@gruber what were you doing in this photo because every photo i see of people using this headset has them looking like they’re seeing boobs for the first time
@jenn Just moving windows around, if I recall correctly. Pretty sure I was way more excited the first time I saw boobs. (No photos alas, so you'll have to take my word.)
@gruber Thank you. Not so much double vision, more like I can only “look” or focus through one eye at a time, switching between them fairly rapidly. It produces a slight squint in the “inactive” eye. Corrective lenses might dampen the effect: my prescription is within ZEISS’s acceptable range.
I’ve never tried on a AR headset before, but Vision Pro is the first headset with its heightened level of eye tracking that gives me pause.
@gruber Any idea whether it will have a “guest mode" for letting other people try out the device?
I will be really sad if I can't easily let friends and family try out the Vision Pro experience. No, it won't fit their faces perfectly; but that's ok for a quick test drive. With retina-based locking, I worry that I would have to reset the whole system in order to let someone else use it.
@gruber@bbbruce That's too bad. I have a vague memory from long (very long!) ago that some PowerBooks could survive in sleep mode without a battery for about a minute, in order to swap batteries.
You've wrote about this recently: "spatial video" (as opposed to "immersive video") is literally just stereoscopic video, is it not? Depth is captured by the camera, but you can't arbitrarily move around it like you're in a video game or anything.
Doesn't that make this shot from the keynote seem particularly misleading? It strikes me as worse than the Apple Silicon performance graph stuff.
Because the home video's perspective apparently swivels a full 45 degrees in parallel with the presentation camera's perspective, the shot seemed to have been designed to illustrate that the depicted user could view the home video from other angles if he changed position in the room. (As though the video was some kind of evolved Lytro capture capable of allowing for that.)
@gruber if you’re looking at, say, Daring Fireball in a web browser, how crisp is the text compared to looking at the same page on a 4K display on your desk?
@benbuschmann I can't say with certainly but I'd be shocked if not. People's eyes change, lens will get lost, people will resell hardware. So of course they'll sell lenses separately. Like selling watch bands.
@clith Apple announced last week that each Vision Pro comes with both a Solo Knit Band and a Dual Loop Band. I found the Solo Knit comfortable (as I have previously) so didn't want to waste my limited demo time with strap swapping.
@gruber All the demos show people sitting up, looking uncomfortable. Did you try lying down? If I was watching a movie, I wouldn’t sit on a sofa, I would lie down in a comfortable position. This could have an effect on the perception of weight of the device.
@mcelhearn I did not try lying down, if only because it'd feel like a weird thing to do in a room with Apple marketing and PR reps. And I'd never put my shoes on their couch, etc. It's certainly a reasonable use case though!
@gruber I have no doubts the Vision Pro will provide an incredible movie watching experience. Visually.
What about the audio, though? Cinephiles care about audio just as much as visuals and usually have multi speaker, Dolby Atmos, setups at home. Can the speaker in the Vision Pro compete with that?
If not will Apple let you airplay the Dolby Atmos mix to your home theater setup instead of using the onboard speaker?
@eierund I will try to find out about AirPlay, but for personal use, you'll want AirPods Pro or Max I think. The speakers are good, but they're not magic.
@gruber awesome! AirPods Pro (and even Max) just won’t be a match for a proper Dolby Atmos speaker setup. So at least from an audio perspective watching movies on Vision Pro could be a downgrade for cinephiles.
Dune without a hearty subwoofer just isn’t Dune.
Hopefully Apple has considered that and will let users output audio to AppleTV. 🤞🏻
@gruber In PSVR2, it’s always a hassle to try and adjust headset position (up-down, distance between the eyes) so that there’s no moire (I guess? When white pixels start kind of “splitting” into colored components)
Is that an issue at all with AVP?
@gruber Thanks! So I take it there’s no pretty narrow - like it is with PSVR2, if you ever tried it on - “sweet spot” in terms of the headset position alignment to make the image crisp. What I mean is PSVR2 can be and is sufficiently crisp (non-retina, of course), as long as it is aligned on your face in that sweet spot.
Feels like I’m trying to figure out the device asking questions that just don’t apply to its tech level though 🤔 As in figuring flat panel LCDs in terms of tube CRTs. IDK 🤷♂️
@gruber Are third-party Environments (like the Mos Eisley one you watched the Star Wars trailer in) available outside of the app they come with? For example, could I watch Ted Lasso (or browse Safari) on Tatooine, or is it limited to the Disney+ app?
@imanrastegari It's a little confusing, perhaps. The VisionOS system has immersive environments made by Apple. When using those environments you can open multiple apps in windows alongside each other in that environment. You twist the crown button to dial in/out how immersive those are.
The Disney+ ones are only inside the Disney+ app, and thus only available while watching Disney+ content. Think of it like a full-screen mode for Disney+, as opposed to "in a window” mode.
@gruber Gotcha, thanks for explaining. I was hoping that apps could make their custom environments available on the system level (kind of like third-party keyboards or other extensions on iOS), or even allow users to import their own (i.e. the spatial equivalent of setting a custom wallpaper). Hopefully that comes in the future!
@christianmlong I wear prescription lenses such that my left eye sees 20/20, but my right eye is purposely blurry, because my right macula was damaged after a retina detachment a few years ago, and distorts my vision. Using Vision Pro I see as well as I do in real life or using a screen-based device.
(Took me a few weeks but my brain adjusted great to seeing sharp only in one eye.)
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