‘Full fascist’ Trump condemned after ‘treason’ rant against NBC and MSNBC

Donald Trump said Comcast, the owner of NBC and MSNBC, “should be investigated for its ‘Country Threatening Treason’” and promised to do so should he be re-elected president next year.

In response, one progressive group said the former US president and current overwhelming frontrunner in the Republican 2024 presidential nomination race had “gone full fascist”.

The Biden White House said Trump threatened “an outrageous attack on our democracy and the rule of law”.

The US media was “almost all dishonest and corrupt”, Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform on Sunday, “but Comcast, with its one-side and vicious coverage by NBC News, and in particular MSNBC … should be investigated for its ‘Country Threatening Treason’.”

Listing familiar complaints about coverage of his presidency – during which he regularly threatened NBC, MSNBC and Comcast – Trump added: “I say up front, openly, and proudly, that when I win the presidency of the United States, they and others of the lamestream media will be thoroughly scrutinized for their knowingly dishonest and corrupt coverage of people, things, and events.”

Trump also used familiar terms of abuse for the press: “the enemy of the people” and “the fake news media”.

Observers reacted to Trump’s threat to NBC, MSNBC and Comcast with a mixture of familiarity and alarm.

In a statement, Andrew Bates, White House deputy press secretary, said: “President Biden swore an oath to uphold our constitution and protect American democracy. Freedom of the press is a fundamental constitutional right.

“To abuse presidential power and violate the constitutional rights of reporters would be an outrageous attack on our democracy and the rule of law. Presidents must always defend Americans’ freedoms – never trample on them for selfish, small and dangerous political purposes.”

Elsewhere, Paul Farhi, media reporter for the Washington Post, pointed to Trump’s symbiotic relationship with outlets he professes to hate, given that only last week Trump was “the featured interview guest last week on Meet the Press, the signature Sunday morning news program on … NBC”.

Others noted that on Monday night, the former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, a key witness for the House committee that investigated the January 6 attack on Congress, which Trump incited, was due to be interviewed on MSNBC.

“Female political or media antagonists really cause blood to come pouring out of Trump’s eyes,” wrote Howard Fineman, a columnist and commentator.

Sounding a louder alarm, Occupy Democrats, a progressive advocacy group, said Trump had gone “full fascist” with an “unhinged Sunday-night rant”.

“There you have it, folks,” it said. “While Trump and his Republican enablers love to falsely accuse Democrats of ‘weaponizing’ the government against Trump, Trump himself is now openly threaten[ing] to weaponize the presidency to completely remove entire news channels from the airwaves simply because they expose his rampant criminality.”

Juliette Kayyem, a Kennedy School professor and CNN national security analyst, pointed to a previous warning: “To view each of Trump’s calls to violence in isolation – ‘he attacked Milley’ or ‘he attacked NBC’ or ‘he attacked the jury, the prosecutor, the judge’ – is to miss his overall plan to ‘introduce violence as a natural extension of our democratic disagreement’.”

Trump’s rantings were also coupled with threats to Gen Mark Milley, the chair of the joint chiefs of staff whose attempts to cope with Trump were detailed in an Atlantic profile last week.

They come after a Washington Post poll gave Trump a 10-point lead over Joe Biden, who beat him in 2020, in a notional 2024 general election matchup.

The Post said the poll was an “outlier” but Trump dominates the Republican nomination race and generally polls close to Biden despite facing 91 criminal charges – for election subversion, retention of classified information and hush-money payments – and civil threats including a defamation trial arising from an allegation of rape a judge said was “substantially true”.

Another new poll, from NBC, showed Trump and Biden tied at 46% but Trump up 39%-36% if a third-party candidate was added. A “person familiar with White House discussions” about the prospect of a candidacy from No Labels, a centrist group, said it was “concerning”, NBC said. Biden, the report added, was “worried”.

Nougat, (edited )

Fascism has been clearly on the rise in the United States for a decade, if not longer. It's been undeniably here for years. It's been seeping into the Supreme Court for years. It's had a solid foothold in Congress for months.

There have yet to be any real consequences for the leaders of fascism in the United States. Some foot soldiers have been charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced; there are many more ready to fill that vacuum and continue the dirty work. They are being actively recruited by the same people who organized the Jan 6 insurrection.

Its leader, who is out on bail pending four trials, totalling ninety-one charges, many of which are in relation to an attempted fascist coup. He continues to marshall his followers through stochastic terrorism every day, openly threatening people and institutions which comprise the very foundations of our democracy. This man remains far and away the presumptive nominee for the office of President for the Republican party, and very many of his "challengers" for that nomination are cut from the same fascist cloth.

The fascist coup is not over. Jan 6 was the right wing's Beer Hall Putsch. Right wing militias are the Sturmabteilung (SA). We know what happens next. This does not get better before it gets a lot worse.

At this point, it's going to get worse no matter how these fascists are dealt with. The only question is how much worse? If real, binding, and impactful consequences are put in place promptly against all these fascists, including and especially their leaders, there will still be violence. Kicking that can down the road and trying to avoid conflict is only going to make the ultimate conflict worse.

Judge Chutkan, Judge McAfee: if by some miracle this comment gains your attention, you must know that you two people are in the only position right now to start the prompt application of those consequences. The repercussions of doing so will be violence. This nation can and will recover from that. The repercussions of not doing so promptly will be absolutely dire, and change the trajectory of world history for the worse, severely, and for a very long time.

Judge Chutkan, Judge McAfee: Do the right thing, and do it for the safety and security of the entire world.

nutandcross,

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  • Nougat,

    We must live up to the example of our direct forbears and recognize the moments when we can make an opportune impression and reassert our rightful authority via Integrity–a strength before strength–against the perceived strength of fascism–whatever that means for you.

    My own "'F' for fear" is that "We" does not include either enough people, or the right people (because some people, depending on the circumstances, have more power to effect change than others), to wield just power with Integrity in a timely fashion. Hence my lonely plea to the two Judges who are presently those "right people" whose actions or inactions now - whether anyone likes it or not - are having a pivotal impact on the course of human history.

    captainlezbian,

    I really appreciate this comment. You’re absolutely right, crushing fascism is going to fucking suck. They will make life worse for us. In the aftermath people like me that they’ve been targeting are going to face a hell of a lot more violence in an attempt to force you to stop. Stopping will be the worst decision. Conservatives have been treated with kiddie gloves for a long time and now the fascists are crying persecution when they get the mildest pushback. Keep going. Root it out.

    If you let them continue you may not be next, but you’re on the list. If you want to understand their goals look at the White Terror in Spain under Franco. Franco didn’t make Spain glorious or powerful again but he soaked the soil of his nation in the blood of countless people.

    If you swore an oath to this nation, it’s people, democracy, maybe you thought of it as words or intentions or having reasonable boundaries. I sympathize there, but it didn’t. Good leadership sometimes risks your life.

    Nougat,

    ... people like me that they’ve been targeting ...

    If you let them continue you may not be next, but you’re on the list.

    Nailed it. Just like First They Came. Anyone who opposes fascism will be its target, it's just a matter of when, and in what order.

    bogo,

    Condemned by who? The same people who have condemned him in the past? Cool cool.

    PrincessLeiasCat, (edited )

    Another new poll, from NBC, showed Trump and Biden tied at 46% but Trump up 39%-36% if a third-party candidate was added. A “person familiar with White House discussions” about the prospect of a candidacy from No Labels, a centrist group, said it was “concerning”, NBC said. Biden, the report added, was “worried”.

    That is very concerning. Almost anyone could enter the race as a 3rd party candidate with the intention of tipping things in favor of Trump.

    wlh0242,

    Gas was $1.80 under Trump…it’s $5.50 under Biden…I’m still waiting for something to be “Built Back Better” rofl.

    Nougat,

    Go home, Russian propaganda.

    wlh0242,

    Is that all you can come up with? The old Russia Propaganda bs? I think you people have warn that one out just a bit lol.

    Nougat,

    If the nesting doll fits.

    AbidanYre, (edited )

    You mean in 2020 when there was zero demand for gas because no one was leaving their house?

    Also, according to AAA there are two states with premium at >$5.50 and only six that are even >$5.00 so I think you might be full of it.

    wlh0242,

    So you’re confirming that gas is at $5.50 which is 60% higher than when Trump was in office? Thanks for the confirmation.

    AbidanYre, (edited )

    If you can show me an article saying premium in California was $1.80, sure. But that’s not what the nationwide average is talking about and I think even you know that.

    We could also look at what was going on in the rest of the economy at the time, but something tells me you don’t really want to.

    Lucidlethargy,

    What idiot convinced you that gas prices are directly controlled by the president?

    wlh0242,

    These two??? “Karine Jean-Pierre was asked Tuesday if President Joe Biden was responsible for gas prices going back up - after taking credit for them going down this summer” nypost.com/…/joe-biden-mocked-for-tweet-taking-cr…

    collegefurtrader,

    Donny

    Drusas,

    Gas hasn't been that cheap since I was in high school 20 years ago. And even if it had been, the president does not control gas prices.

    wlh0242,

    enjoy… npr.org/…/average-gas-prices-are-below-2-a-few-st…

    Yes, under Trump the US was energy independent… a President’s policies have an indirect impact on oil prices…come on keep up.

    realcaseyrollins, (edited )

    I'm no Trump alarmist, but the quote itself is pretty bad, depending on what exactly he means:

    they and others of the lamestream media will be thoroughly scrutinized for their knowingly dishonest and corrupt coverage of people, things, and events

    That said, I have my doubts that he'll actually follow through on this. He made similar claims in 2016, saying he'd "open up the libel laws" and use them to go after the media or something, but nothing ever came of that either.

    homesweethomeMrL,

    That photo . . . He seems to have gone a little overboard with the orange makeup.

    realcaseyrollins,

    It was probably edited to make him look more orange

    Syldon,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    So his first amendment right is to call for the murder of the top military, disparage election processes and their employees, intimidate witnesses that are part of an investigation against him as well as the judiciaries in charge of that process. But no one in anyway shape or form are allowed to call him out on this.

    realcaseyrollins,

    call for the murder of the top military

    When did he do this?

    Syldon,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar
    PowerCrazy,

    Sure they are allowed to. But they don’t.

    floofloof,

    They come after a Washington Post poll gave Trump a 10-point lead over Joe Biden, who beat him in 2020, in a notional 2024 general election matchup.

    And yet somehow this idea of government by a fascist dictator seems to really appeal to a lot of people. It’s hard to understand why people find this so attractive. I guess it’s selfishness and the mistaken notion that he would work for their interests.

    Uranium3006,
    Uranium3006 avatar

    that wapo poll has to be an outlier, like how the fuck is trump 10% more popular than he was when he lost to biden, and after 1/6?

    NovaPrime,
    @NovaPrime@lemmy.ml avatar

    Same way he gained votes after 4 years of the shit show that was his Presidency

    PowerCrazy,

    I mean have you seen the other guys?

    crusa187,

    All Biden has to do is drop out of the race. Literally any other dem would trounce this criminal clown. Unfortunately since Biden is the best guarantee of not upsetting the status quo, it won’t happen, and the monied interests risk losing democracy to a fascist dictator in order to possibly save a few tax dollars.

    Syldon,
    @Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

    I kind of agree with this one. However, I feel that boat is sailing as any new candidate will have to build up credibility.

    agent_flounder,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.one avatar

    Unfortunately, fascism isn’t bad for business, possibly even the opposite. So those monied interests care a lot less than us peons.

    Jaysyn, (edited )
    Jaysyn avatar

    Two words: "Red Wave".

    Political polls have measurably been garbage since 2016 & for some reason always in favor of the .

    The has lost something like 13 of their last 15 special elections, and in places they aren't supposed to lose elections at all.

    I think it's either gaslighting or manufacturing consent & it's been going on for years now. Either polling methods can't adjust to reality or they are purposefully gaming the respondents.

    CodingSquirrel,

    This rolls in nicely with your point, but how do you even poll gen z or millennials? The younger generations don't pick up the phone anymore, we don't respond to random emails, we certainly don't respond to snail mail, we mostly don't own houses and those that do likely won't go talk to people at the door. Maybe they've got ways to deal with that properly, but I think many of the main polling methods don't really work for younger people who are a growing voter pool. Mostly due to unending ads and scams that are pushed on us.

    Nougat,

    Maybe they've got ways to deal with that properly, ...

    They do have ways to deal with that, but the elephant in the room is that you can't weight your poll results to take into account people who didn't respond to the poll (whether that is because they refused or are otherwise not reachable via your contact methods).

    The only poll that matters is the one where you go cast your ballot.

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