AncientFutureNow,

wait, the free speech crowd wants to censor your speech?

some_guy,

Hey everybody. I’m sorry to let you know that I’m an antisemite. I don’t hate or bemoan Jewish people. But I also don’t want innocent Palestinian people / children to die. I know; I’m sorry. I didn’t realize my views were so harmful. I’m gonna take a break from the internet and think about all the pain that I’ve caused.

Sorry everyone. I’m so ashamed of my antisemitism. I didn’t realize what a bigot I’ve been. Sigh…

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

I wouldn’t call this the power of Israel. That puts way to much of this on the Israeli state alone.

Israel is a settler-colonial, vassal state of the US. It’s our unsinkable aircraft carrier in West Asia. As Biden has been saying for decades, “Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region..”

Also, much of the lobbying money comes not from Israel but from our own gentile Zionists, particularly our Christian Zionists. The great majority of Zionists are not Jewish.

Kowowow,

Was it jewish people targeted by the nazis or where they only israelis on leave?

adespoton,

Is it really an anti-Semitism bill?

Being against a government of a nation methodically killing civilians in its own borders is not the same as hating a group of people because of their genetics or culture. This isn’t something that should need to be pointed out.

Are people anti-Sino for staging protests against the support of the CCP for the Uyghur genocide?

BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

The bill basically says if I can [mis]interpret your words or actions as hateful of Jews then it’s antisemitism.

Son_of_dad,

Being against a government of a nation methodically killing civilians in its own borders is not the same as hating a group of people because of their genetics or culture. This isn’t something that should need to be pointed out.

Yet the anti semites are on the side you support, but you insist they don’t exist.

queermunist,
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The antisemites are on the side you support too. They want every Jew to move to Israel and they are happy to help genocide Palestinians.

taladar,

It shouldn’t come as a big surprise that <people who hate group x no matter what group x does> also oppose <specific thing a specific subset of group x does>. That is not an argument for or against criticizing that specific thing.

forrgott,

False. Nobody in this thread has made any claim that can be reasonably interpreted as “antisemites don’t exist”.

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

They wouldn’t necessarily be anti-Sino, they’d just be wrong, which would be pretty embarrassing at this point, given that they’re seeing an actual genocide now.

The Cold War had only a brief pause before the pivot to Asia. The US tried to foment unrest in China by funding and organizing terrorist cells in Xinjiang, and when those efforts failed it concocted and promoted a genocide narrative. Antony Blinken is still pushing this slop, just last week.

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

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