PlutoniumAcid,
@PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world avatar

America, you scare us. Sincerely, rest of the world.

You are otherwise so skilled in acute lead poisoning - maybe that could help, despite being drastically above the usual age bracket of the target demography?

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Fascism wins regardless our votes determine who is victimized by that fascism

MagicShel, (edited )

Fascism wins regardless

No. But for discussion purposes, I’ll pretend what democrats do is fascism.

our votes determine who is victimized by that fascism

Also no. Or just barely. If you’re a victim of the system, which party is elected is not going to have much impact on that. Because whomever is in charge, it’s the same people enforcing the system.

It takes a long time for the system to change. We couldn’t even prosecute most of Trump’s crimes in 4 years.

sharkfucker420, (edited )
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Tell that to every person the US has dronestriked. You’re focusing on Americans as the the only victims of its fascism and assuming that fascism is entirely an internal process affecting the people living under that regime. If Trump is elected the fascism might turn inwards, if Biden is elected it will continue to brutalize millions of lives we will never see.

Fascism wins for now, they just haven’t come for you yet

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Fascism is when a democracy uses drones? 🙄

Jaytreeman,

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. - Wikipedia

Please explain how the us isn't a fascist state.

CarbonIceDragon,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

I mean, because Joe Biden, for all his flaws, is not a dictator, for one thing.

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

You seem to have some strange and distorted ideas about what the US is like. Do you get most of your info about the US from social media?

We elect our leaders, they are not dictatorial. We have three branches of government with checks and balances on each other, the US is therefore not autocratic. We have freedom of assembly and freedom of speech, and do not forcibly suppress the opposition. Belief in a natural social hierarchy is not a universal American belief, nor is subordination of individual interests. If anything, we are often criticized for being too individualistic. We also do not have strong regimentation of society and the economy, which is less regulated than many other modern countries and we value individual expression. We are the country that invented burning man ffs.

Just because one of the guys running for office is in fact a fascist, does not make the US a fascist state. If he wins and changes our system around to retain power, well then perhaps you might have a point.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

our leaders are chosen for us by capitalists and bureaucrats.

the system of checks and balances is fundamentally broken since congress has been abdicating power to the executive for over a hundred years. no one stopped lincoln or even got an injunction to stop him from burning georgia. the supreme court is not granted the power of judicial review under the law, though they have assumed it for themselves. that's fine, since tehy don't actually have any power of enforcement anyway, so their "checks and balances" are nothing more than rhetoric.

given the concentration of power in the executive, and the fact that it is well-known that lobbyists control many of the decisions made by both the legislators and the regulatory agencies they have created under the executive branch, it is clear that capitalist interests have taken control of this system. further, with the advent of the military-industrial complex and the security/surveillance state, this control has taken on a sinister sybiosis in which the interests of the state are indistinguishable from the interests of the capitalist class, and so their policies are mutually reinforcing.

this is a technocratic fascism born from oligarchy. it is fascism, even if it's not the flavor that you've been vigilant against.

MagicShel,

This is a tortured argument that I don’t think I can engage with. Fascism is a system of government that has nothing to do with how we treat people not in America.

Which isn’t to condone or excuse any of it, but it’s not fascism.

sharkfucker420, (edited )
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

There’s some debate as to what is defined as fascist and what the term can be applied to.

Regardless I think the US fits the wiki definition damn well. I actually meant to use the phrase “fascism is imperialism turned inwards” which I feel would have expressed my point better but I couldn’t remember it

zaph,

You seem a bit confused on what fascism is. It’s not “anytime a government does something to hurt people” btw.

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

There’s some debate about how to define fascism and what the term can be used to describe

DogPeePoo, (edited )

So nobody’s votes will count.

People who stood in line for hours, maybe missing a day’s pay, just so they could vote, will be undermined by Republicans.

All because Donald Trump has always been a very shitty businessman —who owes Russia an insurmountable debt—and his party is being blackmailed.

FunderPants,

People are already having their votes undermined and disenfranchised by republicans, this is an escalation of the same things they’ve been doing for ages.

DogPeePoo,

Yes, they have seen the analytics and the models. Hence we have gerrymandering and removal of voting stations in Republican controlled areas.

Trump only won by electoral college gamesmanship— he has never won the popular vote and he never will. They can see all of this, hence the sudden pandering to black people and the stupid ham fisted gold sneaker approach.

George W. Bush also lost the popular vote to Gore and squeaked in because of fuckery— a tilted decision by Republicans and little “hanging chads”

The population is getting less and less white and it scares the shit out of Republicans. So their strategy, like a child losing at a board game, is to flip the board over mid game. They cheat and hope the population is too apathetic to do anything about it.

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