LALegault,
@LALegault@newsie.social avatar

Joe Biden deserves to lose for overseeing the slaughter of children. That doesn’t mean Trump deserves to win. It means your standards are now so low you are going to defend the man who allowed a live-streamed genocide to happen, and continues to. You have no idea what is waiting for you in 2024:

Polling:

Pollster explains how Biden will lose 2024

elsantonegro,
@elsantonegro@masto.ai avatar

@LALegault What people don't get is that this isn't about voting for someone else. This issue has affected people so viscerally that they don't care about Trump. They care about the person that is enabling this, which is Joe Biden. And while his handling of the the war is helping him with Jewish voters, it is sinking his standing with Arab-Americans in places where it counts, like Dearborn, MI. Not to mention how it is going to depress the youth vote. Vote shaming will have no effect on this!

LALegault,
@LALegault@newsie.social avatar

@elsantonegro

The DNC is as broken as the GOP.

Mary625,
@Mary625@mstdn.social avatar

@LALegault

I'm pro PEACE. We don't get that with anyone currently running except Cornel West

LALegault,
@LALegault@newsie.social avatar

@Mary625

Unfortunately he has no chance.

The Democrats have to get it together. Biden’s Israel policy will sink them in 2024.

violetmadder,
@violetmadder@kolektiva.social avatar

@LALegault @Mary625

Every time people say a third party candidate has no chance, they are helping make it come true.

What people need to understand is that the Democrats don't mind losing. They'll throw the match like a paid-off boxer, because they're helping the establishment use Republicans as a weapon to terrorize us and keep us in line. We are being punished for wanting Bernie and speaking out against DNC corruption.

LALegault,
@LALegault@newsie.social avatar

@violetmadder @Mary625

I understand your point but it is not like the Canadian syestem, you have a 2-party system…. It is just math.

violetmadder,
@violetmadder@kolektiva.social avatar

@LALegault @Mary625

The two-party system, itself, is an anti-democratic trap. Controlled opposition. A theatrical illusion of "choice" as scripted as pro wrestling.

RichPuchalsky,
@RichPuchalsky@kolektiva.social avatar

@violetmadder @LALegault @Mary625

European countries with multi-party systems are just as close to fascism as the US is, or even closer.

TomSwirly,
@TomSwirly@toot.community avatar

@RichPuchalsky @violetmadder @LALegault @Mary625 Skeptical.

I don't remember any EU country having one party attempt a coup after an election didn't go their way.

passenger,
@passenger@kolektiva.social avatar

@TomSwirly @RichPuchalsky @violetmadder @LALegault @Mary625

I'm braced for it to happen in Hungary if Orban ever loses power.

hfinyow,
@hfinyow@mstdn.ca avatar

@violetmadder @LALegault @Mary625 if you have a multi-party system, you need to get rid of FPTP voting. In Canada, Conservatives have succeeded in winning elections by creating a vote split on the left. They will even pay media to pump up the smaller left parties (i.e. NDP or Green) so long as they attack the larger left party (i.e. the Liberals). This is why in Ontario, we got Doug Ford. That and a media that told us "nothing to see here, ignore this election"

violetmadder,
@violetmadder@kolektiva.social avatar

@hfinyow @LALegault @Mary625

Exactly.

When I saw the DNC putting more effort into getting 3rd parties OFF the ballot than they would to get any kind of ranked choice voting ON the ballot, that's when I knew they weren't making any kind of effort in good faith to defend democracy. The left values diversity of thought, and requires a system that can welcome different groups together-- the spoiler effect is a weapon of conservatism, silencing dissent instead of cultivating progress. FPTP voting will always devolve into Evil vs Diet Evil.

It takes somewhat different tactics to control a parliamentary system or systems with different voting methods, but across the board all democracies everywhere are under attack, undermined by the money and power wielded by corporate feudalism. The crises of climate change and worsening inequality are being exploited by fascists who use fear to push authoritarian policies. I see the same patterns unfolding in many different nations.

zakalwe,
@zakalwe@plasmatrap.com avatar

@violetmadder @hfinyow @LALegault @Mary625 A vote for the lesser evil is still a vote for evil. As long as parties can keep you "strategically" — which is to say, blinkeredly — voting for "the lesser evil", all they have to do is be the SECOND WORST choice on the ballot.

hfinyow,
@hfinyow@mstdn.ca avatar

@zakalwe @violetmadder @LALegault @Mary625 but if you don't vote, you get Donald Trump, or in Canada's case, Pierre Poilievre.

violetmadder,
@violetmadder@kolektiva.social avatar

@hfinyow @zakalwe @LALegault @Mary625

We need to spend a lot more time and energy blaming the people who SET UP this trap and forced us into this unbearable position in the first place, and less helping the establishment suppress the people who dare point out how fucked up it all is.

Alarod_123,

@violetmadder The only problem with third parties in this election is that they will most likely tilt the election to Trump. How about trying them when they stakes aren’t so high? The only thing Ralph Nader accomplished in that other election was giving George W. Bush a second term. What good was that?

violetmadder, (edited )
@violetmadder@kolektiva.social avatar

@Alarod_123

Bullshit.

Scapegoating 3rd party voters is voter suppression. Florida's shenanigans and the electoral college gave that election to Bush, NOT Nader.

Alarod_123,

@violetmadder Well, Robe4t Kennedy Jr. is running this time if you want an alternative.

violetmadder,
@violetmadder@kolektiva.social avatar

@Alarod_123

No thank you.

I'd much rather stand with Cornel West.

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