestyle is germane to the situation.

    I believe that being vegan is a perfectly valid lifestyle and dietary choice but also people should be aware of some of the pitfalls.

    Can you please elaborate why you feel that being vegan has nothing to do with it?

    Redscare867,

    Because the overwhelming majority of vegans aren’t eating nothing but fruit? Come on dude you can’t actually be this dense.

    Gh05t,

    Look I’m sorry. I thought I had phrased my comment in a nonthreatening and inclusive way. But I guess you are right and I’m a complete useless human moron.

    I’ll not comment anymore then.

    Please see also my response to the other non toxic vegan person for clarification.

    It just occurred to me that this Vegan influencer was promoting a lifestyle that may be dangerous and we should discuss it but I’m a moron so I’ll go away.

    This is a case like not all gun owners suck only some gun owners suck.

    The article was unfair. That’s a good discussion topic. Vegans aren’t all fruit people. That’s also valid. The importance of diet and the impact on our earth - also valid and crucial. How I should behave as to not come across as a dense moron - I’m not sure interesting to anyone else but I’m willing to have a go if you both are.

    AngelJamie,

    Hey, vegan here. It’s okay if you want to hate veganism and/or vegans themselves. Quite frankly, I don’t care, but please refrain from omitting important details in the article to make plant-based diets as a whole look bad. It makes you look like a close-minded moron who will grasp at any straws to justify your position.

    Any diet handled poorly will be nutritionally detrimental, no shit, and she just happened to handle her plant-based diet by consuming essentially nothing but raw fruit. For you to fail to acknowledge this actually makes me think you’re just, in bad faith, looking for any leverage you can get to shit on veganism when you don’t have to. I can assure you that, as a vegan, I find her dietary choices insane.

    Let me leave you with this: think for a moment. Be a little more critical about how you approach a matter like this. I’m not saying this for my sake; I’m saying it for yours, so you don’t embarrass yourself online by coming off as a dense motherfucker with a straightforward, black-and-white, narrow , linear thought process.

    Thanks.

    Gh05t,

    Wow. Are you going to be ok? I’m not sure if you’re reading into my comment with some baggage.

    You’re absolutely right about fruit based - I casually wrapped vegan and fruit based together without realizing that she was practicing an extreme diet and it wasn’t indicative of a vegan diet.

    I suppose I’m not aware of how much grief you get from society or people to defend your choices.

    I’ll try not to comment on vegan topics anymore and I’m not sure what I said specifically to deserve such venom but I’ll do my best to not come across as a moron I guess.

    I didn’t obfuscate facts from the article. I wasn’t attempting to summarize the article. I was asking how her diet doesn’t account for issues stemming from her diet. But I see now what you mean that her being vegan and eating only fruit are two different things. I guess reading it casually I wasn’t sensitive to what must be your plight.

    Hope you feel better.

    AngelJamie,

    I’m going to be just fine. Dude, I’m just interpreting this very face value. The article outright references eating “an all fruit diet”. The fact that you went out of your way to seemingly make this about veganism being the inherent concern just reeked of bad faith. CTFO.

    Gh05t,

    Yes. I need to chill. Me. How much more face value can you get from the lede in the article? Maybe the title of the article I suppose. However as addressed by other comments the article in whole was probably in bad faith.

    You don’t need to defend your life. I hope you don’t approach every exchange as an opportunity to fight. There must be a better way to communicate without being combative with each other. Surely not every interaction needs to be conflict? I wasn’t attacking you or veganism. I don’t know you and please don’t think you know me. I didn’t think my comment was antagonizing. If I was that’s entirely on me.

    My wife and I were considering how to alter our diet. Our friend is a vegan and we were talking about it with him. I’ll stick to that. I’ll try to not be a dense mother fucker and I hope you are open to people surprising you with happiness and joy. Or not. Doesn’t matter to me.

    AngelJamie,

    Yes. I need to chill. Me. How much more face value can you get from the lede in the article? Maybe the title of the article I suppose. However as addressed by other comments the article in whole was probably in bad faith.

    You don’t need to defend your life. I hope you don’t approach every exchange as an opportunity to fight. There must be a better way to communicate without being combative with each other. Surely not every interaction needs to be conflict? I wasn’t attacking you or veganism. I don’t know you and please don’t think you know me. I didn’t think my comment was antagonizing. If I was that’s entirely on me.

    My wife and I were considering how to alter our diet. Our friend is a vegan and we were talking about it with him. I’ll stick to that. I’ll try to not be a dense mother fucker and I hope you are open to people surprising you with happiness and joy. Or not. Doesn’t matter to me.

    It’s not that deep.

    Gh05t,

    I think it is. I think this applies to your life more than you’d like to probably admit. I hope that you find joy and bliss and realize that the people in your life care about you and you don’t need to defend who you are to anyone.

    I don’t know you and wasn’t looking to fight with you and after you called me a dense motherfucker for being - in your eyes - willfully repugnant I still care enough about you to see someone hurting. So if a stranger on the internet can reach out to you and hopes with all his being that you find solace then maybe the world doesn’t suck. So… yeah it is that deep. At least for me.

    AngelJamie,

    I think it is. I think this applies to your life more than you’d like to probably admit. I hope that you find joy and bliss and realize that the people in your life care about you and you don’t need to defend who you are to anyone.

    I don’t know you and wasn’t looking to fight with you and after you called me a dense motherfucker for being - in your eyes - willfully repugnant I still care enough about you to see someone hurting. So if a stranger on the internet can reach out to you and hopes with all his being that you find solace then maybe the world doesn’t suck. So… yeah it is that deep. At least for me.

    It’s not that deep.

    Murvel, (edited )

    She was a vegan promoting vegan diet online. How does that ‘have nothing to do with being a vegan’? what?!

    monobot,

    Because not all vegans eat the same restricted diet she was on. And not all vegans are anotexic, vegans do eat enough.

    Murvel,

    But I guess this vegan did starve herself. I don’t even think the sun suggested all vegans diets are deadly.

    monobot,

    If they put it like that in the title, I see it like they are strongly implying it. Of course, I might be misreading it.

    Also calling someone who eats only five different plants vegan does not sound really truthful to me either.

    WoahWoah,

    You’re expecting way, way, WAY too much from The Sun.

    DarkThoughts,

    Her mother Vera Samsonova said she had caught a "cholera-like infection" just hours before she was due to fly home.

    Zhanna's official cause of death has not been released yet, however.

    The SUN: "SHE DIED OF VEGANISM!"
    Lemming: "How does this story have nothing to do with her being vegan?!?!"

    I see we're already at Reddit type levels of idiocy.

    Murvel,

    So the story has nothing to do with veganism, is that the point your trying to make? Really unclear

    Pandantic,
    Pandantic avatar

    Let’s be honest, tho: you don’t know either as her cause of death has not been released. I agree, the other user jumped to conclusions, but you can’t say anything definitive as of now either.

    DarkThoughts,

    I never claimed to know her cause of death. But between "cholera" and "veganism" I'd rather bet on the former.

    IncognitoErgoSum,

    Any vegan with half a brain knows that you need more than just fruit to be healthy. Assuming her death by infection is a result of her diet (which is possible, but we don't know that), she died of being an idiot, not a vegan.

    Mindlight,

    The definition of vegan is not eating any animal product.

    Her being stupid doesn’t change the fact that she was vegan.

    WoahWoah,

    Well said. She was a raw food vegan on top of everything else. But the real problem is that she seemed to have an eating disorder. I imagine social media didn’t help with that issue.

    nxfsi,

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