teft,
@teft@startrek.website avatar

How much you want to bet they’ll still be cool with a conservative business boycotting LGBT supporting businesses?

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

Or someone boycotting Israel

flipht,

Many governmental entities will not contract with companies that "boycott Israel."

This, of course, is poorly defined. And is being litigated in Michigan, I believe.

But the argument from regressive AGs is that boycott is not speech - it's action, and therefore they are permitted to enforce a ban on that action.

Pretty shit tier argument, and one that will probably bite them in the ass if there's any chance of consistency from the supreme court (slim chance.)

The hypocrisy is the point.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

So money is speech and free if it's used for political campaigns, but it's not speech if you choose not to buy from or work for a specific country.

I hate this world.

IHeartBadCode,
IHeartBadCode avatar

Yeah, that's already a thing. New York, California, Florida, Missouri, and Illinois enforced their anti-boycott laws in 2018 against Airbnb when Airbnb said they would remove Israeli listings that were in areas where the land was taken from people. Airbnb stood to be completely forbidden from the largest economic markets in the United States at the behest of the Israeli strategic affairs minister Gilad Erdan.

There's been challenges to these kinds of laws like Arkansas Times LP v. Waldrip, but the State upheld the Legislation and SCOTUS refused to hear the case letting stand Arkansas' ability to force all companies operating within the State to "stand with Israel" or face removal from any State program and anyone whom they did business with removal from State funds. Because that's what happened with the Newspaper. The Newspaper itself had no contracts with the State, but those who advertised might and they would be prohibited from purchasing ad space in the newspaper.

There's Jordahl v. Brnovich where a lawyer was providing legal services in Coconino County, Arizona and was found by Arizona's anti-boycott law with regards to Israel. Eventually appellate courts sided with the lawyer that such a ban on boycott's was against the State's Constitution, but Legislators eventually carved out an exception for legal firms and rendered all further cases moot before it could make it to the Supreme Court of Arizona.

There's Martin v. Wrigley where a filmmaker would not sign a pledge for State film making funding that they would not "boycott Israel" per the State of Georgia's anti-boycott laws. In the US District Court for the Northern District of Georgia, the court ruled that the law was compelled speech. The State then amended the law to not apply to businesses under $100,000 rendering any final challenge moot. And any losses were indemnified as the State of Georgia claimed qualified immunity. In appeals, the Eleventh Circuit in a per curium that was unpublished affirmed the lower court's ruling but did not rule on the full Constitutionality of the law. The Eleventh dropped the case completely in June of 2023.

There's Koontz v. Watson where a Mennonite church boycotted Israel and the State of Kansas required a math teacher who was a member of that church to sign an affidavit that she did not boycott Israel before she could attend a required teaching seminar. That one went really complicated, very long story short, the State carved out an exception in HB 2482 and the court's dismissed the matter as moot. The Teacher was allowed to attend the training.

And I could go on and on and on, because at the State level there are several legal challenges in pretty much every State to the various State laws that prohibit boycotting Israel. So yeah, on this "it's already a thing" pretty much everywhere and we are nowhere near through enough court cases to get some final resolution on these kinds of "you cannot boycott Israel" laws. They're likely going to be around for another ten to twenty years if we just keep chipping away at them via legal challenges.

And that's likely the success that Missouri is trying to get with this law. Get a good solid thirty or so years out of "you cannot boycott conservative values" and seed things into a new generation by force, since allowing people to measure these conservative values by their own accord isn't working. But yeah, if this law passes, it's golden for at least three decades or enough of Missouri's Assembly changes to remove the law.

MotoAsh,

If a legislator tries to pass something so blatantly obviously against the constitution, they should be thrown in jail and barred from ever writing another law again.

Yes, I know that’d put a lot of politicians in jail. Doesn’t that put a smile on your face, too?

PP_BOY_, (edited )
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Missouri is the poorest and least consequential state in America. They have nothing at all to offer the country and have no say in anything that happens outside of their own shitty, unimportant borders. Even if this passes, it won’t matter. What companies are even HQd in Missouri?

SinningStromgald,

I got the impression it was businesses doing business with the state of Missouri not HQ’d there.

FfaerieOxide,
FfaerieOxide avatar

What companies are even HQd in Missouri?

Interestingly enough, Trans States Airlines

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Missouri is the poorest and least consequential state in America.

Mississippi is the poorest state in America. Missouri is #21. Perhaps you've heard the phrase, "thank God for Mississippi?"

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah you’re right. Oh well, fascist states all blur together in my eyes

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Creating misery in Missurah

Zorque,

It'll be a cold day in hell when I recognize Missurah.

Heresy_generator,
Heresy_generator avatar

So, you wouldn't be allowed to avoid doing business with:

a) Directly environmentally destructive companies
b) Gun-related companies
c) Companies that refuse to do anything about their global warming emissions
d) Companies that make racist and/or sexist promotion decisions
e) Medical companies that refuse to provide full reproductive and/or trans care
f) Companies that do business with any of the above

Nice list of priorities. You can boycott a company for trying to fix the environment but not for destroying it. You can boycott a company for trying to prevent gun violence but not for promoting it. You can boycott a company for trying to help fight against global warming but not for contributing to it. You can boycott a company for fighting against racism and sexism but not for enforcing it. You can boycott a company for providing reproductive or trans care but not for refusing to.

n1ckn4m3,
n1ckn4m3 avatar

Wait, you're telling me that this is a one-sided law made in bad faith to illegalize behavior that's 100% constitutionally protected but that negatively impacts the conservative right while still allowing actions that negatively impact the left? Say it ain't so.

athos77,

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Frank Wilhoit

Burn_The_Right,

Conservatism is not a protected class. It is perfectly legal to discriminate against someone based on their political orientation.

We have a moral duty to not engage in business with bigots, misogynists, homophobes, transphobes, xenophobes, antisemites and racists. Conservatism should be openly excluded from polite society without fear. It is the moral thing to do.

CitizenKong,

It’s the paradox of tolerance. To safeguard a tolerant society, you have to be intolerant when it comes to the intolerant.

twelvefloatinghands,

The social contract of tolerance

osarusan,
osarusan avatar

Something something sincerely held beliefs.

dtjones, (edited )

A lot of people in the comments are saying how this won’t hold up or how unconstitutional it is but 35 fucking states have already passed anti-bds (boycotts, divestment*, and sanctions) laws that do the same thing as this bill but Israel. If the politicians are sufficiently bribed enough, they won’t care what the laws actually are.

Rice_Daddy,

The article also points out that the eighth circuit has already ruled on a case challenging a similar law, that the law is constitutional.

lolcatnip,

That just means 35 states have passed unconstitutional laws about Israel.

federatingIsTooHard,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

boycott, divest, and sanction

dtjones,

Thanks for the catch, I edited the comment.

RizzRustbolt,

Thanks a lot, Supreme Court.

You’ve made the christians into a protected class.

BigMacHole,

That’s called SMALL GOVERNMENT!

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

What’s the outrage here, that a State Government can make rules on who they will or won’t do business with? That’s all this Bill is looking to do. If a company wants to do business with the State of Missouri then they can’t economically boycott other companies in a handful of industries that Conservatives care about. If a company doesn’t do business with the State of Missouri then this law won’t apply.

Politically motivated rules controlling Government spending exist at all levels from Federal down through Municipal. Money is power and Politicians are always willing to flex.

lolcatnip,

Private companies have freedom of association. The government is not allowed to punish them for using it.

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

The government is not allowed to punish them for using it.

They shouldn’t but they do anyway and most people don’t care until it goes against their politics.

Milk_Sheikh,

“Let the free market will decide”

“No, not like that

Pratai,

So the party of small government strikes again…

thann,

Free speech is when the government punishes you for your opnion

reverendsteveii,

here goes that republican freedom again

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

So, I guess freedom of association is not a thing with the teabaggers.

And what about the FREEZED PEACH? I thought Space Karen and his fanbois wanted a “marketplace of ideas” and whatnot?

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