This is what happens when you don’t bring the fucking hammer down on violent authoritarian fascists. Who has to die to make it clear that this sack of shit needs to be bound and gagged while his trial proceeds?
Garland would have to care and treats him and other Republicans with kid gloves. The kid whom leaked documents was insta-prison. Yet Trump sold out the entire country and the DOJ is Zz z.
I’m not defending him, but it much more complicated with a former president and presidential candidate than it is for others. There shouldn’t be two systems, but realistically one could result in civil war and the other is little more than a couple of extra clicks on a website for most people.
My god, if some liberals had their way, rushed this, we’d lose this one. And this is a fight America cannot afford to lose.
I don’t want to sound like a drama queen, but I see the signs of PTSD in myself after the pandemic and 01/06. Let’s just say I have plenty of life experience, 52-years of an, uh, adventurous life, that maybe should have put a touch of PTSD on me. But those two things permanently fucked my skull.
I’ve waited for justice this long, I can wait some more. The scariest proposition is that he wins the White House and attempts to pardon himself. That would be a constitutional crisis the likes of which I’ve never seen. And people thought Watergate was such a crisis…
Playing devils advocate here, Trump has a history of wriggling out of what looked like slam dunk cases against him, and being an ex-president comes with truck loads of political baggage, so the DOJ might just be playing things extra-careful. It would make sense for them to double and triple check everything, dot all their i’s and cross all their t’s, and make sure everything is as utterly airtight as they can make it. The real danger is that they don’t go so slow that the whole thing becomes moot because they took so long that Trump managed to make himself dictator in chief.
But at the very least Biden’s job is to defend against terrorists and trump is a KNOWN national security threat who should have been immediately arrested and court-martialed already. Fuck these pissy little lower district courts; they’ll never do anything.
It would make sense for them to double and triple check everything, dot all their i’s and cross all their t’s, and make sure everything is as utterly airtight as they can make it.
absolutely. and he got impeached twice, so he’s been playing safe.
The president also is ultimately the head of the “Departments” to include the Dept of Defense. All of the clearances and document classifications exist via presidential authority, so there are some genuine questions as to if a President can snap his fingers and change a classification, and how those rules interact with other laws about unauthorized disclosures. Which is also why Trump getting elected was such a coup for the Russians, as was a strongly Republican Supreme Court (who could bail him out if/when it gets to SCOTUS).
Exactly. Imagine how the intelligence community would have to treat classified information if it could be declassified purely by a President waking up and thinking “it’s declassified.” Nobody would know what is still classified and what isn’t. Classified information might get leaked out because of a rumor that the President declassified something. Declassified information might still be treated as classified by some because nobody knows what is and what isn’t classified.
There’s a process for a reason. Trump suggesting he can just “think” it declassified is totally ridiculous.
Yeah Snowden is still hiding out in countries that don’t extradite to us. Manning is free, but it’s pretty clear that her time in prison had serious lasting damage to her mind. Both of them had good reasons to leak and did their best to minimize unnecessary damage. Meanwhile this chucklefuck is campaigning and threatening.
If democracy dies it will be because we punished those who broke the rules to strengthen it and defended those who broke the rules to destroy it.
Well, wouldn’t language have to concede that if I asked how many presidents there have been, I would be asking a different question than how many presidencies there have been?
That’s not a problem. Anyone can campaign at any time. That’s totally legal and fine.
What’s absolutely absurd is the level of support he still gets from Republicans! He owns them.
If some former Democrat president did this stuff the support from Democrats for that person would be near zero. No one would consider such a candidacy even remotely within the realm of possibility.
Republicans just don’t give a shit about corruption. Some will see this statement and say, “no, they care about it when it’s not one of their people” but that’s 100% the same thing. Corruption is all about picking winners and losers based on what your side thinks of them.
I’m curious what percentage of republicans actually support him vs what percentage only pretends to support him under duress because of violent threats from the crazies.
It’s tribalism. I went to a racetrack last weekend. These people wave Trump flags and wear profane Brandon shirts to fit in with each other. The madder you are, the “smarter” you are. Another Lemming recently said, the founding father’s failed to anticipate that voters would fail at their job, and he’s 1 million percent dead on.
They anticipated it. That, and classism, are why they instituted The Electoral College. They didn’t have access to the mathematical theories that proved that FPTP elections are always going to cause a two party system, and the people will inevitably lose to the owners. That may have influenced them to consider RCV, or some other voting methods.
He’s allowed to campaign from prison if convicted, too. Eugene Debs did it, after all. Logistically, I’m not sure how it’d work with a former president. If he’s ever locked up, it’s going to have to be in a supermax, for his own safety. The Unabomber’s old cell in ADX Florence will be the perfect fit for the needs of a former president and fellow Ivy League graduate! But at any rate, there’s no law stopping him from campaigning by mail.
Remember when politicians at the peaks of their careers resigned over a foot in their mouth, a mispronunciation (or spelling potatoe), being exposed for being a dick?
Mf is giving handjobs in front of kids talking about trans pedophiles and she’s not even reprimanded.
White people with bags of money have to be inconvenienced or die before anyone with power will/can do something about it. Same with climate change. Until the ruling class is directly affected they will do everything in their power to retain it.
Not who…rather what? It seems like it is our democracy is the one that has to die simply because we aren’t willing to absolutely hammer home the point that these fascist fucks are not welcome. Every last one of those J6 people should have been executed in public.
Its crazy how much leeway he is getting. Back during the Bush years a guy in my town had a hang bush sign on a cardboard cutout of him hanging from a tree. The dude was arrested and held for "terrorist threats." The same was not true of similar threats made toward Obama. This was in liberal western Washington. The fascists have always gotten handled with kid gloves in this country and it seriously needs to be addressed if we have any hope of coming out the other side.
I don't, it was back in like 2002-3 and the local paper doesn't have their archives up anymore. He ended up having the charges dropped, but months later.
Not that I Don’t agree with you and this orange fuck just should not be allowed to be on any form of media or government, Kathy Griffin did some tasteless stuff on Twitter about beheading Trump and wasn’t arrested. It was tasteless but literally everything trump does is classless and tasteless.
I still vividly remember watching the Chairman of The Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Miley personally escorting Donald Trump through peaceful protesters being beaten and gassed to a Church Trump had never been to, to hold up a bible Trump had never read. Don't try selling me Mark fucking Miley, that fucking fascist enabler can go straight to hell.
Inform yourself and you might realize Milley was one of the only people keeping us from going completely off the rails. Trump fooled him once and not again.
From everything reported about the absolute dumpster fire that the Trump white house was, it actually could have been a lot worse. There were a ton of people that spent basically their entire time reigning Trump in, like the aids that would bury things at the bottom of Trumps piles of desk papers because they knew he would get tired and lose interest before he got to them. There were plenty of people that went along with and helped Trump along, but even among them there were some that tried to keep Trump in check because they knew that left to his own devices things would be much worse, and it’s hard to find profit when everything is a smoking crater covered in ash. While there weren’t many true innocents left at the end of Trumps term in office, not everyone was as bad as Trump was. Many of them were the usual run of the mill corruption that’s the norm in politics, instead of the particularly corrosive authoritarian flavor that Trump brought with him.
never thought i'd see someone ignore a problem with trump because it involves someone that had worked for the government during the trump administration. if that was your best example, something he may not even had realized was fully going on at the time, than wow. sure, let trump get away with something because you hate trump. the damn logical inconsistency is astounding. you hate him so much (which is fine, i think he's terrible too and should be in jail) that you've wrapped around and are now accidentally and implicitly defending him. its like you had a buffer overflow error.
He does raise a good point though. Milley is less innocent bystander than just the latest Trump enabler that Trump has decided to sacrifice for no doubt failing some kind of perceived loyalty test. It’s not logically inconsistent that they both suck, and it’s probably worth reminding people that just because he’s being attacked by Trump doesn’t make him a good guy. All that said though, this is very blatantly stochastic terrorism on Trumps part.
I think the argument in this case is that he had a duty to either refuse to clear the protestors who were exercising their rights just to accommodate a last minute whim of Trump, or else a duty to step in when the capital police started using excessive force. That said, it is a somewhat weak argument. Generally though it’s good to be somewhat critical of anyone that was in Trumps orbit at the time because there was a LOT of shady stuff going on at the time and it’s not really clear who was or wasn’t involved in any particular incident. Ultimately I still come back to what I said previously, just because Trump attacks someone, that doesn’t mean they’re a good person.
Not just yer own mate. Seemed the entire world media was fixated daily on it for 4 years. The Biden admin is a Godsend if for nothing else then just to not hear the incessant reporting and infatuation of Trumps Tweets
Maybe Dark Brandon needs to come out to play. If Trump can suggest murdering a Federal Employee, maybe Brandon can suggest taking out a former President.
Late Friday night, the former president of the United States—and a leading candidate to be the next president—insinuated that America’s top general deserves to be put to death.
That extraordinary sentence would be unthinkable in any other rich democracy. But Donald Trump, on his social-media network, Truth Social, wrote that Mark Milley’s phone call to reassure China in the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, was “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH.”
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Trump loves to hide behind the thin veneer of plausible deniability, but he knows exactly what he’s doing. If a mob boss were to say, “In times gone by, people like you would have had their legs broken,” nobody would mistake that for a historical observation. The suggestion is clear, and it comes from a man who has one of America’s loudest megaphones—one that is directed squarely at millions of extremists who are well armed, who insist that the government is illegitimate, and who believe that people like Milley are part of a “deep state” plot against the country.
As much as I hate trump—and I really do—please people actually read the article. He didn’t say he should have been executed, he said used to in ‘times gone by’ he would have. Whether I agree with that or not is one thing, but people are talking like he said “we should kill him!”
Ok only if you promise to read how mob bosses would never actually say anything, they were just saying something completely unrelated and totally unconnected to the discussion.
I don’t understand why others in the oarty act scared of him because he is just a huge fucking pussy and always has been. A worthless failure whose own father disliked him. He has zero friends and has to pay Russian hookers to marry him. Everything he touches turns to shit; he can’t even speak the English language without sounding like he’s reading a kid’s cereal box. What kind of braindead, treasonous, pussy-assed wimps are still supporting this idiot? Why do they actualky want to be associated with feckless losers?
I don’t understand either, and it worries me that someone as patently fake as Trump can dupe 50% of the electorate - what hope when there’s an actual firebrand populist who’s not a lifetime fraud comes along to drag the party further to fascism?
we’re lucky the fascists have trump and desantis in the lead, tbh.
You do realise it’s like saying that Swedes and Germans are the same? Or Spaniards, Italians and the French? Just because they belong to the same family of languages doesn’t mean they have much else in common.
Although I will say it being the same shit in no way gives any of these countries any right or authority to try and conquer any of the others. They aren’t literally the same.
You know, 10 years ago I might have said Ukraine and Russia were the same shit, but would never have meant it in such a way as to undermine either country’s inherent right to self determination, free of belligerent neighbors. I just mean the hookers from each place are the same shit.
It’s easy to understand. Because votes. People just adore and worship him because he will enact revenge and retribution on perceived and targeted enemies who are allegedly making their lives miserable, rather than being exploited by corporate America, making bad life choices, and/or following their nationalist, racist, xenophobic, and misogynistic ideology which distorts reality. You support Trump, you get his knuckle-dragging horde of idiot voters automatically, with little to no effort.
That explains why it stops whenever a good president is in office.
Do you genuinely think all the generals are free of blame? Perhaps that all the orders came fully formed from the forehead of the chief executive and they were just following them?
I am sure that there are many levels of bad info from the CIA along with corporate influence on legislators and advisors, but the JCs cant act unilaterally while- since GWB- the President can.
Are you trying to suggest that the joint chiefs are just blown hither and thither by tragically flawed intelligence and tempted to sin by donations from the corporate arm of the military industrial complex or that presidents before 2001 aren’t responsible for the actions of the us military?
To boil down the relationship between the joint chiefs and the chief executive down to “they follow his orders” is more than a little naive. It’s not a good resource but even Wikipedia has a more nuanced take than that.
Are you trying to say that it’s not the joint chiefs who are responsible for American crimes, but congress?
It certainly is culpable, but I’m surprised to find someone who would say a body of civilian government officials bear more responsibility for war crimes than the military leaders who directly oversee them.
But I’m with you. Congress should be put to death too.
I am aware about the war declaration thing. Every President since then has commanded a “military operation”. This isnt news to anyone, not the least of which are Southeast Asia and Latin America. GWB declared a war unilaterally. The JCs follow orders.
The joint chiefs operate in an advisory role to the executive and are outside the chain of command.
But let’s assume for a second that what you say is true:
If the highest military leaders in the country were following the orders of one person, and those orders came directly from them, would they somehow be innocent of the wholesale slaughter they perpetrated because they were following orders?
So fucking tired of this guy. And the asshat is not even in office. I sure hope this total loser does not “win” again. I’m not sure our country will survive this time.
Idk he got a lot of people’s votes in 2016 for curiosity sake, although I do personally believe that election had interference*. But I guess I don’t personally know anyone who was a fan and changed their mind. I just know ppl who were mild during elections and to varying degrees became more and more indoctrinated. And after elections and especially 1/6 they are a lot less vocal. Lots of his voter base died during the pandemic and a lot of the much more progressive youth became voting age or will be motivated to vote after all that.
In all honesty I’m more concerned with DeSantis atm but maybe I shouldn’t be? Idk as much about him as I do trump and I tend to not follow elections news. He scares me because he is like trump but young and doesn’t look like a melting wax statue (and the republican party cares a lot about looks until it is inconvenient for them.) He has so much more potential to be a constant thorn in our government for decades due to all of this.
** I actually believe the 2020 election was intereferred with too, but in republican favor and they still lost and that’s why it was so unbelievable. That’s my fun personal conspiracy theory, since no one asked.*
Election fraud is reported publicly, so you can look it up. And it happens on both sides, but the last several cycles had started to skew to the right showing that Republicans are more likely to commit the sort of voting fraud that they can catch.
I’ll show you my receipts. For what I admitted is my personal fun theory of conspiracy but since you’re saying the whole both sides thing,. here’s a .gov site that details some of the aspects of interference I believe happened.
I’d love to see your receipts for how or when it happens with democrats? Or did you mean average civilians committing it?
I’m not saying “the whole both sides thing” the way you are obviously reading that. I’m saying that if you look into individual convictions, you will find people on both sides. And I don’t have a source, I’m a ding dong at work. I’m only parroting something I read once a while ago. I’d be happy to abandon this hill. I had no idea I was throwing a gauntlet. I thought I was participating in a conversation.
I guess I’m confused. Firstly, I don’t understand why you’re so adversarial. Did I say something offensive? I was trying to be helpful in supporting your theory. Maybe you could find a pattern out of what we already can confirm, who knows? Second, I didn’t dispute anything you said, and I didn’t make any claims that a tertiary search can’t at least be relatively consistent with. If you search election fraud convictions there are several articles reporting on just that. Heritage has a report out covering the last 20 years. So what did I say that was so erroneous that you think I should have “fact-checked”?
You are confused I think you thought the person you replied to was me lol. That said they have a good point of we should all try to fact check stuff before repeating stuff we heard just to make sure we aren’t contributing to misinformation. (Not at you just generally good advice)
Look man I do apologize because I was not as clear as I should have been and I think that came across a lot more judgemental than the playful tone I was aiming for. I meant since you mentioned both sides when I was only discussing one specific election with foreign government interference I was showing a link to what I meant and like, idk maybe you actually had something or I misunderstood you.
I noticed a lot more antagonizing comments on posts lately though, like everyone is trying to totally pwn someone, so I can understand how some of us may be quicker to expect that motivation. Hope you have a good day
I know a couple of idiots who voted for Trump in 2016 because they thought it was funny, but they have realized they were idiots, admitted they were idiots, and have changed their ways.
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