@squig Also, I’m not gonna lie, I was mostly mocking the sentiment because it’s complete bullshit.
Even young children, while they may not understand exact words, they understand tone. I have example of example of example from my own life. Now whether they’re listening to you or not, that’s a different question.
The idea that you have to inflict pain for someone to learn, is rubbish. (See my later. Comment about shitty BDSM manuals)