In a sense, Hamas had to have known that what they were going to do was going to have a HUGE military response from Israel. Govts are like the Mafia, they can’t just let any disrespect go unpunished. Hamas planned on indiscriminately killing civilians and taking hostages. I’m not sure any government in the world wouldn’t have had a predictable military response of some kind.
Hamas seems to have misjudged the extant to which Israel was willing to go (all-out war and extermination of Hamas), but they still knew at some level that Israel was going to come in shooting and killing civilians. Israel shoots at kids for throwing rocks, of course Hamas knew civilians were getting killed from their actions. Add in that Netanyahu has his own unrelated troubles in Israel and he needed a disaster like this to distract the public. Plus, Israel would take any excuse it could to further erode Gaza, so they basically handed Israel a gift-wrapped war.
Does that absolve Israel’s military from indiscriminately killing civilians? Absolutely not, they have their own issues with systemic racism towards Arabs that’s built up over decades and a military that’s apparently given up on professionalism and following the rule of law. I think their calculus is total extermination of Hamas and further encroachment into Palestinian lands, to them that’s more than worth whatever civilian casualties and international condemnation they get for a few months of conflict.
Israel is still in the wrong for retaliating to 10/7 at all. If you punch a guy in a bar, then he punches you back, you aren’t then allowed to retaliate to the retaliation. Throwing a 3rd punch would mean you are both the starter of the fight, and also responsible for perpetuating it
Of course I'm not but I'm also not surprised that its happening after Oct 7. I think there should be an immediate ceasefire, from both sides, and then hash out some kind of diplomatic compromise. Not up to me though
I would also like a cease fire. Or truce. An armistice or something that creates a short term and then a long term peace where the Palestinians can have the freedoms that the Israelis have. Though that may be too much to ask.
I can’t explain Hamas’ thinking for the actions of Oct. 7th. But I can see, if we work your analogy, that they didn’t just go out to poke a bear. Rather, the bear has been menacingly hovering over Palestinians after coming into the home and swiping at them for decades. They can either die slowly doing nothing, or fight back knowing that they can be morally injured. Meanwhile, all your neighbors are saying you should let the bear live peacefully in your home. In fact, the city council made a plan for that to happen. Enen your friends are like, “The bear isn’t that bad.” So you fight back. And your friends aren’t on team bear anymore. And some neighbors are like “WTF bear!” And none of that happens without knifing the bear.
Yeah, yeah we’d rather kill all Palestinians, sure. Cause Jews are so evil forcing their religion and culture on everybody else, killing and beheading people in the name of their god in a war against democracy, liberalism, equal rights and “the west”.
I. want. pro Palestinians to explain why they think Israel wants to exterminate Palestinians while ignoring Hamas’s slogan for the eradication of Israel and Jews. It’s reverse psychology right? If we would say that we want to erase Gaza then you’d believe we have good intentions, right?
I mean, I wrote it last, and your view point is laughable as all get out, because you seem to keep equating Judism with the existance with Isn’treal… also the removal of Genocide is not bad.
I mean I would love for a Genocide to stop happening from a Setteler colonial nation, who seems hell bent on the extermination of a multi-religious group of people,(because yes there where and are palistianian jews) can you please set that up?
no Isnt’real started it when they where doing the slow genocide, you cannot blame an opressed group for fighting their opression. your poking the bear analigy in no way holds up. Isn’treal was not minding its buisness it was before the opporation still activly genoicing the palistinians.
Yes please. Otherwise it’s cringy. Nobody is “genociding” your precious Palestinians man. It was founded for Jews to have a safe place. But it’s kinda hard when all Muslim countries surrounding it keep poking it and getting their asses kicked. Hey if we wanted it to be fair there should be as many Christian countries as Muslim and Jewish and Buddhist and atheist etc. countries. But unfortunately Jews have been “genocided” for thousands of years and they only have one tiny country to call home in a sea of Arab.
Hey man, your reason and logic aren’t going to hold up to the Qatari and Iranian Propaganda. Doesn’t matter that one side rejected the deal offered at the start, doesn’t matter that one side refuses to acknowledge the other sides existence. This is the time when people can shit on Jews, err I mean Zionists and feel good about themselves.
The oppressor narrative is pretty hilarious when you put it into the context of a simple map showing Arab countries vs non Arab countries in the region. Next we’ll start hearing about how those countries all converted without a single drop of blood LMFAO.
You either need to learn what the word literally means or you need to reread the ICJ ruling.
There’s no genocide happening. If there were, don’t you think the court would have ruled for a ceasefire or a stopage like they did in Ukraine.
You fallen for the propaganda. You’re not alone, but that doesn’t make you right.
As for Zionism being anti-Semitic, the majority of the world’s Jews would disagree with you. Zionism The goal of Jews to have self-determination. Israel provides them that. Anyway, you attempt to twist that is taking that definition away from the way it’s understood by the vast majority of non morons in this world.
They are unable to irder a cesefire as Hamas is not under their jurisdiction, what they can do, and what they did do is order Isn’treal to stop the genocide and take all mesures to prevent it from happening, that they have.
I understand what propoganda is, and I understand how you could think I have fallen for it, but what has happened is I know the Deffinition of genocide … and I have Eyes, and Ears, they both fuction, I also have a functioning brain that knows how to process information. I am starting to learn that this is a rare and scarce resource to posess.
As for the idea being anti-semetic, my claim is 1 that before the end of ww2 the idea of Zionism was heavily linked with Anti-Semitism, and 2) that as far as I can tell that has not changed significantly changed. If you would like Cambridge has an article about how there was a strong link between Zionism Anti-Semitism and Nazism. I have not seen any reason to see this as having changed. Now I apreciate your attack on my charicter and mental state of mind, but if you would like to take up the case of moron with Cambrage I would love to hear it …
I’m good with my position here. I share the ICJ opinion, it’s not a genocide. It could quite easily be one but it’s not and it’s not going to become one. The intent simply isn’t there, and if it were then the 2 million Arabs living in Israel wouldn’t be nearly as comfortable as they are. The Palestinians in Jordan wouldn’t be nearly as comfortable as they are. Unless Gazans have adopted terrorism as a part of their cultural identity, there’s no intent to destroy a people or culture.
Except the ICJ did say it was a genocide, have YOU read their statement, I have provided the opinion of the court to you. You are on the wrong god damn side of history. May John Browns Soul Find you and dispatch with you as he does with the wicked and the opressors.
You know when I was younger I wondered how people could let the Holicaust happen, I thank you for answering that question for me.
They absolutely unequivocally did not make that statement LMFAO. They clearly said Israel has an obligation to prevent one, which was already happening.
The Holocaust happened because people like you swallowed the bullshit you’re swallowing today. Including the lie this is a Holocaust equivalent FFS.
Genocides don’t end when the hostages are released and Hamas lays down their arms. It’s that simple. If Israel keeps pressing once Hamas is gone, I’ll eat my words.
Look man, I have no care about being “cringy” I think your complet lack of human empathy or geoplolitical understanding is cringe, but that is not the reason I am arguing.
No the reason Isn’treal was founded (yes I am doubling down on it) was a fuffilment of Zionism, at the time was seen as a deeply anti-semetic idea, and it arguably still is, it is we do not want the Jews near us, Their only argument for it is that the tora talked about it their, and may I point out that it is rediculous that we would use a holy book as justification for kicking people who where living in an area already out of their homes. Palistine already existed as the Palistinian Mandate, it was a mandate under the UK as a comprimise after WW1 for the dissilusion of the Ottoman empire, between self determination of the locals, and the empire building of the great powers of the time, so the idea being is it would be the UK’s in name only. Isn’treal soon after they took over the Mandate of Palistine, did the Nakba, removal of all political rights and posessions, and forced migrations into the gettos, massicers and killings, destruction of importion cultrual and comunity sights, and this, Fimbulwinter, is why their neighbors dislike them, this event right here,
If you are curious the reason why there are so many isalmic nations in the area, we can look at the ottoman empire, I also want to point out that their are 0 Athiest nations, a large amount of Christian nations.
So yes Isn’treal has been genocidal from day one, you can even ask the first person they asked to be president Albert Einstine who refused on the basis of the being genocidal.
So what you’re saying is that Hamas should have known that israel are such insanely brutal barbarian Nazi’s that they should have been too scared to stand up against oppression?
I watched a few minutes of your video. For the love of all that is holy, Gaza is not a concentration camp - they are not being forced into slavery, gassed, tortured, experimented upon and systematically killed. It’s not even an “open air prison”. What are you people talking about? How can you be so arrogant about a subject you know nothing about first hand??
You’re half right. They did say Israel (come on man you can do it, spell right) must take all steps to stop a genocide from happening (because there isn’t one happening right now) and they demanded Hamas release all hostages. Why have you not done that yet?
I mean first, I need to point out that that Isn’treal was convicted genocide.
I would also like to point out that the “hostages” potentialy could be called Prisoners of war, have been demonstrated as safer with Hamas as the IOF has shot released POWs who have come under a white flag to the IOF
No video evidence of secret military bases, no idependent evidence of that, no independent testemony, only Isn’treal bombing then claiming it was a “Hamas Base”
Hamas members confirmed they operated under Al Shifa. There’s video evidence of the tunnels. the AP and CNN are the top two hits in that search I linked. CNN corroborated the claim. Articles from years ago made it clear that Al Shifa was a defacto Hamas HQ.
Listen buddy, this is not what I’m looking for. I was entertaining the idea of debating with pro Palestinians but I have zero interest in speaking with someone pro Hamas. It’s like wanting to talk to a member of ISIS. No thank you.
I am not hearing answers to questions like “why Isn’treal is destroying food” and “why isn’treal is not allowing medicine in” and “why Isn’treal is bombing hospitles and schools” and " why Isn’treal is giving a location for a safe zone then promptly bombing a safe zone" ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTIONS
They are being kept there, they are not allowed to leave. Normally I would call that a prison, but prison would imply that they were convicted of a crime, which they weren’t. They are kept there, because Israel considers Palestinians to be an undesirable ethnicity. That is a concentration camp. You are conflating concentration camp with the nazi death camps.
Palestinians with dual nationality might be able to leave, but most of them can’t just leave. Gaza is surrounded by blockades imposed by Israel and Egypt, which restrict movement. Israel prevents access to and from Gaza by sea and air. Land movement is restricted to three crossings: the Egypt-controlled Rafah crossing and Erez and Kerem Shalom crossings, which Israel controls.
The blockades exist due to Gaza being governed by a terrorist organization, but I wouldn’t make a blanket statement that Gazans are all forced to stay there. Hell, hundreds of thousands of them were routinely coming into Israel for work. Voting for and electing a terror organization whose main goal is openly eradicating all of Israel and Jews might create some emigration problems though.
your a parinoid Genocide supporter and you might want to rethink your positions before you find yourself on the wrong side of history forever, If you belive in a maker, with an afterlife, they will judge you, they will judge you harshly and you will most certanly find yourself in the worst possible version of said afterlife, asuming ofcorse you belive in it, repent now.
your claims are paridoxical and all fall into a typical facistic fraimowrk of the enemy is both strong and weak, everywhere and now where, can do and is free to do what they want, and cannot because they are all terrorists,
a half ounce of self reflection would go along way for you
That’s also why they aren’t letting the rodents leave, the rodents are also Hamas. And obviously, hospitals and churches are well known to be the highest ranking members of Hamas.
most citizens of Isn’treal have dule citizenship, why do you genocidal manachs just leave.
also is Hamas in the room right now?
also agian, Eradicating a genocidal state is a noble goal, and the only place saying their goal is eradication of jews is Isn’treal who also says that critisizing them is tantimout to anti-semitism, when there is a stronger historical connection to zionism and anti-semitism
i would have pushed it here as a reply but it surpassed the maximum character count. you might find it useful for supporting your arguments in the future.
So what you’re saying is that Hamas should have known that israel are such insanely brutal barbarian Nazi’s that they should have been too scared to stand up against oppression?
I can’t say what they should have known, but ot looks like they were really aiming for Israel to go “your rocket strikes always hurt but that massacre hit us especially hard, and you also took civillians as hostages, so yeah, we have no choice but to stop oppressing you. Sorry for everything and you can keep the hostages”, which couldn’t be fruitful no matter how you look at it.
Did you see videos recorded by Palestinians themselves on that day though?
Random gore videos from syria and other places and some rape videos from different time and regions. I was scared as a muslim but my friends said be brave, idf is good at spreading false information and it really did happen.
Looks legit but guess who was not using single bullets. Also you linked an indian article, dont do that if you are asked for a source. India today looks like another month piece of Modi’s fascist govt.
Auto or dumping mags has been what israel is doing. They were shooting down everyone including their own people with a machine gun attached to an Apache helicopter.
It proves that israel was helping hamas commit the massacre to get more numbers. Also wdym by Palestinians? Hamas and Palestinians are not the same.
Auto or dumping mags has been what israel is doing. They were shooting down everyone including their own people with a machine gun attached to an Apache helicopter.
It proves that israel was helping hamas commit the massacre to get more numbers.
I’ll skip asking why coming up with how Israel used helicopters and how does that relates to events of October 7. But I’ll ask if you mean that Israel was planning to do exactly that and even coordinated it with hamas.
Also wdym by Palestinians? Hamas and Palestinians are not the same.
Are hamas not Palestinians? Are people who attacked Israel on October 7 not Palestinians? Do hamas not recruit Palestinians?
Are you being intentionally dense?
Not sure what do you mean but I’m trying to be consistent.
I don’t think such a question is what a theoretical judgment should end with.
I’d like to ask a question “is there an explanation of logic behind the attack on October 7?”.
The only explanation I can come up with is that hamas wanted a lot of Palestinians to get killed. This fits more points in a “hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians” narrative, than any other explanation would fit the “Israel doesn’t care about Israeli” narrative.
The explanation is that Israel has been effectively laying seige to them for 30 years, and they found a chance to actually hurt them and seized it. There was no other choice available to them. If some Palestinians survive this, it will be more than would have survived without the 10/7 attack
There’s a similar fallacy that’s often applied to USSR under Stalin: when you compare populations in 1930 to 1934, IE appx the length of the devastating famine they experienced, you’ll see that it declined something like 20% over that time. People who generate propaganda about communism will say that something like 30 million people died during it, by subtracting the numbers, and ignoring the fact that birth rates had been steadily dropping for years as the famine grew worse. What actually happened is that 5-8 million died, and 22 million were never born.
My point being that it is inherently pretty misleading to use population data as the majority of your evidence. The most reliable evidence we have, IE our eyes and ears, shows us that Israel is deliberately harming and often killing Palestinians, under the logic of being a superior race. We can quibble about data all you like, the fact is that Israel is most certainly committing genocide.
I understand what you mean here, but what you stated before basically means that somebody assumed that without October 7 attack, Palestinians will die out.
This reminds me how Putin mentioned that one of reasons for his invasion was that Ukraine bombed Lugansk and Donetsk for 8 years, while freely available data shows that during last few years there were only about 20 casualties per year. This can’t justify the aggression, same as the above can’t justify the October 7 attack.
Israel did significantly worse to Gaza prior to 10/7 than gaza has cumulatively done to Israel to date, and it’s not remotely close. An article I found from may 2021 cited 5600 dead palestinians (115,000 injured) and 250 dead Israelis (5600 injured) between 2008 and 2020. And it’s actually a bit misleading to only use numbers back to 2008, because it goes back much farther.
So yes, it is accurate to say that had things continued as they were going, Palestine would have fully died out in the first half of this century.
You’re kidding. 5600 dead in a course of 12 years is not how Palestinians would be able to fully die out. You can’t justify October 7 attack with this kind of data.
Surely though, whatever source you got will count current deaths during the ground operation towards the record. And it won’t be exactly fair. Every spike on graphs have the reason and it’s not the “hey we didn’t kill enough Palestinians yesterday, let’s get back to work” reason. Not sure why do I even need to explain such simple things.
Sure, maybe extinction was too far. But certainly the trajectory prior to 10/7 was not something Palestine could abide. And it’s also certain that by 2050, 100% of the land making up Palestine would be stolen. Claiming that Hamas started the war is 100% false, noatter which way you look at it.
But certainly the trajectory prior to 10/7 was not something Palestine could abide.
It could not survive or it could not tolerate Israel?
And it’s also certain that by 2050, 100% of the land making up Palestine would be stolen.
Stealing the whole Palestine land sounds improbable to the same extent “kill all Jews” does.
Claiming that Hamas started the war is 100% false, noatter which way you look at it.
I did not claim that. I don’t think what’s happening is a war. But I will claim that the ground operation was caused by hamas’ actions. This could’ve been predicted and avoided. Hamas proved themselves to be ineffective in whatever they were trying to achieve, and in caring about citizens. I’m surprised why people aren’t asking them to surrender themselves and hostages to stop the operation asap, as it would prevent further casualties.
Because nobody in Gaza is naive enough to believe Israel would actually do as they say. Israel has been steadily taking their land for decades, it’s already over half gone. 2050 is an optimistic guess.
Hamas not starting it earlier? Gaza wasn’t capable of it prior to 10/7. 10/7 happened because Israel got complacent and assumed the “animals” they were caging weren’t intelligent at all. Israel assumed they had all given up.
Did they tell you that? You just assume Israel’s plan was to do nothing until Gaza lives on a 1 m^2 land? If I wanted to exterminate something that is growing in population by year I’d act asap.
Also no matter how you look at it the 10/7 was not intelligent at all. Unless you call fulfilling a blood revenge intelligent.
They took hostages because israel has illegally kidnapped many Palestinians and tortures them in prison without trial before oct7. And Hamas wants to trade their hostages for the Palestinians hostages kidnapped by israel.
Me watching it has nothing to do with my questions above. Please read them properly.
Unless what you propose is that hamas watched that video, got back in time with the knowledge that “this time Israel will do such a thing” and attacked…
I think calling that demonstration peaceful is at least a simplification but let’s forget that.
“Asking less nicely” you say. But I don’t see proofs of that really being the purpose of hamas actions. Asking in a way that would not lead to further deaths of your own people should have been the way.
Yet they were building rockets instead of defenses all this time. If they couldnt eradicate all that they needed/wanted (the whole Israel I guess) why even start something like the October 7 attack?
Are you comparing Israel to nazi? It doesn’t seem like they were doing a nice job at genociding as the Palestinians population was increasing steadily during last years.
I’m asking again, about the basic logic of any actions. Whoever planned the October 7 attack, were not going for success. If they valued lives of Palestinians (their own) they would do something else, or use something else.
Israel is currently killing more children in Palestine each day than the Nazi’s did in one of their biggest concentration camps at the height of the Holocaust.
Yes I am comparing israel to the Nazi’s. That is the most apt comparison.
Yeah you mean after the October 7. Reading your comments, hamas were shocked by current events and decided to do that attack. The scenario is missing a time machine though. And possibly some logic.
We may as well see Putin announcing that he started the war because NATO decided to expand through Finland.
Genocide or not, the ground operation had a starting point which is October 7. Whatever happened then was not what Israeli wanted.
My point is to try to find an explanation for actions of hamas other than their desire to have many more Palestinians killed. They are humans and therefore no strangers to logic, so I want to get a sense of it.
Consistency is not necessary, IMO. What did Israel expect Gaza to do when they started genociding them? The deaths of all civilians as well as all combatants are the fault of Israel. They don’t get to play dumb about what was going to happen after starting a genocide.
I disagree. It’s difficult to ask perfection from Palestinian resistance but there were still mistakes made. But two wrongs do not make a right and we need to stay morally consistent.
If a Hamas fighter did knowingly shoot a non-combatant then that action is wrong.
But how can they possibly know someone is a non-combatant? The opponent doesn’t even follow the Geneva convention, meaning it’s correct to fire on people wearing a red cross, carrying a white flag, etc.
Hamas started the war. Hamas took hostages to force a ground campaign. Hamas spent huge amounts of resources building an underground tunnel network. To say they dug in within the civilian population of Gaza is a massive understatement. Hamas does not wear uniforms when they fight.
Those are facts that oversimplified cartoon memes can’t change.
It’s war. If there’s a valid military objective, then you hit the target even when you know civilian casualties are possible. Efforts should be made 9and they are) to prevent civilian casualties, but in a war civilian casualties are inevitable.
Hamas knew civilian casualties would happen in the war they started. In fact they started the war by killing civilians. Hamas simply didn’t care about civilian casualties, both Israeli and Palestinian.
Isn’treal has been doing a genoicide lots longer than october the 8th, look at the Nakba, Heck look at the statments the government of Isn’treal makes about the palistinians.
The good old cycle of violence, huh? Logically if the Nakba justifies October 7, then October 7 justifies everything that’s happening now.
Of course logically speaking, when you choose violence, the only thing that matters is which side has the greater capability of exercising violence on the other. And that side is clearly Israel.
The Nakba may have given Palestinians a stronger hand at the negotiating table. But Palestinians chose Hamas and Hamas chose violence. Their grievances are irrelevant when they commit an act of war.
92% of Palestinians support hamas, they spit on the Israeli children as they were dragged off to be raped and murdered. Both sides are pure evil, supporting either side is smooth brain move. Fuck Israel, fuck palestine.
why would you create a false equivelence between the opressed and the opressors, the genocided and the genocidal, Palistine has a right to stand up and stop the Genocide. This is not some topic you can sit of the fence for, this is not some “both sides are bad” move, there is a genocide going on, and your choices are to oppose the genocide or not to oppose a genocide, that is it, its really simple
Pro PRC, yes, Pro Russia, I would not say that, in the geopolitical sense they are preferable to NATO, troll, I would not classify myself as troll but to each their own, and most of the time, I am not the one doing the baiting nor the straw maning. That being said, Thank you for looking at you comment history, and felt the need to call my standing up fpr a people under genocide trolling, I feel so special now
And why are you mentioning Israel? I very clearly said fuck Israel. You clearly only have the capacity to see everything as good vs evil, so one side must be good.
It is shitty that civilians get caught up in this but I feel it’s a lot as if Nazi germany accused the allies of genocide in WW2. There simply is no moral base for this. And let’s not forget Hamas was also voted into power at some point.
Yes but apart from the usual cynicism you can’t know how bad a politician will be. Putin and Hamas have not had real democratic elections for a long time now. Longer than the expected term length. Are civilians really responsible for this? Would you risk your life and that of your family to revolt against dictators? Because that’s what you’re asking people to do.
On the topic of Hama’ rise to power though, who created the circumstances for Palestinians to make Hamas a good option?
What? What I mean is if you vote for the extremists, don’t be suprised pickachu face if your male population is decimated and your capital looks like Berlin 1945 afterwards.
I didn’t vote for Trump, but I should be killed because he got into power anyways? That’s fucked up, especially since Hamas was financially supported by israel
That was a traditional war, with opposing armies facing each other in combat. Palestine cannot have an army due to the oslo accords.
The majority of the people killed in WWII Germany were the victims of the Holocaust, then the German soldiers, not civilians. Here, the vast majority killed are civilians, not the Hamas combatants.
The goal of the Allies was to end the war. The goal of israel is revenge and (depending on which israeli you ask) the elimination of the state is Palestine.
Second, no I don’t think that the German civilian deaths were fine. Just like I don’t agree with dropping atomic bombs on two Japanese civilian towns. And WWII is infamous for being brutal, inhumane, and a repulsive example of human hatred and violence.
So to summarize, killing innocent people is bad. The people dying don’t deserve to die and don’t have to die. israel should stop.
I disagree. Israel is not targeting civilians, they are getting caught up because Hamas uses human shield tactics that maximize civilian deaths. Israel also is not in to destroy palestine or for revenge, they are in for destroying Hamas. And when dealing with extremists you have to go for full surrender, always was like this thoughout history and it’s also true here. War has changed that’s true and Israel is making use of that to minimize civilian deaths, did you note how they are using guided bombs instead if carpet bombing for instance? Still it’s impossible to save every innocent civilian and it is an infeasible standard for a war even in this day and age.
But you’ll criticise the sources so let’s go with the UN (although IDF trolls will still complain that UN is somehow controlled by Hamas or smth equally silly)
GENEVA (16 November 2023) – Grave violations committed by Israel against Palestinians in the aftermath of 7 October, particularly in Gaza, point to a genocide in the making, UN experts said today. They illustrated evidence of increasing genocidal incitement, overt intent to “destroy the Palestinian people under occupation”, loud calls for a ‘second Nakba’ in Gaza and the rest of the occupied Palestinian territory, and the use of powerful weaponry with inherently indiscriminate impacts, resulting in a colossal death toll and destruction of life-sustaining infrastructure.
Hamas hasn’t held an election since 2006. In that election, 45% of the population voted for Hamas, 42% voted for the Fatah, and the remaining 13% voted for smaller parties. Half of Gaza is under 18 and 65% percent of the population is younger than the 25 years old.
So what you’re saying is that Gazans should expect to be murdered because, in an election held when the majority of them were too young to vote and half of them weren’t even alive, a minority of people voted for extremists. Great point dude.
It’s not like public opinion has changed much in palestine, check the other comments for sources.
But ultimately I believe that people are responsible for their government. If you are born in gaza, realize that Hamas is shit but don’t try to bring change through protests or organizing opposition and also don’t leave but stay, go on with your live and pay your taxes to Hamas etc. then you’re part of the problem. Otherwise what is left? Hamas being untouchable due to the people acting as human shields? In my book that’s way worse.
So the palestinians are being victimized both by Hamas and Israel and they have no control of their live whatsoever? If this is your take then why do they choose to stay and why do they choose to bring kids into an environment like this?
No, my stance is that Isn’treal is comitting a gennocide aganst palistine. Hamas is not victimising anyone here, they are in effect one of the organizations the opressed are using to fight back.
As for why they “chose to stay” where do they have to go, for the VAST majority not only is palistine the only place they have citizenship to, its also their home, and most people do not take kindly to an invador trying to take it, or to wipe you and your culture out.
As for why have children, because 1) why aid the genocide and 2) they are still humans doing human things, they still want families, they still have hope for a future, when things get bad we dont just stop having offspring.
Bullshit, the invader didn’t exactly come unprovoked did it? People couldve stayed inside Gaza and live peacefully but no that’s not enough somehow. They somehow have to constantly attack their neighbour and then cry foul when they loose. When they could’ve just as well directed this energy into improving Gaza and making it more liveable. And of course Hamas is merely fighting oppression, after all parading naked bodies of girls that they raped to death is just what freedom fighters do right?
Except they could not, Isn’treal kept encroching with their illegal settlements, also look up the Nakba, they where the ones who drew first blood, not the Palistinians. When you are being activly opressed, you do not lie down and make your getto more livable you fight the opression
also there is no evidence of Hamas raping anyone… let alone parading it arround, you know who has reports of raping women though, that is right Isn’treal. so maybe stop speaking out of your god damn ass, and stop suporting the genocider. Opressed people have a moral right to fight back aganst their opressor.
Im referring to the case of Shani Louk among others, go look up the videos if you can stomach it. Somehow I don’t see this behaviour on IDF side, they also don’t attack music festivals or take 4yo kids as hostages. Hamas has lost any credibility and certainly has no moral right to anything anymore. The case of settlements might be shitty but they are no justification for any of this.
look at the Nakba, or the consistant or ongoing and persistant genocide of the Palistinian people of Isn’treal that has been going on for decades none stop. There is no moral right on the side of Isn’treal, and there is no justification for their existence. Zionism, was considered Antisemetic for a long time and was linked to Nazism. During this phase of the genocide there have been endless reports of rapes of Palistinian women. If we want to talk about moral rights, the Genocidal Settler Colony, has no moral right to anything and predates hamas… speaking of, Hamas was not the first freedom fighting group, there was (and still is) the Popular front, they are far more left wing, but grew too popular for the liking of Isn;treal so they funded Hamas hoping to start infighting (there was not) the only thing that happened was it became a freedom fighting group closer to the overton window of Isn’treal.
I mean maybe the way Israel was set up was not correct but it’s been a long time ago and it’s time to let go. This is revisionist, just like Putin arguing how he wants the soviet union back or China vs. Taiwan. Israel is a fact for a long time now, there is no good way to change this now so maybe look forward and try for peaceful coexistance.
And yes the settlement policies and other things are bad, I’m not saying that everything Israel is doing is 100% good. But it’s on an entirely different level and the ends don’t always justify the means. If you try to fight this by being a babarian horde using human shield tactics and by parading dead girls with their tits out through the streets of Gaza then don’t expect my support.
So let me get this 100% straight what you are saying… Isn’treal stole land, even after Palistine offored to start a new state combining the both of them, they did the Nakba… confined them to gettos, contenualy will launch attacks on them un provoked, kicked them out of their homes, prevent them from travel, puts Palistine on a strict calorie count as found by the UN to keep the palistinians hungry, routeenly denies them water, food and electricity, will routenly kill them, berate them, dehumanise them. Call them “animals” and “Beasts” but because Isn’treal started this genocide in the late 1940s so if we round to 1950 about 70 years ago, within living history, was “so long ago” the people, who might I add are STILL BEING GENOCIDED should just let it go, because without violance there is no way for them to end their opression and genoicde?
Your argument, just so I know 100% and I am not called someone who is straw manning later is that if a genocide is happening for long enough, and opression is happening for long enough, the opressed should just let it happen, and rocking the boat means violance, and might make others uncomfertable, so just let the genocide happen and try your best to live peacefully with, the people who have in the past genocided you, and are still genociding you?
This is not at all what I said and you are making assumptions that are not true. Like Israel is attacking unprovoked just for the sake of it? That’s bullshit. And Israel routinely kills random civilians out of cruelty? That’s simply not true. Yes civilians sometimes end up as collateral damage but it is never the direct intention. The IDF has processes in place to determine when and where to attack and every single one is based on intel and reasonable probability that legit combatants and targets are hit. Are they always right? Of course not. Do they accept civilian casualties if that can’t be avoided? Of course they do. That doesn’t change the fact that civilians are not attacked unprovoked just like that out of cruelty or in order to genocide them.
The same can’t be said about Hamas music festival attacks and that precisely is the difference.
agian Look up the Nakba, this has been a decades long genocide, nothing about what Hamas is doing is unprovoked, they are retalating aganst a DECADES LONG GENOCIDE
Sorry but even if we assume somehow all other ways are exhausted and violence is your last resort, going after the kids and the festivalgoers is never justified under any circumstances. Maybe if Hamas wouldve directed the fight at the people that have bit to do with the situation like police or army who also use violence to enforce shitty policies.
But with the way things are and the actions Hamas did I don’t have to think twice, I’ll side with Israel and IDF. They are not perfect but still the way way better option.
So you will side with the people comitting a genocide. Your actions words and beliefs speak loudly about your charicter. History will speak volumes as you have firmly planted yourself on the wrong side of it. I hope that John Brown’s soul finds you and he does what he does best to the wicked, and to the oppressive forces, his soul goes marching on, and that should keep people the likes of you up at night.
You cannot look at what Isn’treal has done, the strick calolery count, the slow march in, and tell me that this was not on the horison. You cannot tell me that the palistinians had any other choice, when your options are 1) do nothing and die or 2) stand up and maybe not die, it is only right and just that you fight back. This is not shitty desisions this is a genocide, it started back with the Nakba, and they are contenuing it now. Just because Hamas is not being civil about it, or peacfully protesting means nothing. I hope you some day can out grow your silly little civility politics and relise what is happening. I also hope you never have to even immagine going through a genocide, as the palistinians have done.
That’s quite a big and hefty “just because”. And also shooting up a music festival is not “standing up to the fight”, there was no fight there at all. And also there are plenty of other options. If you don’t want to fight and risk your life, what about instead of going after the kids you just move elsewhere and maybe support the cause from exile, organizing opposition doing lobby work etc. I get that it is shitty to leave your place like this. But how is shooting up a music festival somehow the more reasonable option?
Totally dude, totally. If I were a child growing up in Gaza, and I lived in poverty, with poor access to food and medicine because of Israeli blockades, while thousands of my countrymen where killed or displaced by Israeli air raids or gunned down by the IDF for protesting…well, obviously I would want to overthrow Hamas. I would definitely hate the group fighting the country makes my life hell, and I would definitely try get Hamas out of power.
Like you said, people are responsible for their government, and the people of Gaza (who are, again, HALF CHILDREN) are responsible for removing these extremists from power, even though they don’t hold elections. Another great take dude.
You mean the blockades where Israel supplies Gaza with water and electricity? And you think after what happened Israel should just accept Hamas at their border and wait it out for the next attack?
Sucks for the kids but it’s also pretty bad for the Israeli children that are still in captivity btw. Should Israel just give up on them?
You mean the blockades where Israel supplies Gaza with water and electricity?
Holy shit the Israeli propaganda is strong.
After more than a month of the Israeli government’s unlawful blockade of Gaza, which has included catastrophic cuts to water, fuel, and electricity, as well as very limited deliveries of food, water, and medical supplies, the lack of clean water is resulting in “grave concerns” by public health experts of an imminent infectious disease outbreak in Gaza, including waterborne illnesses like cholera and typhoid.
Israel is genociding Palestinians. This is not some controversial take. It’s the stance of the UN and the majority of the international community, supported by mountains of evidence.
Yet still pigs like you dare write garbage comments like that
I mean that’s exactly what I am talking about. How was Israel in a position to cut anything? Because it was them supplying in the first place. To you expect them to keep on feeding and supplying after the attacks? You kill my festival goers and cry foul if I stop giving water and electricity in return? Maybe don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Honestly, it blows my fucking mind how utterly delusional people like you are.
A hypothetical, if you will: you own a house and assume (for some legitimate reason) that you own the land around it as well. Well, the state informs you that you don’t actually own the whole land and I’m gonna build a house next to you.
No issue there, plenty to go around. But then for the next few generations, I keep annexing your land bit by bit. I even annex most of your house, and now you’re living in the cupboard under the stairs, because I made you.
Would you feel anger? Well, that’s irrelevant. At that point, you’re dependent on me, because of my actions.
Does that justify then locking you in the cupboard without food, electricity or water? Does that make it okay for me to deprive you of basic human rights?
Especially because you didn’t even do anything. It was your violent cousin that you have no contact with and who you think should be in jail. But he shares your surname, so I use that to justify my crimes against you.
UN notes I’m wrong. A majority of the international community agrees I’m breaking your basic human rights.
I still refuse to admit I’m doing anything wrong.
End of hypothetical. Do you see anything wrong with it?
No. And now you’ll regurgitate some more zionist prppaganda while completely ignoring the UN’s position that Israel is committing warcrimes. You simply can not admit any flaw with Israel, because of your programming.
Did I say I approve the land stealing and settlement policies? What I said is that going on a killing spree and running amok on a music festival is not an acceptable reaction, even if you’re being treated unfair and your land is being stolen. And if your government thinks it is then this kinda does become your responsibility.
That is not at all what I said. And I do indeed not believe Israel is genociding palestinians. The settlement policies are shitty but they do not equal genocide. Refusing supplies if Hamas takes control of them, that’s also not too much to ask. And if Hamas declines, who is it now that is denying supplies to palestinians? It’s a shitty situation but no, genocide is something else entirely.
I grew up in Germany and you’re right, that might have influenced my views about how people are responsible for their government and how extremism has consequences.
“I know better than the UN and the majority of the international community, they’re all just propagating Hamas’ lie but everything Israel says is 100% true and they’ve not done anything wrong”
See the part a few comments ago where I said my mind is honestly blown by how delusional people like you can be.
Court order Detailing the provisional measures that Israel should implement, the ICJ judge noted that both South Africa and Israel were States parties to Genocide Convention and therefore had agreed “to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide”.
Quoting article 2 of the key international treaty signed in the aftermath of the Second World War, Judge Donoghue explained that genocide was defined as “acts committed with an intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.
The two-million-strong Palestinian population did indeed constitute a distinct group in the court’s view, she said.
Turning to the article 3 of the Genocide Convention, which prohibits “conspiracy to commit genocide” and public incitement to commit genocide, the judge said that the ICJ had taken note of a number of statements made by senior Israeli officials.
These included comments by Yoav Galant, Defense Minister of Israel, who reportedly told troops on the border with the enclave that they were fighting “human animals” who were the “ISIS of Gaza”.
You’re simply refusing reality, because you’ve been brainwashed.
You grew up in Germany. I believe the schools in Germany teach the history of the holocaust pretty well. If you were awake for even a minute during even a single lesson, you must have heard about how the Jewish people were treated during WWII, and with what rhetoric the Nazis justified that with.
But you’re still unable to perceive that when Israel is doing it? Even when UN and the majority of the international community agree vehemently that Israel is committing crimes against humanity?
Of course I do see the facist tendencies also in Israel and their government. And of course, I never said what happened to palestine now and before is all fun and games. It’s just that I think Hamas and leaving them unchecked is so much worse. That’s it really, choosing the lesser of two evils.
Being a victim of systemic genocide because you have cousins who fought against being genocides is “more evil” than actually systematically genociding people?
See it’s things like these which make my stomach turn over when I read your comments.
So do you deny Israel is genociding Palestinians?
In one of you comments, you said that under no circumstances should anyone be killing kids.
Israel is knowingly and willingly killing women and children, in horrific amounts.
##Two Thirds of Gaza War Dead Are Women and Children, Briefers Say, as Security Council Debates Their Plight
Sima Sami Bahous, Executive Director of the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women (UN-Women), recalled that women and girls pay the highest price when armed conflict erupts. Since 7 October, when Hamas fighters attacked Israel, 67 per cent of the more than 14,000 people killed in Gaza are estimated to be women and children. “That is two mothers killed every hour and seven women every two hours,” she said. “We mourn them all.”
Every day, 180 women are giving birth without water, painkillers, anaesthesia for Caesarean sections, electricity for incubators or medical supplies, she said. Mothers, meanwhile, mix baby formula with contaminated water — when they find it — and go without food so that their children can live another day. “Women in Gaza have told us that they pray for peace, but that if peace does not come, they pray for a quick death, in their sleep, with their children in their arms,” she said. “It should shame us all that any mother, anywhere, has such a prayer.”
Could you imagine defending Hitler in 1940 by saying “I’m choosing the lesser evil”? Probably not. So open your eyes and smell the genocide.
In my book it’s more like Hamas=Hitler and bombing Gaza=bombing Dresden if we want to keep the analogies.
And also your twisting my words, I was talking about targeting kids. The question is are the kids dying because they are actively being targeted or because Hamas dug a tunnel under their house. That’s a difference. And actively targeting kids is 100% not IDF military doctrine, the same is evidently not true for Hamas.
Have you spent a year in birthright or why is a German so utterly, utterly delusional and brainwashed? Oh no wait, you never said you were German. You only said you grew up there. Going by your rhetoric, you’ve definitely listened to Israeli state propaganda, and a lot of it.
I did very early on say I’m amazed at the level of your delusions.
Israel is targeting kids. They know this. Everyone know this. There’s A METRIC FUCKTON OF OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE OF IT WHICH YOU KEEP IGNORING.
Carpet bombing an area in which more than 50% of the population are kids is targeting kids.
You’re simply so brainwashed you will never accept this. You’re like the Germans who allowed Jewish people to be genocided in plain view, yelling Heil Hitler, but after the war pretended they knew nothing about it.
You think Israeli state propaganda is more accurate than the rest of the world? The reports of the UN and all news sources, all fake, owned by Hamas? Because Israel is the only one denying what everyone can see. A despicable, horrible, purposeful genocide in which a vast majority of victims are women and children.
You are contributing to murdering women and children with that rhetoric, you sick f*ck.
#West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children
On 19 December 2023, between 2000 and 2300 hours, IDF reportedly surrounded and raided Al Awda building, also known as the “Annan building”, in Al Remal neighborhood, Gaza City, where three related families were sheltering in addition to Annan family. According to witness accounts circulated by media sources and Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, while in control of the building and the civilians sheltering there, the IDF allegedly separated the men from the women and children, and then shot and killed at least 11 of the men, mostly aged in their late 20’s and early 30’s, in front of their family members. The IDF then allegedly ordered the women and children into a room, and either shot at them or threw a grenade into the room, reportedly seriously injuring some of them, including an infant and a child. OHCHR has confirmed the killings at Al Awdabuilding, although the details and circumstances of the killings are still under verification. IDF has not released any information on the incident.
#Third Committee Condemns Brutal Bombing of Gaza Hospital, Enforced Displacement of Palestinian Civilians, Emphasizes Urgent Need for Unimpeded Humanitarian Aid
AND the systemic targeting has been going on for years.
Since 1967, Israel has systematically targeted Palestinians including children – HRC 28th session – NGO Submission, Annex (Palestine Independent Commission for Human Rights)
How fucking childish does a person need to be to believe Israeli state porpaganda? You probably also think Putler didn’t have Navalny killed? That a healthy man in his forties just happened to drop dead?
Do you understand the size difference between Gaza and Afghanistan? Keep that in mind.
Wtf you’re making this about my family background now? Which by the way is german for as far as I can trace it back, and that’s quite a few generations. But how is this relevant?
And you’re mixing stuff up, like Afghanistan also has quite a different population density and consists of desert for a large part, that might have something to do with it don’t you think? And the nature of the conflict is also quite different.
And you know what? I’m not even denying that atrocities like Annan building happen also on IDF side. But these are nutjubs that act without IDF chain of command approval and without following standard IDF processes. And there is a legal system in place where they are being dealt with and punished. Is it still unfair? Of course it is. But in palestine terrorist attackers are hailed as martyrs and their families get payouts by Hamas. That still makes the Israeli side much better in my view.
And also it’s not Israel vs. the rest of the world as you make it out to be. Israel is far from isolated on this and for a good reason.
Why would this be related to your family? Unless I’m right in that you’ve been to birthright in Israel, but your family is irrelevant, even if connected. So that’s a yes. Wasn’t really hard to imagine, truly. Because I was being serious, anyone supporting Israel like you are, denying their atrocities and the fact that they are genociding women and children is literally under the influence of the zionist propaganda. It’s not your fault, they’re really good at it. You’re a victim of propaganda.
Detailing the provisional measures that Israel should implement, the ICJ judge noted that both South Africa and Israel were States parties to Genocide Convention and therefore had agreed “to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide”.
Quoting article 2 of the key international treaty signed in the aftermath of the Second World War, Judge Donoghue explained that genocide was defined as “acts committed with an intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.
The two-million-strong Palestinian population did indeed constitute a distinct group in the court’s view, she said.
Turning to the article 3 of the Genocide Convention, which prohibits “conspiracy to commit genocide” and public incitement to commit genocide, the judge said that the ICJ had taken note of a number of statements made by senior Israeli officials.
These included comments by Yoav Galant, Defense Minister of Israel, who reportedly told troops on the border with the enclave that they were fighting “human animals” who were the “ISIS of Gaza”.
Israel is committing genocide. Killing women and children.
But you’re making sick excuses and justifications for the genocide, and saying “the Israeli side is better” as if the Palestinian women and children were doing anything to Israel. You don’t even have the ability to discern between Hamas, a terrorist organisation, and the people of Palestine. Because you’ve been brainwashed into thinking they’re all the same and thus it’s justified to exterminate them all.
It’s sickening to me that despite the horrors inflicted on the Jewish people in WWII, they’re still doing this now. It’s sickening.
I don’t know, you’re down to personal insults now and framing me as a bad human? So I’m falling for pro Israel propaganda? Have you considered that maybe it is you who is falling for Hamas propaganda?
“Mommy, please, that man on the internet called me a bad name for actively supporting the genocide of women and children. He’s the baddie, but we aren’t, right?”
Oh no, words, they’re so terribly hurtful.
I use United Nations and the consensus of the international community to make my decisions. You use shitty lies perpetuated by zionists. You haven’t posted a single source for any of your claims, and purposefully ignored the ones I’ve sent, because you’re literally made to think they’re not real by conditioning you into not accepting that Israel ever does anything bad.
Your refusal to believe Israel is GENOCIDING WOMEN AND CHILDREN is what shows how brainwashed you are.
##Two Thirds of Gaza War Dead Are Women and Children, Briefers Say, as Security Council Debates Their Plight
Sima Sami Bahous, Executive Director of the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women (UN-Women), recalled that women and girls pay the highest price when armed conflict erupts. Since 7 October, when Hamas fighters attacked Israel, 67 per cent of the more than 14,000 people killed in Gaza are estimated to be women and children. “That is two mothers killed every hour and seven women every two hours,” she said. “We mourn them all.”
Every day, 180 women are giving birth without water, painkillers, anaesthesia for Caesarean sections, electricity for incubators or medical supplies, she said. Mothers, meanwhile, mix baby formula with contaminated water — when they find it — and go without food so that their children can live another day. “Women in Gaza have told us that they pray for peace, but that if peace does not come, they pray for a quick death, in their sleep, with their children in their arms,” she said. “It should shame us all that any mother, anywhere, has such a prayer.”
Could you imagine defending Hitler in 1940 by saying “I’m choosing the lesser evil”? Probably not. So open your eyes and smell the genocide.
You couldn’t hurt me if you tried, it’s just that this is not a basis for discussion.
And maybe look at the sources yourself, does it say Israel and IDF are the sole cause and the only side to blame for this? That part is just your interpretation.
And actually I’m curious, what do you think how Israel should react to the attacks? Roll over and take it to the chin? Just surrender and let the killings and rocket attacks happen? Because apparently Hamas outsmarted them and human shield tactics are supposed to work? Better directly surrender then, since confronting Hamas is equal to genocide? Is that it?
Still vehemently denying that Israel is committing genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
You’re just unable to accept it. Literally. You will not be able to address a single article of the UN and OCHR I’ve linked and accept them as reality. Do you not understand how childish it is to pretend that second hand Israeli propaganda is more credible than the rest of the world combined?
Prove me wrong and address these WOMEN AND CHILDREN BEING PURPOSEFULLY KILLED BY ISRAEL.
It makes my stomach hurt knowing that people like you exist, that people will defend a genocide, of slaughtering children, while pretending they care about children dying.
It’s insane.
“How do you think Israel should react”
How about by not committing genocide? That’s a good start, in my opinion. How about not using collective punishment, which is a LITERAL WAR CRIME?
So you think Israel shouldn’t be held to the standards of international laws, and should be allowed to act like an international terrorist organisation, and should be allowed to continue a literal GENOCIDE?
Imagine if you had lived 90 years earlier and you’d have to listen to non-Jewish Germans going on about “well Germany shouldn’t just sit and take these [a horrible ethnic insult] taking over our jobs and industries. They’re all to blame for! Let’s get them in the gas chambers! It’s ONLY REASONABLE!”
You sicken me. Prove me wrong and address even one of these articles.
##Two Thirds of Gaza War Dead Are Women and Children, Briefers Say, as Security Council Debates Their Plight
Sima Sami Bahous, Executive Director of the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women (UN-Women), recalled that women and girls pay the highest price when armed conflict erupts. Since 7 October, when Hamas fighters attacked Israel, 67 per cent of the more than 14,000 people killed in Gaza are estimated to be women and children. “That is two mothers killed every hour and seven women every two hours,” she said. “We mourn them all.”
Every day, 180 women are giving birth without water, painkillers, anaesthesia for Caesarean sections, electricity for incubators or medical supplies, she said. Mothers, meanwhile, mix baby formula with contaminated water — when they find it — and go without food so that their children can live another day. “Women in Gaza have told us that they pray for peace, but that if peace does not come, they pray for a quick death, in their sleep, with their children in their arms,” she said. “It should shame us all that any mother, anywhere, has such a prayer.”
I mean for real, you’re accusing me of falling for Israel propaganda but don’t you see how you are using propaganda rhetoric yourself? Like always twisting my words and not only mine, you’re misrepresenting your sources.
Like Mrs Bahous “women and children pay the highest price” of course that’s spot on and nothing about it is controversial. But given that, how do you jump to the conclusion that Israel is genociding the people of palestine? Or that Israel is actively targeting women and children? These are entirely different things.
And always throwing this accusation of genocide around as if it is the killer argument to end all discussion. And it’s not true I’m sorry. Did Israel not publicly announce their military campaign weeks in advance and tell people to evacuate from the northern regions and the conflict zones? Don’t they have this roof knocking thing going on? Are these not facts? Are these not measures to minimize the civilian deaths? Is this what genocide looks like to you? How on earth does this make sense if Israel is on a mission to kill all civilians and eradicate the people of palestine? Don’t you see the contradiction? It’s so stupid, when at the same time you could have argued that maybe Israels reaction is out of proportion or maybe their cost-benefit analysis is off. That would have given your arguments so much more credibility and could have been a meaningful basis for discussion. But no, it always has to be all or nothing, Israel is the evil zionist empire conspiring to control the world and genociding peaceful civilians out of pure and baseless hate.
And you’re evading my arguments and also my questions if they become to hard? If civilian deaths=automatic genocide and if Hamas is hiding among civilians, then what should Israels reaction have been? And please don’t give me any bullshit answers. I’m not asking what they should have done in the past and I’m not asking what they should not have done. I’m asking what do you think would be the appropriate reaction to this recent episode of the conflict.
“No no no it’s not true, you’re the one who’s brainwashed, it’s the UN who’s brainwashed, it’s the entire rest of the world who are brainwashed, not me despite me being unable to link a single source.”
You’re vehemently denying genocide.
Sick fuck.
Did Israel not publicly announce their military campaign weeks in advance and tell people to evacuate from the northern regions and the conflict zones?
If you weren’t a delusional brainwashed idiot, you’d know that this, like several other excuses you’ve used, doesn’t matter in the slightest when it comes to war crimes. Announcing you’re gonna do a war crime doesn’t absolve you of it, dumbo.
Just like I said, you can’t address a single source, but cry that they’re all Hamas propaganda. Weird how they’ve manage to convince the entire rest of the world, huh? Weird how all the evidence points to Israel committing genocide.
“Why aren’t you engaging with my pathetic attempts at excusing Israel’s crimes against humanity despite me now having any source to back up my claims, only pitiful propaganda”
Cry and stomp your foot all you want kid, your mind is not your own. You will not be able to accept reality, despite knowing what it is.
The experts raised serious humanitarian and legal concerns over Israel tightening its 16-year siege of the enclave and its population and long-standing occupation, depriving 2.2 million people of essential food, fuel, water, electricity and medicine. An estimated 50,000 pregnant women in Gaza, are in desperate need of prenatal and postnatal care. The number of internally displaced people across the Gaza Strip is estimated at around one million.
The Gaza Strip is a graveyard for thousands of children, the United Nations has said.
Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.
But I guess a random kid like you online knows better than the United Nations and we should trust you when you roll on the floor crying “no no no no no it’s not real everyone else is wrong Israel isn’t the baddy we’re not doing a genocide”?
Where did I talk about absolution? You’re doing it again, you’re being dishonest and you refuse to even acknowledge what I’m saying. How is it not you rolling on the floor crying foul? And you want sources for the obvious? Like what, you want sources on the roof knocking or the public announcement? Is that your best counter argument?
And no, it is not the rest of the world and it is not the United Nations that stand united against Israel. You want me to post a source on how the US, UK, Germany and 56 other countries voted last time? If you want to convince anyone please stick to the facts!
I’ve talked with thousands of brainwashed people like you.
The way to convince “someone” is to show how strong your brainwashing is. Not to you, perhaps, but the internet at large. You’re doing it right now.
I’ve told you several times; you’re so delusional (refusing to see reality despite understanding it’s there), that you literally, physically, CAN NOT address even a single one of the UNITED NATIONS sources that show the IDF killing women and children on purpose, and you fucking dare to imply it’s their fault because some Palestinians fought back against the genocide.
You literally can not address the facts on this issue. If all this UN and international shit is wrong, PROVE IT.
You can’t link a single source for your outrageous delusions, because there is none. There only place where your kind of rhetoric appears is like “thetimesofisrael” whereas THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD agrees that Israel is committing war crimes and genociding Palestinians.
Or are you now pretending you’ve literally not seen any of the dozens and dozens of links I’ve posted on the matter? How about this. Address the sources, instead of crying “noooooo, Israel isn’t genociding anyone and I know better than the majority of the international community and the UN”.
I’ve seen Flat Earthers who think more with their own brain than you.
Please, do tell me how I’ve made up these sources and am “misrepresenting them”? Where are your sources? Why is it that you can’t even challenge a single assertion with sources of your own? Is it perhaps because you know Israel is genociding Palestinians, but you literally, physically, can not accept that that is what is happening.
I’m not using “delusional” as an insult. It’s an apt medical term that describes what you’re doing right now.
delusional
*/dɪˈl(j)uːʒən(ə)l/*adjective characterized by orholding false beliefs or judgementsabout external reality that are helddespite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a mental condition.**“hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia”
The experts raised serious humanitarian and legal concerns over Israel tightening its 16-year siege of the enclave and its population and long-standing occupation, depriving 2.2 million people of essential food, fuel, water, electricity and medicine. An estimated 50,000 pregnant women in Gaza, are in desperate need of prenatal and postnatal care. The number of internally displaced people across the Gaza Strip is estimated at around one million.
#The Gaza Strip is a graveyard for thousands of children, the United Nations has said.
Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.
The ruling issued by the ICJ ordered six provisional measures including for Israel to refrain from acts under the Genocide convention, prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to genocide, and take immediate and effective measures to ensure the provision of humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza. Crucially, the Court also ordered Israel to preserve evidence of genocide and to submit a report to the Court, within one month, of all measures taken in line with its order.
Do you know what the “ICJ” stands for? International Court of Justice
So at this point you saying “no there’s no genocide” is literally as delusional as saying “Bill Cosby never sexually assaulted anyone”
But hey, all you need to do to prove you’re not a brainwashed shill is actually address the legitimate sources I link. You haven’t. For dozens of comments. This exchange between us isn’t for you. It’s an example to anyone else, about people like you.
(The Hague) – The International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered provisional measures on January 26, 2024, in South Africa’s case alleging that Israel is violating the Genocide Convention, Human Rights Watch said today. The court adopted “provisional measures,” or binding orders, that include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.
Shortly thereafter, Israeli authorities cut off essential services, including water and electricity, to Gaza’s population and blocked the entry of all but a trickle of fuel and critical humanitarian aid, acts of collective punishment that amount to war crimes and were ongoing at time of writing. Israeli air strikes incessantly pounded Gaza, hitting schools and hospitals and reducing large parts of neighborhoods to rubble, including in attacks that were apparently unlawful. Israeli forces also unlawfully used white phosphorous in densely populated areas. They ordered the evacuation of all people from northern Gaza and displaced an estimated 85 percent of Gaza’s population—1.9 million people—as of December 11. More than 18,700 Palestinians, most of them civilians, including more than 7,800 children, were killed between October 7 and December 12, according to Gaza authorities.
“HRW” stands for “Human Rights Watch”, but you don’t seem to believe in human rights so guess you’ll ignore those as well.
There is nothing in this world that would break your programming. It’s sickening. I’m verry sorry that you’ve been put through that, since you even actually regaining independent thought seems rather impossible. Thus, using the word “delusional” to describe you is not a personal insult in any way, it’s the most apt descriptor. You literally can not address a single one of these articles, DESPITE VEHEMENTLY DENYING THEM.
So let’s have a look at your sources. The first one from UN. Does it say Israel is the sole responsible party? Does it state that it is Israel or rather Hamas who puts palestine at the risk of genocide? It does not. The second one from aljazeera talks about legal concerns. So legal concerns=proof of genocide? That’s what I mean when I say you are misrepresenting your sources. Your stuff doesn’t hold up to basic fact checks. Shall I go on? And all of that is not even necessary when even there are plenty of legit ways to criticize Israel.
On top if that you fail to present any ideas on what Israel should be doing instead, how they should improve their ways or what alternatives options there might be. In a way I don’t blame you, I also have no better ideas and that’s probably because there are no better options.
For the genocide and collective punishment they are inflicting, yes of course they are.
Just how hard is it for you to understand that using terrorist attacks as an excuse for GENOCIDE doesn’t fly?
Still, you’ve not a single source.
So legal concerns=proof of genocide? That’s what I mean when I say you are misrepresenting your sources.
“Mummy, what is a strawman…?”
What you mean is that** “I’m too brainwashed to read even the excerpts you link, so I’m gonna pretend like there’s nothing bad happening, as I’ve been doing all the time.” **
How many kids are dead in Israel? That’s weird. When I write “how many dead kids in israel” to Google, there’s no mention of any dead Israeli kids anywhere, but several articles detailing THE GENOCIDE OF GAZAN CHILDREN. Which you just brush off as “legal concerns”. You don’t see how utterly, twisted, perverted, sick and fucking wrong that is? Shame on you. You arguing this, being pro-genocide of children literally makes me feel like vomiting. I don’t know how you can live withyourself in denial like that. It’s disgusting.
Let’s look at the first three results on google for “how many dead israeli kids”
#Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.
RAMALLAH, 11 January 2023 – More than 10,000 children have been killed by Israeli airstrikes and ground operations in Gaza in nearly 100 days of violence, according to the Ministry of Health in Gaza, with thousands more missing, presumed buried under rubble, Save the Children said.
The latest data from the Ministry of Health in Gaza shows more than 10,000 of Gaza’s 1.1 million children - or 1% of the total child population – have been killed since an attack on Israel on 7 October [1] and the assault on Gaza that has followed. The war will have been ongoing for 100 days on Sunday 14 January.
Children in Gaza surviving the violence are enduring unspeakable horrors, including life-changing injuries, burns, disease, inadequate medical care, and losing their parents and other loved ones. They have been forced to flee violence, often repeatedly, with no safe place to go, and face the terror of an uncertain future. About 1,000 children in Gaza have lost one or both of their legs, many having them amputated without anesthetic, and will require a lifetime of medical care.
The relief workers in Gaza have said there’s a new acronym in play: “WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family.”
And you still sit there and DENY that genocide? Tell me, what sort of feelings does it elicit in Jewish people when someone pretends like the Holocaust didn’t happen? Because even in me, a non-Jewish person, that raises anger and disbelief in that someone could be so brainwashed. That’s what’s happening to you, right now. You’re denying something that is INCONTROVERTIBLY TRUE. Meaning you are DELUSIONAL.
There aren’t “legal concerns”, THERE’S A VERDICT FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE. I don’t know if you missed that because you simply refuse to read it or because it’s just too much for your brain to read an entire comment if it’s not a one-line meme.
(The Hague) –** The International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered** provisional measures on January 26, 2024, in South Africa’s case alleging that Israel is violating the Genocide Convention, Human Rights Watch said today. The court adopted “provisional measures,” or binding orders, that include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.
Is that hard for you to read? Let’s make it bigger, shall we.
##include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.
Do you understand why there’s “punish incitement to commit genocide”? Because the Israeli officials have been calling for genocide, publicly. Their fucking DEFENCE MINISTER has said that they are fighting “human animals”. That is called DEHUMANISATION and it’s an important part of genocidal rhetoric. Pretending you don’t understand this is pathetic.
Yoav Gallant, Israel’s defence minister, whose call for a total siege of Gaza as part of a battle against “human animals” was noted by the court on Friday, said the ICJ had “granted South Africa’s antisemitic request”.
Netanyahu himself has said he won’t listen to the Hague. So the leader of a country committing genocide is saying they won’t follow international laws they’ve agreed to follow as members of the UN.
And you pretend none of this exists or is real. You are a pathetic and disgusting human being for denying the genocide of the Palestinians.
You still haven’t been able to show a single source to support any of your arguments. You just shake your head “no no no no no no mummmy it’s not true we’re not the baddies”. Disgusting.
Also, the majority of the sources you’ve ignored are the UN and the OCHR themselves, not that you would know what the OCHR stands for.
A) No, I mean the blockades that have been going on since 2007. They limit necessary supplies to Gaza and are the reason it has been called an, “open-air prison.” B) Israel is the occupying force in Gaza and therefore has a legal obligation to supply Gaza with water and power under the Oslo Accords. C) Israel has been failing in that obligation, because for years 97% of the drinking water has been below the minimum safety standards for human consumption.
Anyway, again, really great points, really showing your knowledge of the conflict here.
I mean there are also legal frameworks in place that prohibit kidnapping your neighbours kids and shooting up their music festivals. Somehow Hamas gets to break this but Israel is still bound to Oslo accords?
Great question! There are two possible answers: 1. Israel is a democratic nation that respects human rights, in which case it needs to behave in accordance with international law or 2. Israel is, like Hamas, a nation of extremists using violence against civilians to achieve its political goals, in which case it needs to be treated like any rogue nation. So, since you invited the comparison, you tell me; does Israel need to hold itself to a higher ethical code than Hamas, or are they the same as them?
Well I think you also forfeit some of our your legal rights after you commit crimes? And certainly that doesn’t make Israel a rogue nation or just as bad as Hamas. There’s nuance and middle ground, it’s not black and white. The USA one-sidedly canceled the Iran nuclear treaty and the Paris climate agreement and they never accepted the ICC, that’s shitty but would you argue it makes them a rogue nation just as bad as Hamas? I don’t think so.
You asked why Islrael should be expected to follow the Oslo Accords if Hamas didn’t. I answered. If.you don’t like the answer, tough. But please, if you take one thing away from this interaction, make it this; the Palestinians can’t, “forfeit some of their legal rights,” because of the actions of their government. What you’re describing is called, “Collective Punishment,” and it is literally a war crime. Congratulations, you reasoned your way into advocating for war crimes. Great job.
The right to not be killed on a music festival outweighs the right to free water and electricity. It doesn’t make Israel and Hamas equally bad or rogue. And wether you name it collateral damage or collective punishment I guess that’s what war is like, sucks but always was like this and really there is no good way around it. Because what is the alternative? Israel directly supplying Hamas who they are at war with?
The right to not be killed on a music festival outweighs the right to free water and electricity.
It abso-fucking-lutely does not. A terrorist attack does not justify denying 2.5 million people access to water. You know, cause they die without it. And this isn’t new, Israel has been using water as a weapon since the sixties. Look up Israeli Military Order 158.
Anyway, I think in done here. You’ve don’t know basic facts about the conflict, you’ve defended war crimes, and you’ve actually suggested other war crimes. You have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re an awful person. This is a waste of my time.
The situation is just way more nuanced and not so simple as you make it out to be. Like did you note how Israel is actually not outright denying all supplies, they just want to not have it controlled by Hamas. That is a very reasonable thing and an absolute good faith try to keep the supplies going. If Hamas basically declines then how is it Israel denying water or starving millions of people? I don’t think Oslo accords demand for all supplies to go through your enemy military.
Catherine Russell, Executive Director of the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), said she believed that “the true cost of this latest escalation will be measured in children’s lives — those lost to the violence and those forever changed by it”, as rampant grave violations are being committed against them. More than 420 children are being killed or injured in Gaza each day, she said, adding that it is “a number which should shake each of us to our core”.
#On average, one child is killed and two are injured every 10 minutes during the war, turning Gaza into a “graveyard for children,” according to the UN Secretary-General.
#“This occurs amidst Israel’s tightening of its 16-year unlawful blockade of Gaza, which has prevented people from escaping and left them without food, water, medicine and fuel for weeks now, despite international appeals to provide access for critical humanitarian aid. As we previously said, intentional starvation amounts to a war crime,” the experts said
No clean hands here. The whole situation is garbage. The particularly salient point is that Israel, as the nation-state actor and a liberal democracy is expected to act more responsibly and with a higher moral character. Bibi’s a trash human being, but the longer this goes (and has gone) on the more and more of the culpability is shared by everyday Israelis.
The entire conflict was started by israel when they stole the Palestinians land.
And the only party actively refusing to resolve the conflict is also israel, openly saying they will never acknowledge a Palestinian state and proudly presenting their plans to colonize the west bank as well.
The term “liberal democracy” is rather generous for a Nazi-like apartheid.
8000-9000 dead combatants, 20,000 civilians. Hamas isn’t even doing a good job of using human shields. One of the Lord’s was before parliament yesterday putting the perspective of that ratio out there. Kudos to Israel for their hard work in protecting civilians in the Urban warfare they’re engaged in was essentially the summary. 2:1 is apparently much better than the 6:1 typical of situations like this. Still too many people dying. The rockets need to stop ASAP.
“We would like to extend congratulations to Israel for only grinding up two orphans for every enemy combatant when they could be grinding up six orphans for every enemy combatant”
What a bullshit line of reasoning. I’m not blaming you, to be clear. I’m blaming the unwiped asshole who decided that spinning this into good news was the only positive thing they could say.
This is a weird comment. For months I’ve only heard about the indiscriminate killing and when someone who’s an expert on how these things play out offers context and commentary compared to global events, you don’t accept it.
Offering context does not make the decision to go scorched earth on a small, densely packed, and functionally trapped population any better.
Israel can stop whenever they want, and it will still take a decade at this point for whoever is left to rebuild. Just because they’re “doing better than most” at slaughtering civilians doesn’t mean it isn’t abhorrent.
It feels a lot like the US congratulating themselves for ushering in democracy to a functionally destroyed Iraq.
It doesn’t make what better? No one’s excusing the loss of life, they’re putting it into context by demonstrating that Israel is clearly not indiscriminately bombing the place.
Israel cannot stop, Hamas has made that exceptionally clear with their repeatedly saying they will continue to massacre the country and 10/7 was a rehearsal. No country would let that existential threat just sit on it’s border firing thousands of rockets at it. That’s just an outrageous claim to make, they can’t stop until Hamas is gone. No country on this planet would.
why are they bombing hospitals, schools, water facilities, the areas they have told the palitinians are the save zones, buldozing cemetaries, and grenading families of those who request aid in leaving due to disabilities.
Palestinians bombed their own hospitals FFS. IDF is returning fire, the question should be why does Hamas continue to set up their operations amongst civilian infrastructure?
Except all independent reports found both of thouse statments to be untrue, only Isn’treal makes those claims, they also claim that palistinians are animals, odd that they woud use such genocidal language…
WTF are you talking about? Al Jazeera literally live streamed it LMFAO. there’s no verified reports showing otherwise. If there are please send them over.
Odd they’d use the same language their enemies use? Not at all. If someone wants to pick a fight, they don’t get to cry when you fight back.
So the UN is calling for a ceasefire that the US keeps vetoing for… No reason?
Besides the Oct 7th invasion, what damage has Hamas done to Israel? The rockets that get shot from Gaza into Israel, from what I understand, unilaterally get shot down.
Netanyahu said just yesterday that he intends on thwarting any attempt to a demilitarized Palestine, which is pretty much the only compromise short of full invasion and control. Israel has essentially announced its intention to wipe out Hamas, which isn’t itself a bad thing, except that they are dislocating 1m+ people in the process into other countries that don’t want them, and killing people who don’t or can’t move.
Israel won’t cooperate with probes into the way their military handles civilian encounters, so we’re just supposed to believe them when they say “it’s fine” when videos arise of them outright executing civilians?
The US vetoed it because it lacked the turnover of hostages from what I read. Seems like a great reason to shoot it down.
There are entire towns vacated because of rocket fire. There’s been medical centers hit by fire South of Tel Aviv. Israel invested its money into defending its people, Hamas used its money to build tunnels civilians aren’t allowed into and bombs… you’re pretty much saying not enough Israelis are dying so the bombing doesn’t matter. That’s pretty fucked up but sure. One side cares about their people, the other openly states it doesn’t.
Netanyahu is a criminal, no argument there but he’s entirely correct in saying Israel will have full control over the strip when this is done. That’s the only option for Israeli safety. From there it should be transferred to a technocratic government hosted by the Arab states that have established ties with Israel, UAE and Saudi should lead that effort but that’ll come after the current administration is replaced. Based on the people protesting, that’s ASAP but not until Hamas is done.
Given the clear bias against Israel by the UN, the number of resolutions issued for human rights is comical, would you accept a probe? Iran sits on the human rights commission. Israel has been rung up for it’s treatment of women LoL. That’s a kangaroo court if there’s ever been one. It’s disappointing there isn’t a reasonable body to investigate though, UNRWA needs to be dismantled and I’m quite sure there’s monsters in the IDF that need to be locked up too. I’m hopeful their judiciary will hold their people to account, they’ve done it previously but I don’t think it’ll be enough. That’s a sad reality of war. Just like the people pulling the strings in Doha and Tehran won’t be held to account, there’s going to be Israelis who aren’t either.
No the US Vetoed it because they are complicet in the Genocide, if you hear the president ever speak about Isn’treal it is clear that he will do everything in his power to suport them no matter what they do.
Also there is no bias aganst Isn’treal, there is a larger number of nations who dislike them because, and I cannot stress this enough, most nations, and all decent people dislike genocide… I am sorry you have to learn you are a bad person this way
LoL. That you can’t even spell it properly while claiming there’s no bias just demonstrates your ignorance bigotry. You can claim I’m not a good person, I’m fine with the judgments of the likes of you. History will again show just how easily the morons of society fall for the propaganda being pushed, and you’re quite clearly one of the captured.
There’s no good guy in this conflict. No matter which way you look at it, this is not a defensive action by Israel.
you’re pretty much saying not enough Israelis are dying so the bombing doesn’t matter
What you’re saying is that provisional and hypothetical safety of civilians that aren’t evacuated is reason enough to stage an invasion with a blood price several hundred times higher.
Among other things, the biggest difference here is that Israeli civilians can be evacuated. Palestinians have nowhere to go. They are dying in their homes or dying at the border where they have nowhere to go.
the number of resolutions issued for human rights is comical
So you’re insinuating that the number of human rights violations that Israel can be held liable for should be limited by some artificial volume considered “palatable” to some authority? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If Israel is committing a comical number of human rights violations, they need to answer to a comical number of charges.
No, I’m saying that one country goes far out of its way to defend its people and the other does the exact opposite. That’s not Israel’s fault, they’re taking precautions for Gazans that Gazans refuse to take for themselves.
Palestinians don’t have many places to go and the ones they have are immediately turned into staging grounds for rocket attacks. Israel is going to return fire even if it’s from an area they told people to seek refuge in. Would you expect them not to? Wanna know how this stops tomorrow? Release the hostages and lay down their arms, it’s over. That’s really how easy this can end. The Palestinians don’t care though, they’re soaking up western sympathy with the blood of their children and that’s exactly their plan.
I’m not insinuating anything. I’m saying flat out that the UN has lost any semblance of reason on the Israel file and their record makes that abundantly clear. If there was an institution capable of investigating, I’d be all for it. The mopes who couldn’t find Hamas when they were literally sharing the same electrical meter aren’t the guys who can be trusted to investigate anything…who would you suggest investigate? Like I said, people who broke the law need to be held to account. I’m including the head of UNRWA in that.
they’re taking precautions for Gazans that Gazans refuse to take for themselves.
This is laughable. Israelis were caught on video shooting refugees. At best they’re doing no worse than Hamas. Neither side cares about the civilians. The whole 2:1 thing is a nice, tidy piece of propaganda designed to sugarcoat the fact that they are killing civilians
The Palestinians don’t care though, they’re soaking up western sympathy with the blood of their children and that’s exactly their plan
Of all the bloviating you’re doing, of all the Israeli propaganda you’ve pushed, this is the most egregious. You’ve no proof of this strategy, just like you have no proof of Israel’s good intentions. You’re just dehumanizing a population of about a million in order to justify eliminating them all over a fighting force of maybe a tenth of them.
Like I said, people who broke the law need to be held to account
No I get it. It’s clear that your version of facing the law includes a blank check for genocide because “that’s the reality of war”.
Of all the points you’ve made, you don’t seem to understand that a even a broken system with heavy bias against the aggressor is better than letting the aggressor do whatever they want to a population they have stated that they wish to eradicate.
Same place the 27000 comes from. Intelligence reporting from the region.
The 2/3rds women and children…how many of those children were fighters? You’ve gotta be really fucking stupid to accept that the under 18 crowd there isn’t taking up arms, we’ve got hours of footage direct from Hamas and UNRWA proving otherwise.
That you’re conflating the attack that started this war with the response, that you’re comparing reservists pulled from their beds and taken hostage to the Palestinians using 5 year olds as human shields really does show your ignorance and bias here. If you think the rules of engagement should be those of 10/7, then so be it. Thankfully Israel holds itself to a higher standard than the likes of Hamas and yourself.
why is Isn’treal bombing hospitals and schools. Why are they preventing food water and medicine from entering , why are they destroying water processing plants cemetaries farms and orchards.
From the AJ live tracker you can get that in Gaza 28,775 people have been killed, including more than: 12,300 children, and 8,400 women. 68,552 have been injured, including at least: 8,663 children and 6,327 women. With more than 7000 still missing. He’s either assuming all the Men killed, ~8,075 are Hamas or that some of the 12,300 children killed were Hamas.
Instead of analyzing why violent resistance to apartheid has been happening since like 1988 and advocating for an end to the occupation, it seems he’d rather justify these deaths.
You’re using Al Jazeera as your verified source? The same Media operation that’s literally paid for by the same benefactor as Hamas? No bias there LMFAO.
Technically the Gaza Health Ministry, for good reason. And no lol, I don’t exclusively use any news source. I always look for independent verification.
“Everyone uses the figures from the Gaza Health Ministry because those are generally proven to be reliable,” said Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch. “In the times in which we have done our own verification of numbers for particular strikes, I’m not aware of any time which there’s been some major discrepancy.” -WaPo
Bias and credibility are two different things. Framing deaths as being killed by Israeli forces compared to simply dying has a difference of bias. On-the-ground reporting with independent verification compared to unsubstantiated claims is a difference of credibility
I mean Hamas admits it. Multiple newspapers have published on it going back a decade… this isn’t news, but some have fallen for the revisionist history Iran is pumping out these days.
There has been no evidence of human sheilds outside of US and Isn’treal media. This is not “Iranian propoganda” Dispite your wishful thinking
Now answer my damn question why is the Isn’treal offense Force, attacking farms, schools hostpitals, water treatment plants, and areas they promised would be safe zones.
Why is Isn’treal banning food, water, desalinization and medicine entering.
LoL, how about we take Anti Semitic stereotypes for $1000 Alex, it’s in the global media but Israel must be controlling that LoL. Lemme guess, you rely on Al Jazeera?
Why is Hamas setting up in civilian settings? There’s your clear and obvious answer. You literally can’t deny them doing it, they’ve admitted to it on television in Arabic LoL. The insanity here is comical.
Those aide convoys have routinely been verified as having banned cargo smuggled in them. Why is Hamas continuing to steal aid, and put Palestinians at risk with their actions? Why did Hamas use the water pipes to build bombs? Don’t ya think that might make things toguher for Palestinians?
Why did Hamas steal the medicine for the hostages? They didn’t even use it, they just stole it.
Seems pretty clear that the problem isn’t the glorious democracy but the maniacal dictatorship. Good thing the very real idf is taking care of the problem. :*
No I have never watched Al Jazeera a day in my life I have issues with Qatar, and prefer npt to get my news from their mouth peice, I am also not saying “The Jews control the media” 1) because Isn’treal does not, has never, and will never represent Judeism, second because I understand material intrests,
Hamas is not intentionally using civilian settings, there has been no independent evidence to use this, all evedence of such has been assertions of the IOF, and Gaza is artifically overcrowded by systematic forces Isn’treal has done in a long running genocide, so when they fight back it will be closer than expected, BUT NOT A SHOOL OR HOSPITAL AND NOT EVERY SINGLE HOSPITAL IN GAZA
You see the problem with citing banned cargo is Isn’treal defines medicine food, water, or anything that can be used as such as banned cargo, so your claim is meaningless, also agian no evidence outside of Isn’treals say so
No evidence of them stealing medication l, but gpod attempt at a boogie man, why does the IOF shoot returning POWs?
Even IDF skewed exaggeratd false numbers admited they kill 70% kids and women to 30% Men aka Hamas. Where did you get that 2:1 from? Do you feel better to make up things just to not face the reality that Israel is an aparthied state and genocidal terrorists who kill babies in incubators, cripple and amputate kids, bomb and shoot women little kids hiding in their houses and cars?
The ratio was presented by a Lord in Parliament yesterday. Didn’t catch his name, he was some sort of historian. I’m sure you can find it in the record, it was in session. The absurdity of calling Israel an apartheid state when Arabs sit in Parliament, on the Courts and in political office, while the street signs are Arabic and Hebrew is utterly absurd. Do you know any Israeli Arabs? They’ve been among the loudest supporters of Zionism out there since October. That statement alone identifies you as an absolute joke.
Two Jews three opinions is a phrase that goes back to before Islam had been conceived. It’s hardly surprising that there are Jews speaking out against themselves. What’s more surprising is the overwhelming support for the state of Israel by the Palestinian Israeli population. I suppose they of all people understand how good they have it in Israel.
Interesting that you say “jews speaking out against themselves”
Those Jewish people about are speaking out against israel. The state of israel and Judaism are not the same thing, as much as zionists will try to convince you otherwise. Speaking against israel is not speaking against judaism or Jewish people as a whole.
And yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are Palestinians living in israel that are loudly declaring support for israel. They don’t want to be hurt or killed, so they say what they think will keep them safe.
Although I couldn’t find much info about that, do you have any source or more info?
The safety of Jews is absolutely directly tied to the existence of Israel, the state of Israel is directly linked to Judaism which is why Jews daily prayer starts with a call to Israel. It’s why all Jewish holidays are based on the agricultural cycles of Israel. An anti Zionist Jew is absolutely working against their own interests.
That you think Arabs in Israel don’t have the ability to speak out against the government demonstrates your ignorance here, they’re in the streets by the thousands protesting weekly.
Muhammed zoabi is a good follow if you’re interested in Arabs who support Israel while being critical of their government and policies. He is great at breaking down complex concepts although he’s a bit out there at times.
I hate to break it to you but your 2:1 ratio, is off by a factor of 10. Israel being a genocidal aparthied state ruling by IJC, Unicef, UN and many. Also guess who are the loudest supporters for China “unification” with Taiwan? Yes Taiwanise people working for the CCP. Same for Russia and Ukraine, and 99 other examples around the word. Finally, the only joke here is calling Israel a democracy because it’s actually objectively 100 times better to live under the worst dictatorships and murderous oppressive corrupt governments of the middle east than to a palestinians living in Israel
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