The problem with democrats in my view is they have a diverse constituency. You have your liberals, your socialist, democrat nationalist, progressives, and even conservative democrats that span different racial groups, classes, and cultures. You vote democrat for government help such as welfare, minimum wage, basically the cynic against corporations and the rich. Conservative democrats who believe in aggressive American foreign policy don’t resonate with young voters. You can tell Joe Biden tries to encourage American people to support the foreign policy, saying his foreign policy is every American’s foreign policy.
This looks more like evidence of red State governments becoming more red or rather, the wealthy interest groups trying harder to keep it red. I think the majority of Americans are not brainwashed conservatives. Churches are losing membership. Spirituality is falling, as well. With a proven economic gain from rational science based reasonings it’s a lot less likely there will be any regression unless society is destroyed. And I think, in the end, Republicans and conservative groups at large are just going to cheat to win. Consistently. They will rig votes and do all the things they accuse the Democrats of. Democrats really need to expose that for what it is. Give it the ol’ Conservative media spin like they do. Stop focusing on trump but keep talking about conservatives at large. Expose more churches and private schools and sensationalize the shit out of them.
Liberals rarely seem all that interested in state and local elections. Maybe liberals don’t feel connected to their state or to a community. I think liberals move around more than conservatives, maybe that has something to do with it. You’re less likely to be involved in local politics if you never put down roots anywhere.
I don’t think that’s true. As the article points out, during Obama’s first term the Republicans built their tea party movement at the state and local levels, while Democrats were primarily focused on Washington. As a result, a majority of state legislatures became Republican controlled, which, I believe, is still the case today.
Who could have imagined that doing what your base wants would bring in more donations than ordering your base to be happy while you do what the other party’s base wants.
I would suspect that Republicans see a lot of losers at the top of the ticket and want to start a fresh new crop. Politics start at the local level - something Democrats should work on.
The right doesn’t have a problem with people refusing to vote for right-wing politicians because they want to punish them for not being right-wing enough.
Meanwhile the far-left goes on and on about how voting is pointless and you’re a lib if you think voting can effect change, and then expect you to be insulted by that term
I think the far left is too perfectionist. They want some sort of mythical candidate that will check all the boxes and somehow still be electable in a general election, but that person isn’t coming. Meanwhile, the Right usually rallies the wagon around whichever sad sack-of-shit they’ve found. You’re not going to get who you want every time and you’re not going to get the change you want everytime. It’s about setting the conditions for that change to come that’s important, otherwise you’re just handing the initiative to the Right to make the change that they want.
Not wanting your candidate to arm a genocide is perfectionist?
It’s not productive to label everyone who thinks the masses should be empowered as “far left”. Unless you believe only the betters of humanity can make decisions and anyone getting the shaft should only grin and bare it.
I vote in every election, often over 6 in a year. I live in a red state so that means I’m voting for a candidate that barely agrees with me. How does that qualify for far left perfectionist?
Not accepting that the opposition will do more than arm the genocide is the problem here. On top of ALL the other shit he has already done, and promises to do.
You’ll risk losing American democracy over a single issue that is going to be FAR worse under the opposition.
Everthing said that you’re responding to is 100% true of the agenda you’ve hitched your wagon to. It’s manufactured outrage. And it’s childish.
I get that you have your propaganda you need to shill, but as everyone has already told you- Trump will do the same, and much worse additionally. You just refuse to acknowledge this because it’s not part of your programming.
If you have all the information, educate me. I have a hard time understanding people who don’t dispute their is a genocide in Gaza, yet they still vote shame anti genocide voters.
Do you believe Biden and Israel is committing a full on genocide in Gaza but trump will start genocides in other places so it’s better to vote Biden?
Or do you believe what Biden and Israel are doing is relatively minor and would be much worse under a trump presidency?
I believe Israel is- absolutely. However, I believe… no, I KNOW- that they’d be doing it without Biden being involved in any way. In fact, they’re so stockpiled that they’re barely using what Biden is sending.
And directly accusing Biden of genocide is about as ignorant as one can be on the subject. He has no authority to commit genocide in a country he’s not at war with, or has any ability to dictate such actions as a proxy on behalf of another country. Your manufactured outrage and goalpost moving is not something that the majority of people stand behind.
Again- The atrocities carried out by Israel is not something that wouldn’t be happening if America had nothing to do with it. But I’m sure you know this already- it just stands in the way of your agenda.
OK, just to clarify, you believe Biden has no leavage to stop Israel and they aren’t reliant on the tens of billions in weapons aid or the diplomatic help we gift them?
It’s pretty well known and documented fact. It’s not a belief. It’s just…. Reality.
Biden doesn’t call the shots in Israel. I’m not sure if anyone told you, but he’s the president of the United States ONLY.
I know you’ve been told this isn’t the case, and that cognitive dissonance will stand in the way of you accepting this, but reality doesn’t really care how you feel about it.
I don’t necessarily disagree with that. I would hope Biden has leverage, Israel is a client state after all. But it’s also true that the Israeli government is fiercely independent as you said earlier.
If the US weapon shipements don’t matter to Israel, Biden should hold shipments while he investigates crimes of genocide. He should also withhold diplomatic cover. That will help Biden at home, he can better show he’s trying to stop the genocide. And it may even get the far RW government ruling over Israel voted out of office. Biden is the best candidate in 2024, but I believe he can only win if he proves he’s doing everything to help the ME stay out of war. And what he has been doing isn’t enough IMO.
Fair enough. But my original point is that people are so committed to this single issue to push Biden to do the right thing that they’re withholding their vote and suggesting others do so- while wholeheartedly acknowledging that it would be exponentially worse under Trump.
This is why so many people think they’re right-wing propaganda trolls. Because with what we know about what Trump has done, and promises to do- how could anyone suggest not voting as an option?
I think the difference between us, you’d rather blame voters and I’d rather blame leaders. I used to blame voters as well until I realized very online people, who engage in politics, live in a different reality from average voters. And very online people are a tiny minority of voters. Most voters hate spending time learning about politics. If you don’t believe me, do phone banking, talk to normal voters.
So when I’m say things like Joe Biden is risking this election being complicit with genocide, I’m not predicting how very online people are going to vote. I’m saying average voters seeing a horrible genocide, seeing the world on fire, are going to be less likely to vote for the one currently in the oval office.
No, the difference between us is that I don’t think sacrificing our democracy because the chosen candidate doesn’t do EXACTLY what I want them to is a good idea.
In fact, it’s a selfish and very fucking stupid idea that is going to hurt A LOT of people.
What am I sacrificing brother? I am one voter in a solid red state. My vote, like most Americans, doesn’t matter in the Electoral College. Why are you mad at me?
You lost the plot, telling voters they can’t criticize a president while you sanctimoniously claim you are saving democracy. You really don’t see the problem with that?
Show me where I said they can’t criticize him and we can continue this discussion- otherwise, we’re done here.
Because I think I’ve been very clear that I’m talking about the idiot that are acting like spoiled little children by not voting at all and suggesting others don’t as well.
how about you stay out of a discussion with people who believe their votes DO matter?
You just told me I can’t criticize. Also the Electoral College absolutely disenfranchises most voters, I can’t believe I’m arguing with a fellow Biden voter that it doesn’t.
Continue blaming voters for Biden lackluster re-election campaign. If he continues this and loses, I’m sure the history books will give Joe a pass and blame all those voters he’s failing to enthuse.
Why would I tell you I don’t vote? I’ve voted in over 25 elections in the last 8 years, nearly every election I qualify for.
I encourage people to vote all the time. I’m just pointing out some Biden voters are going to leave the presidential race blank in 2024 because Biden supports genocide. And that’s Biden own damn fault.
I think centrists consider any criticism to be perfectionism and expect perfect lockstep behind the candidates that centrists consider perfect already.
This is not something you watch to “get informed”. It is a video opinion essay, and if your primary source of information is opinion videos, that’s deeply concerning. Do not tell people to “get informed” and then link a video where someone just talks about their opinion.
Nonetheless, I’ve watched this video and I agree with most of what it says. What I don’t agree with is that participating in the current electoral system is fruitless. There are such things as primary elections. Right-wing voters have no problem exercising their political will in primary elections, pushing their party further right.
I do not profess that voting Democratic is the ultimate solution to our problems. In fact, my views are very similar to those professed in that video. But what I am saying is that people who tell others that “liberalism won’t solve anything” or that merely voting in the general election isn’t the solution without in the same breath describing what should be done instead are far more damaging than someone who does just vote in a general election and does nothing else.
One thing that helped me is realizing that Americans are mostly stupid, and they have more votes than me, so they’re gonna make stupid decisions and there’s nothing I can do about it.
Accepting the reality of America’s shithole nature helped me stop thinking we could be better or, as you say, a “perfectionist.”
Because it was never supposed to be about raising money, it was supposed to be about answering the call and running for office in your community to directly impact change, but unfortunately nobody wants to do the work and take on the responsibility of running and holding offices.
And of course to be clear, I say this as somebody who also hasn’t answered the call, but nonetheless I feel like we keep forgetting that Bernie was telling all of our to be the architects of our own political destinies
Because it was never supposed to be about raising money, it was supposed to be about answering the call and running for office in your community to directly impact change, but unfortunately nobody wants to do the work and take on the responsibility of running and holding offices.
I don’t/ can’t entirely agree with that, primarily because what Bernie was doing was working. Progressives were running and winning nationally, largely supported by the apparatus that Bernie had built starting in 2014. More progressives landed state and local positions nationallly through out that time period, and still, because of Bernies leadership and vision that went beyond himself. In terms of seats, Progressive candidates were competitive with the rates at which more rightwing candidates were winning. From 2014-2022, and still, mainstream (read: neolib & neocon corporatism) were getting eaten from the left and the right. The difference is that when the Republicans noticed this happening, they rallied and used it to fight the left and used it to defeat the Democrats. When the Democrats noticed it, they also rallied and fought the left to the defeat the Democrats.
The biggest threat to progressive populism/ social democracy in this country has never been the Republicans or right. The biggest threat has always been the Democrats, as gate-keepers of the party apparatus and access to national elections. The Democrats preferred a Trump presidency in 2016 over a running popular leftwing candidate. The Democratic party is more invested in the maintenance of the status quo than it is the will of its voting base. To the Democrats, their voters are an inconvenience they occasionally have to service. Seeing as the Democrats are working to lose another election right now with their insistence on running rightwing candidates that don’t appeal broadly to their base, it might be time to start worrying about the next fight. Because unless something drastically changes, the DNC has thrown yet another election.
But about that next fight… Bernie gave us the blueprint. He’s shown us how to run successful leftwing campaigns at all levels of government. I’m going to run eventually. Maybe just for dogcatcher, but something. Probably not next cycle but maybe the one after that. I wont be running as a Democrat. I’ll be running as an independent but I can assure you my platform will be left af. And just like Bernie, I’m going to speak directly to issues people are experiencing in their every day god damned lives.
*when I say Democrats, I mean party leadership Democrats/ figurehead Democrats, not Democratic voters.
I think the biggest flaw with Bernie is he turns into a cheerleader for the democratic nominee after he loses the primaries. He did it for Hillary and he does it with Biden. I understand he is doing it because he thinks trump would be worse, but at the same time it kinda hurts the progressive movement and messaging. It feels like we are giving up our progressive goals just to elect Biden, or else suffer an even worse option. It kills the enthusiasm when both the options suck and it feels inevitable that the one we actually want will lose or has lost already.
Don’t get me wrong tho I love Bernie, but this is my biggest gripe with him.
I mean he tucked his head down and got to work. I think he does recognize the kind of existential thread Trump represents to even being able to fix the system.
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