Eheran,

They are tied? Are you fucking kidding me USA?

AlwaysNowNeverNotMe,
AlwaysNowNeverNotMe avatar

The overlap between sane voters and poll voters isn't very big.

teraflopsweat,

As an American… expect it to continue getting worse. There are so many batshit stupid people in this country. It’s depressing.

selokichtli,

Not only the preferences, the very same electoral system is a damn joke.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

"Sorry, 10,000 people in some town in Michigan/Pennsylvania/Georgia decided we're fascist now."

Asafum,

"Sorry, billionaires, foreign countries governments, grifting assholes and Facebook Karens brainwashed 10,000 people in some town in Michigan/Pennsylvania/Georgia into believing that all Democrats are pedophiles and trans people are the downfall of society so they decided we’re fascist now.”

This timeline is disgusting. :/

Sunforged,

When the average person is being told by Biden that the economy is doing great but don’t see it in housing/food/gas prices where all their money goes, you can bet people will swing back to the lunacy of the right. When you only have two options and are desperate for change what option do people feel they have?

We desperately need third party options.

kaiomai,

We should go after the corporations who are just plain taking advantage of people. It is sickening.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

If Biden had responded to inflation with price controls these polls would be the other way around

MacGuffin94,

Democrats tried but the bills never got out of committee. Especially when had hit $5 a gallon nation wide.

Sunforged,

Tried? No. A few paid lip service. If the democratic party wanted something done they would get it done.

mrpants,

It is so embarrassing how few people understand how our system of government works. The President is not a king.

Sunforged,

Not a king. But the bully pulpit has considerable power to shape public discourse.

All I have seen from the administration is explaining how Bidenomics are a huge success, and look at these amazing numbers on a graph that don’t represent working class struggles. It’s a waste of breath when they could be pushing for policies that would make material change for working class people.

He sure as shit used the bully pulpit to explain why breaking up the railway strike was “in our best interests”.

Kid_Thunder,

20.58% of the US population are baby boomers as of 2022. Source March 2023.
Alternatively, 17% of the US population is over 65. Source July 2022.
Though those aged 50+ are about evenly split between Republican and Democrat Leaning, which was surprising to me. Source.
38.6% of the US population are southerners as of 2022. Source.
Obviously, the above are not additive but other than Georgia, southern states are red for the last Presidential election in 2020. Source.

Republican leaning and Democrat leaning about the same at 44% vs. 45% respectively. Interestingly, both parties are the same at 28% of the sampling with 41% identifying as Independant as of 2022. Source.

The source for thehill's article is from a CBS News poll which may or may not have an even demographic sampling of the US population. However, the above stats do suggest that it is probably accurate enough.

What's really important is what percentage of these samplings actually bother to vote. Only 49.1% of 18 - 24 year olds in the US are registered to vote, 62.7% for 25 - 24 year olds...increasing with age groups until 75 or older, where there is a slight drop to 76.6%. Source 2022. However, there was only a 62.8% turn-out rate during 2022 and was considered a 'surge'. Source 2022.

I really don't want to deep dive in available statistics to start figuring out analytics and predictions. I don't do this for a living and I am willing to devote no more than 30 minutes to all of this. And unfortunately, the statistics really didn't show what I'd expect, which was going to probably be that we can just blame the Boomers. It shows a pretty even split amongst the population. Though the trend seems to be that the older you are, the more likely you are to be registered to vote but not necessarily actually vote in the US.

Eheran,

Thank you mate!

DigitalTraveler42,

Most of these polls operate by calling people, most people Gen X and younger don’t pick up their phones for unknown callers, so it’s mostly old people being polled, plus the polls from conservative pollers purposely target conservative areas knowing that it will skew the polls how they intend for the polls to lean.

The last few elections should show that people are still overwhelmingly voting Democrat, but things are still far closer than they should be so we all gotta get out there and vote like our freedom from fascism depends on it, because it absolutely does.

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

“[…] no president has ever run for reelection with a record of accomplishment that is as popular as the one President Biden will be running on over the next year”

Alternative facts.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Enabling a genocide is an accomplishment

btaf45,

It's not Biden's fault that you haven't been paying attention to his accomplishments. Biden's accomplishments are greater than that of Obama, Clinton, Carter, and obviously every GOP president and Convicted Rapist Treason Trump

btaf45,

[“In recent days, the New York Times/Siena College poll has gotten non-stop attention to the exclusion of nearly every other poll. But if you zoom out, you’ll see a more complete picture. There have been eight polls in the past three weeks showing President Biden leading or tied with Donald Trump,” Tyler said.]

gruf,
@gruf@lemmy.ml avatar

i can understand harm reduction in picking your vote, but that should totally go out the window after the genocide Biden actively endorsed and enabled. and i’m saying this as a trans person, someone that stands to lose out fairly substantially if republicans gains power.

if your “harm reduction” is voting for a genocide endorser then something is clearly wrong, and you need steer the fuck away from the polls and into some direct action (if you’re not already).

toomanyjoints69,

Voting for a third party is basically the only way an average person has to influence policy. If the Republicans lose because half of them voted for JFK JR, then both parties are going to become more concerned about the aliens in the water

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

No self respecting Arab or Muslim should vote for him after he facilitated -still ongoing- the massacre of children in Palestine

tiredofsametab,

Ah yes, because the alternative, a racist guy who does Muslim bans, is going to be so much better. In the first-past-the-post, electoral college US, that's all you're going to get.

Xtallll,
@Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

He’s been supporting Israel, but realistically every president will. What he hasn’t done is stoke anti Muslim hate crimes.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

He actually did. A Palestinian child was murdered because Biden spread a lie about beheaded Israeli children

artaxthehappyhorse,
@artaxthehappyhorse@lemmy.ml avatar

Then you better start finding common ground with swing-obama-trump voters and find some non-israel things to compromise on, bc if far-lefties all stop voting or vote 3rd and all the non-lefties still show up to vote Republican, you just lose more ground to fascists.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

What’s more fascist than supporting the murder of over 4000 children?

Arthur_Leywin,

If you’re telling people to not vote for Biden, you’re basically endorsing Republicans. Do you think they’ll be any better?

TylerDurdenJunior,

found the enlightened centrist

Arthur_Leywin,

How did you arrive to that conclusion?

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

No it is not an endorsement of Trump anymore than it is an endorsement of West or any other candidate. It is holding a president that enabled the worst Palestinian genocide since 1948 accountable. More bombs in a month than all of 2019 on Afghanistan. More children killed in a month than 18 months of Russian war on Ukraine. More journalists dead in a month than in any other conflict or any other year. People should still vote down ballot for any sane progressives. The Democratic Party can still primary someone younger and with no blood on their hands.

Republicans won’t be better, but at least I know the liberals will not rationalize a genocide when it is a a Republican president. And nothing they can do domestically will ever come close in severity and inhumanity as the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

Arthur_Leywin,

If Biden doesn’t win, then the Republicans will. It’s as simple as that.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Maybe he shouldn’t have enabled a genocide. We tried Trump before and he didn’t kill over 4000 children

Arthur_Leywin,

Biden didn’t either…

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Now you are just lying. If you are going to engage in genocide denial then don’t expect Arabs/Muslims to vote for your genocidal candidate.

ccrjustice.org/…/rights-lawyers-release-legal-ana…

commondreams.org/…/us-complicit-israeli-genocide-…

reuters.com/…/reuters-next-arabs-see-us-complicit…

theintercept.com/…/israel-gaza-biden-genocide-war…

I don’t know how you can justify a genocide. But I am sure a huge part of it is dehumanizing Arabs/Muslims, which is why I must ask, why do you care who we vote for if you don’t care if we die?

btaf45,

Allying yourself with the Nazis is not going to "help Palestianans". Nazis have already dehumanized Arabs/Muslims to the maximum extent possible. Bush (R) is the president who gave Gaza to Hamas, not Biden. Without Biden there would be no aid trucks going into Gaza. Without Biden there would be no humanitarian pauses. If it is true that "arabs see US as complicit in Israel's Gaza war", then it is up to yourself to help them see the actual truth and not the lies.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m reading “Nazis” and I am understanding it as neocons and neolibs. It does fit both. Clinton after all killed 500,000 Iraqi children

youtu.be/KP1OAD9jSaI

btaf45,

I’m reading “Nazis” and I am understanding it as neocons and neolibs

Than you don't understand Nazis. There is no such things as neolibs and neocons.

Clinton after all killed 500,000 Iraqi children

You'll have to do better than a youtube link. I don't watch that trash. Iran killed 500,000 children. And Iraq under Saddaam killed 500,000 children. Saddaam isn't killing Iraqi children any more. Your welcome.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

If it is true that “arabs see US as complicit in Israel’s Gaza war”, then it is up to yourself to help them see the actual truth and not the lies.

The US is complicit from vetoing the UN ceasefire to arming and bankrolling Israel’s genocide. I am sure deep down you are a good person except misled. The truth is as Arabs and the rest of the world see it. If you don’t care about Palestinians lives -which is apparent- you should at least care about the US’s image.

Here are some key quotes from a Financial Times article titled “Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine”

“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

Many developing countries have traditionally supported the Palestinian cause, seeing it through the prism of self-determination and a push against the global dominance of the US, Israel’s most important backer.

“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”

Since last Sunday, many of those officials told the Financial Times they have had the same argument read back at them in demands for condemnation of Israel’s retaliatory assault on Gaza, and of its decision to restrict water, electricity and gas supplies there.

“I mean, let’s be frank. This is a gift from heaven for Russia,” said a senior EU official. “I think it’s damaging what’s happening . . . because Russia is exploiting the crisis and saying, ‘Look, the global order that has been built after the second world war is not working for you,’ and addressing 1bn inhabitants in the Middle East or in the Arab world.”

“What New Delhi, Jakarta and Brasília want to see is a common position on these issues, and consistency. And if they don’t see that . . . then on the major global issues there’s a certain danger EU, G7, Nato will not be taken seriously,” said Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, former Nato secretary-general.

“We, the west, do not call the shots any more, and the Global South says: ‘Please, we have a voice as well which you have neglected for some time,’” added de Hoop Scheffer, now chair of the Clingendael Institute, a Dutch think-tank.

Archived link to article: archive.ph/ctAhD

In 2004 I couldn’t wait to vote for John Kerry on the hopes he will put an end to the Bush’s war on terror. In 2008 and 2012 I watched Obama promise and underdeliver, specially on the never-ending wars. In 2016 I voted for Clinton because Trump was apparently worse. In 2020 I voted for Biden despite knowing he is a Zionist and warmonger because I hoped he was still a decent person that acknowledges basic facts like climate change and maybe the progressives can push him to the left. I have now learned I have been scammed and fearmongered into voting Democratic, only to get a massive genocide.

The carnage in Gaza exceeds anything I witnessed my whole life in terms of scale. The number of children dead exceeds anything I saw my whole life. You may be kept in the dark about what’s going on in Palestine and so I encourage you to get informed.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/95d11bcd-b3bb-4fdb-a06b-34c4badf06f3.jpeghttps://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/fde4ffa7-3e34-4e04-9fad-67f2acc2297f.png

btaf45,

The US is complicit from vetoing the UN ceasefire

Hamas still had hundreds of hostages. Why the heck would we want a ceasefire until Hamas is gone? All the civilians of Gaza are the chief victims of Hamas. So if you don't want Hamas gone than it sounds like YOU are anti-Palestianian.

If you don’t care about Palestinians lives -which is apparent

Gaza has lots of Christians and lots of people who are my ethnic group. So I am supposed to care about them more than any other country? I care about all lives. You caring only about people of 1 specific religion and 1 specific ethnic group sounds completely idiotic to me.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

The US is complicit in the genocide. You genocide-denying liberal! youtu.be/rrUh9UOZzqo

Did you miss everything Biden said and did? Did you miss his unconditional support to Israel? Did you miss when he spread fake news about raped women and beheaded children? aljazeera.com/…/white-house-walks-back-bidens-cla…

Or his continued opposition to a ceasefire as voted on by the UN news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142507

thehill.com/homenews/administration/…/amp/

Did you miss when he opposed -still does- the ceasefire and called it repugnant? mondoweiss.net/…/the-shift-white-house-press-secr…

Biden has blood on his hands and by his sheer hypocrisy and dehumanization of Palestinians he is also harming Ukrainians. You can’t have two different standards for Palestinians and Ukrainians

ft.com/…/e0b43918-7eaf-4a11-baaf-d6d7fb61a8a5

Israel has been far more brutal than Russia and Biden sends them more weapons to murder children with

Not only do Democrats deserve to lose -unless they nominate someone else- but the US deserves to be humiliated on the world stage for its hypocrisy and double standards

Israel is committing war crimes that makes Russia look like a saint, and Biden is bankrolling the murder of children in Gaza. https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/6322148c-5a79-4bd6-b9a7-55fa1870de09.png

Arthur_Leywin,

Ok don’t vote for Biden. Where’s your vote going to?

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

it won’t matter as long as Biden loses. Biden can’t kill 10,000 of us and then expect our vote

Arthur_Leywin,

So you’re ok with Trump or worse from the Republican side?

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

What’s worse than a genocide? At least if it were Trump you would be against it instead of denying it.

Arthur_Leywin,

You’re a lost cause. You’re fixation on Biden’s poor handling of this situation shows you don’t give a shit. It’s Netanyahu’s genocide and this would have happened with or without the US’s condemnation.

If you’re a Republican then you were ret@rded from the start. If you’re a leftist then you’re also stupid for thinking Trump would be better in this situation.

Genocide is bad, so is fascism (The Republican party).

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

The Democratic Party can do better than Biden

btaf45,

No Democrat would have done better than Biden. And certainly no Republican. You can do better than allying yourself with the Nazis who routinely use the word "terrorist" as a synonym for "Muslim".

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

True. Liberals have exposed themselves to be hateful at least when it comes to Arabs and Muslims. I hope Arab and Muslim Americans are paying attention. They have been playing us as pawns to win their elections.

btaf45,

If you don't have respect for people of every religion and every ethnic group than what are you doing in America? You are no better than Christians/White Nationalists.

btaf45,

He didn’t facilitate anything. Muslim Egypt could have allowed all civilians to leave Gaza but they didn’t. Muslim Turkey could have evacuated Palestine’s civilians by sea but they didn’t. Muslim Gazans could have overthrown Hamas but they didn’t. The main victims of Hamas are Muslim Palestinians. Only a fool would live anywhere that is controlled by Hamas.

And did you not know that there are plenty of Christians and non Arabs in Palestine too? No self respecting human being cares care only about 1 particular religion or 1 particular ethnic group. Do you know how ridiculous it is that Jews and Muslim are fighting each other because they have different imaginary friends? It will keep on happening forever until you rise above religion and value all of humanity.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

He didn’t facilitate anything.

Who are you lying to? Did you miss when the US vetoed the UN ceasefire and when the White House called it repugnant? news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142507

Muslim Egypt could have allowed all civilians to leave Gaza but they didn’t. Muslim Turkey could have evacuated Palestine’s civilians by sea but they didn’t.

Why? Palestinians are from Palestine. Why should Egypt or Turkey facilitate Israel’s ethnic cleansing of Palestinians? FYI Egypt is a secular state and 10% are Christian.

Muslim Gazans could have overthrown Hamas but they didn’t.

Do you think people in the US should be punished for whoever wins the elections? Should people in the US overthrow their government if it does something awful like bankroll a genocide? 50% of Gazans are children, they can’t overthrow anyone. FYI: resistance to occupation and apartheid is both legal by international laws and moral.

And did you not know that there are plenty of Christians and non Arabs in Palestine too?

Yes I know. Justin Amish Palestinian American Christian had relatives of him murdered by Israel who were sheltering in a church in Gaza. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/…/ar-AA1iCrpk

No self respecting human being cares care only about 1 particular religion or 1 particular ethnic group.

I agreed. Maybe you should learn to care about Palestinians.

Do you know how ridiculous it is that Jews and Muslim are fighting each other because they have different imaginary friends? It will keep on happening forever until you rise above religion and value all of humanity.

It is not a religious war. David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister) phrased it well: “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121. [emphasis mine]

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