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ArugulaZ, in Neo-Nazis walk free from court, spared further jail time over attack on Victorian hikers
ArugulaZ avatar

Evidently, there's a Neo-Nazi holding the gavel in this case, too...

kerrigan778, in Nomophobia is the fear of being without your phone. And many of us have it - ABC Everyday

My phone can simultaneously act as my backup keys, my backup wallet, my only bus passnand my main means to get help. If my phone dies or I forget it there’s a good chance I’m walking home.

downpunxx, in Federal government moves to ban Nazi salute after spike in anti-Semitism, racism
downpunxx avatar

The world according to Lemmy/KBIN :

Nazis and Holocaust deniers, bad

Jew slaughtering Muslim terrorists, and Genocidal Islamic terrorist denial, good

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

The world according to Downpunx

Genocide against Jews, bad.

Genocide against Palestinians, good.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

I seriously think he was sarcastic, but you are damn serious. I don’t think anyone suggest here in the federation that genocide is good. But there is opinion that even for the sake of Palestinians, or especially for the sake of Palestinians,Hamas should be gone, otherwise peace is not possible. Hamas is not somebody anyone should support if they care about future prospects for Palestinian people.

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

Mate, we’re talking about Downpunx here.

He is 100% serious and he has come out saying he doesn’t give a shit about Palestinians and that they’re animals in the past among other fucked up things.

Look in any thread mentioning Israel or Palestine and you’ll find him there 7/10 times.

Hyperreality,

For a while, I thought he might be a pro-Palestinian troll, but you're almost certainly right that downpunx is 100% serious.

They're clearly not well. People should downvote and move on, rather than feed the troll. Even negative attention is still attention.

DroneRights,

Downpunxx is fucking awful, but he’s genuine in his opinions. What is with this obsession over calling people trolls? You say he isn’t a troll, then say not to feed the trolls. Why call someone you know isn’t a troll a troll? Why does everyone want to use the word troll so much?

livus,
livus avatar

@DroneRights I think it's because we lack terminology. In the old days he probably would have been called a griefer.

He posts the same copypasta dozens of times around the fediverse, often with name-calling addressed to anyone who reads it. It's not a genuine engagement, it's designed to annoy.

He may be motivated to act like a griefer because of underlying feelings that make him want to lash out, but that doesn't change the nature of it.

DroneRights,

Whatever happened to just calling someone a shithead? That’s what I use and it’s plenty good enough.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

His post is still sarcastic, even if he believes it is true.

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

Ah you’re just a pro-Israeli chud. Don’t know why I acted in good faith with you.

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

We can probably get behind the idea that Hamas shouldn’t exist.

But the act of trying to root out Hamas cannot involve the mass slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians. No, not even if Hamas is “using human shields”. And not even if those innocent civilians did support Hamas. Is it any surprise that someone might voice support for the one organisation that’s actually doing something to try to fight against the people that have been enacting a genocide against them for decades?

Since October 7th, Israel has killed ten times as many people as Hamas has. This is including human rights workers, journalists, and healthcare professionals. And that’s without even going in to the apartheid conditions Palestinians have been forced to put up with for decades before then, and all the people Israel has killed before then.

This is not a matter of some surgical strike against terrorists. It’s genocide. Genocide being committed by a nation which identifies itself strongly with the one group that you would think, given their history, should be most strongly attuned to how terrible it is to commit genocide. However, it’s important not to conflate the two. While Israel likes to think of itself as representative of all Judaism, it is not. Many Jews rightly speak out against the genocide, and criticism of Israel is not antisemitism.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

All I can say - suggest the alternative. How one can remove Hamas without such war?

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

suggest the alternative

No. That’s not up to me. I’m not a military strategist. Nor do I have any expertise in anything remotely close to this. One does not need to be a chef to be a food critic.

All I know is, if you can’t conduct your war without doing war crimes and crimes against humanity, stop doing your war. It makes you worse than the people you’re claiming to be against.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

Well, it is easy to say - the fighting must stop, but consequences of this decision is easily seen - Hamas will stay in power, blockade of Gaza Strip will continue, there will be more attacks by Hamas in future, Israel will retaliate and Palestinians will continue to live in open prison with periodic bombing. It is intellectual dishonesty to call for war end and say “it is somebody else problem” to avoid what I have described above. If you do not have alternative solution then calling for war to stop does mean you calling for open prison and mass casualties in foreseeable future with no end in sight.

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

I don’t need to come up with a solution, because it doesn’t matter what the response actually is, only that committing war crimes cannot be an acceptable answer.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

If there are war crimes during this war, for sure they should be stopped. But you are advocating stopping the whole war with Hamas. For which you have to suggest alternative, or admit that you are OK with Palestinians to suffer further in open sky prison with periodic bombing as Israel will react on future Hamas attacks. There is no third option.

Nonameuser678,
@Nonameuser678@aussie.zone avatar

Mass punishment of civilians is 100% a war crime.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

So is using human shield. But only one of these allegations is true. Do you really think if the goal of IDF was to mass-kill civilians, then they would be that ineffective?

And, by the way, you still avoiding acknowledging that you are OK with Palestinians living in open prison with periodic bombing for foreseeable future.

Taleya,

I saw very similar questions being asked back in the day about the IRA.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

What are you implying? IRA was hunted by authorities.

Taleya,

And a situation deemed unsolvable and irrevocable, too far gone…ended not in genocide, but the good friday accords.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

You are implying that there is some kind of analogy here. But the only similarity I see here that both IRA and Hamas are terrorist organizations. But their goals and operation style and size are very different. I have no hope whatsoever that Hamas would reject their main purpose - to destroy Israel.

DroneRights,

If you want to get rid of Hamas, give Palestinians equal rights. Take away their cause. Make it convenient to give up the fight and choose peace.

If you want to give Hamas more young men to fight for them, then steal their houses and blow up their mothers, sisters, and daughters.

The current government of Israel? It’s on Hamas’ side. It’s creating new recruits for them every day. It’s giving them great material to turn into propaganda. It’s escalating the violence.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

Yes, that’s the end goal. Or two stat solution.

BruceTwarzen,

What a dense motherfucker you are.

UnfortunateDoorHinge, in Young people dominate pro-Palestine protest attendance

I find it amusing how the ABC commentators dance around the topic with politicians taking the centrist position: “ok but maybe a little genocide?” 🤔👐

sqgl, (edited )

politicians taking the centrist position

Labor refused to sign the demand for a ceasefire (resulting in a Greens walkout) because the declaration made absolutely no mention of the October 7 massacre by Hamas.

“ok but maybe a little genocide?”

Maybe the Greens thought Oct 7 was too little genocide to mention?

ABC commentators dance around the topic

ABC Radio news (but not Website news) reported the Al-Ahli hospital attack as being a direct hit by IDF bombs killing 500 people even after evidence that Hamas were bullshitting was available to all of us who cared to look.

Marin_Rider, in Neo-Nazis walk free from court, spared further jail time over attack on Victorian hikers

County Court Judge Kellie Blair wished the pair luck and said she believed the prospects of both men being rehabilitated were good. Sewell and Hersant maintained their innocence after the hearing and made anti-Semitic and homophobic comments to gathered media

What on earth is this judge on? You can’t have prospects of rehabilitation while your actively acting like a neonazi literally outside the courthouse… what the hell

Nonameuser678,
@Nonameuser678@aussie.zone avatar

And the part where she didn’t think their behaviour was racially or politically motivated. Like, they’re fucking nazis…it’s all racially and politically motivated.

sqgl,

I didn’t see that part. That is Trump level trolling.

DessertStorms,
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What on earth is this judge on?

white supremacy, it's a hell of a drug..

unionagainstdhmo, in Federal Court grants injunctions against online piracy requested by Foxtel and Disney
@unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone avatar

Just stupid. Do we not have the freedom to visit whatever websites we want? You could visit these sites and not pirate stuff, while unlikely there could be non-infringing material on these sites. They could just buy a new domain. We could just use VPNs. Why do we blame Communism for China’s locked down internet when Capitalism clearly wants the same thing?

Baku, in Federal Court grants injunctions against online piracy requested by Foxtel and Disney

Imo piracy (and theft in general) isn’t the problem, it’s a symptom of the much larger problems of low wages, price gouging, affordability issues, overcomplication of services and just the general scumminess of most of the companies producing film and TV shows. But of course nobody is going after those issues, are they?

Also, the URLs of the sites banned are included in the article in a nice, well formatted table. And in completely unrelated discussion, if anybody is looking for a good VPN, I’ve heard good things about windscribe

LEDZeppelin, in Grand jury investigating Donald Trump's election interference hands up indictment

Where is his bootlicker Lindsay Graham? Whenever this criminal gets indicted, you can bet Lindsay to go on national television and attack judicial branch. It’s like a clockwork

Zagorath, in Grand jury investigating Donald Trump's election interference hands up indictment
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

in Georgia

The key information missing from the headline that makes it clear how this is different from information we already have.

But also weird is:

It is unclear if the indictment is related to charges involving the former president

So we know the grand jury was investigating Trump, but we don’t actually know if these charges that have just been returned relate to Trump. Weird.

alansuspect, in Dutton threatens to pull Australia from [international] criminal court

“But I think the pressure at the moment needs to be for like-minded countries that share our values, to stand shoulder-to-shoulder

Definitely. The pressure should be on Australia to join Ireland, Norway and Spain.

galoisghost, in Dutton threatens to pull Australia from [international] criminal court
@galoisghost@aussie.zone avatar

Dutton is the high school tough guy who spends the entirety of his time calling others pussies.

nokturne213, in Dutton threatens to pull Australia from [international] criminal court
TinyBreak, in Dutton threatens to pull Australia from [international] criminal court

I’m not sure Dutton wants to pull on this thread. Part of the social contract is that bad people are put away. Now like it or not, BOTH sides here have committed war crimes. You wanna let them get away with it? No worries! So we no longer care about stopping acts of evil and righting wrong?

Jesus you best hope I dont see you at a pedestrian crossing Dutton cause if theres no right or wrong it’s up to my own personal sense of justice, isnt it?

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

If they had any guts, Labor would use this relentlessly to paint Dutton as “soft on crime”.

unionagainstdhmo, in Dutton threatens to pull Australia from [international] criminal court
@unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone avatar

Total fuckwit. You can criticise Labor for not being bold enough in international relations - but the LNP don’t give a shit about International relations, Morrison made that very clear to us and a Dutton government is a very scary prospect. Can’t believe that I actually believed David Littleproud when he said that the Coalition would be moving back to the “sensible center” after the election loss.

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Can’t believe that I actually believed David Littleproud when he said that the Coalition would be moving back to the “sensible center” after the election loss

It was always obvious that that wouldn’t happen. Logistically, how could it? All their more moderate members lost to even more moderate independents, or to the Greens. There’s no “moderate” remaining in the parliamentary Liberal Party.

NegativeLookBehind, in Dutton threatens to pull Australia from [international] criminal court
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

This guy is way too fucking bald

fiat_lux,

He has alopecia totalis. It's not by choice.

Being a fuckwit is probably also not his choice, but I'm fine with criticising him for that.

Minarble,

I was wondering why he shaved his eyebrows

rockSlayer,

Walking thumb

aeronmelon,

What’s the matter? Is he not turtle enough for the Turtle Club?

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